Brandon Aiyuk is a Quitter! Pick #25, 2020 NFL Draft

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
lol no one is saying that

Why are you acting as if this is life or death. You can't pay everyone the highest at their position, especially at the same position.

Are you not reading? Literally folks just said that.

when people say you shouldn't pay WRs and the passing game isn't that big of a deal…I then ask why should you pay the QB? Why do all those same folks b***h about the QB having no one to throw the ball to?

BA wouldn't be the highest paid WR at his position. Ya'll got your head in the sand not realizing that Deebo/kittle are basically on the last yr of their deals and always hurt/getting old. Legit next yr could be Ricky/jennings as their two main WRs and that's ridiculous, given what they have currently.

Brock and BA SHOULD be the future of this team.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
lol no one is saying that

Why are you acting as if this is life or death. You can't pay everyone the highest at their position, especially at the same position.

Are you not reading? Literally folks just said that.

when people say you shouldn't pay WRs and the passing game isn't that big of a deal…I then ask why should you pay the QB? Why do all those same folks b***h about the QB having no one to throw the ball to?

BA wouldn't be the highest paid WR at his position. Ya'll got your head in the sand not realizing that Deebo/kittle are basically on the last yr of their deals and always hurt/getting old. Legit next yr could be Ricky/jennings as their two main WRs and that's ridiculous, given what they have currently.

Brock and BA SHOULD be the future of this team.

We agree, and if we can get BA for little more than $26m, we should. And if we have to pay Brock close to $65m, we should. He's the decision maker that is just about unparalleled.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Because it's 2024 not 1985 where they avg like 300 passing attempts a yr. It's a passing league now. Teams are throwing it twice as much.

In this passing league WE are still a run first team and last in the NFL for passing attempts.

Then why are WE gonna make Brock the highest paid player in the NFL? Why does everyone make excuses all the time for our QBs or others about them having no one to throw the ball too?

why do we all b***h about SF drafting RBs high knowing we get more than fine production from late rd guys?

ya'll can't have it both ways. According to your logic WE should have never paid guys like Deebo/kittle and Trent massive deals since passing doesn't matter.

lol don't lump me into an argument that you are having with someone else. Did I say anything that isn't true?

You guessing on Brock, that hasn't happened yet. A lot can change in a year. Put me down as someone who does not believe WE will make Brock the highest paid in the NFL nor do I think he's the type that will "Aiyuk" for it.

The bold is completely irrelevant and actually supports my argument of being run first.

What I stated isn't logic. That's the problem of you quoting what I said and lumping me in with another argument. Guys like Deebo/Kittle/Trent got paid for their contributions to both pass and the run game, wrong guys to choose there and a stupid thing to post lol

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Well you're feisty today with a lot of Straw Man arguments. It helps to to address what people actually say instead of your interpretations of that.

I'm saying if you think we should be a 50/50 team like Bill was, why pay a QB $200M+?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Well you're feisty today with a lot of Straw Man arguments. It helps to to address what people actually say instead of your interpretations of that.

I'm saying if you think we should be a 50/50 team like Bill was, why pay a QB $200M+?

I agree but that's the market. If the 9ers could get Purdy to sign for less they would do it in a heartbeat.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
lol no one is saying that

Why are you acting as if this is life or death. You can't pay everyone the highest at their position, especially at the same position.

Are you not reading? Literally folks just said that.

when people say you shouldn't pay WRs and the passing game isn't that big of a deal…I then ask why should you pay the QB? Why do all those same folks b***h about the QB having no one to throw the ball to?

BA wouldn't be the highest paid WR at his position. Ya'll got your head in the sand not realizing that Deebo/kittle are basically on the last yr of their deals and always hurt/getting old. Legit next yr could be Ricky/jennings as their two main WRs and that's ridiculous, given what they have currently.

Brock and BA SHOULD be the future of this team.

NY, I agree that Brock and Aiyuk should be the future. But I also agree that the cap requires the team to prioritize certain players/positions over others - WR should not be one of those positions because of Brock. If Brock is a true franchise QB, which I believe he is (this year will provide needed data on this topic as well), moving forward Brock is going to have to do more with less. This is just the reality of today's NFL. I think Brock's skillset (accuracy, delivering the ball on time, working in the offense) can translate to less talented WRs. Given the reports earlier this year about considering trading Deebo or Aiyuk, the team seems to believe its unable to pay both. I also think the assumption that Deebo will be gone after the year, or that Shanny would choose Aiyuk over Deebo is not necessarily true. I think the team would have liked to make this decision next year, but Aiyuk has forced their hand. They cannot now make bad emotional decisions to either overpay Aiyuk or trade him for trash. Paying Aiyuk what he wants at the risk of the next 2-3 years would also be a bad business decision. They have to balance the now versus the later.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
lol don't lump me into an argument that you are having with someone else. Did I say anything that isn't true?

You guessing on Brock, that hasn't happened yet. A lot can change in a year. Put me down as someone who does not believe WE will make Brock the highest paid in the NFL nor do I think he's the type that will "Aiyuk" for it.

The bold is completely irrelevant and actually supports my argument of being run first.

What I stated isn't logic. That's the problem of you quoting what I said and lumping me in with another argument. Guys like Deebo/Kittle/Trent got paid for their contributions to both pass and the run game, wrong guys to choose there and a stupid thing to post lol

So BA doesn't contribute to the run game lol?

SF is clearly not guessing on Brock. They're setting up their cap to get him paid. Unless he falls off a cliff he's gonna be one of if not the highest paid player in the NFL when he makes his deal. That's how it works at QB….so you believe that because we don't throw it more, Brock won't be paid as much?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
lol don't lump me into an argument that you are having with someone else. Did I say anything that isn't true?

You guessing on Brock, that hasn't happened yet. A lot can change in a year. Put me down as someone who does not believe WE will make Brock the highest paid in the NFL nor do I think he's the type that will "Aiyuk" for it.

The bold is completely irrelevant and actually supports my argument of being run first.

What I stated isn't logic. That's the problem of you quoting what I said and lumping me in with another argument. Guys like Deebo/Kittle/Trent got paid for their contributions to both pass and the run game, wrong guys to choose there and a stupid thing to post lol

So BA doesn't contribute to the run game lol?

SF is clearly not guessing on Brock. They're setting up their cap to get him paid. Unless he falls off a cliff he's gonna be one of if not the highest paid player in the NFL when he makes his deal. That's how it works at QB….so you believe that because we don't throw it more, Brock won't be paid as much?

Brock is getting paid and Shanny will still be a run first team.

Originally posted by SD49er:
NY, I agree that Brock and Aiyuk should be the future. But I also agree that the cap requires the team to prioritize certain players/positions over others - WR should not be one of those positions because of Brock. If Brock is a true franchise QB, which I believe he is (this year will provide needed data on this topic as well), moving forward Brock is going to have to do more with less. This is just the reality of today's NFL. I think Brock's skillset (accuracy, delivering the ball on time, working in the offense) can translate to less talented WRs. Given the reports earlier this year about considering trading Deebo or Aiyuk, the team seems to believe its unable to pay both. I also think the assumption that Deebo will be gone after the year, or that Shanny would choose Aiyuk over Deebo is not necessarily true. I think the team would have liked to make this decision next year, but Aiyuk has forced their hand. They cannot now make bad emotional decisions to either overpay Aiyuk or trade him for trash. Paying Aiyuk what he wants at the risk of the next 2-3 years would also be a bad business decision. They have to balance the now versus the later.

Brock has a WR that creates separation, wins vs man (consistently) within timing of the play, has great hands, great YAC/Y/R etc.

I think Brock is a good QB. I don't think he's a mahomes level QB that doesn't need good WRs to make plays.

So you believe Brock will be better this yr even with BA gone?

Originally posted by SD49er:
Brock is getting paid and Shanny will still be a run first team.

And you think he should be the highest paid QB in the league or one of (because he will be) even though they throw the ball the least amount in the league? Sounds like a bad allocation of money that greatly reduces what you can do with the rest of the roster.

Originally posted by titan:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by titan:
The way Aiyuk handled this seems like he will be gone. It sounds like he already had intel on how much they are willing to pay him making it easier to act like a little brat during negotiations with us.

To me it sounds like they were some tampering. It might be hard to prove, but Aiyuks confidence and actions leads me to believe he has an offer.

Thing is he could have an offer that is willing to pay him $50 million per year. The 49ers are under no obligation to trade him.

Right. But now he can act like a fool cause he knows there's a moneybag waiting for him if he can just get out of our contract.

But he can't get out of his contract. It comes down to play or sit out and lose what money you're due, plus they can tag him for two years cheaper than what he's asking for. He has ZERO leverage in this situation.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Are you not reading? Literally folks just said that.

when people say you shouldn't pay WRs and the passing game isn't that big of a deal…I then ask why should you pay the QB? Why do all those same folks b***h about the QB having no one to throw the ball to?

BA wouldn't be the highest paid WR at his position. Ya'll got your head in the sand not realizing that Deebo/kittle are basically on the last yr of their deals and always hurt/getting old. Legit next yr could be Ricky/jennings as their two main WRs and that's ridiculous, given what they have currently.

Brock and BA SHOULD be the future of this team.

You pay QBs to execute the offense and not miss open guys. Pay them to limit turnovers and make positive plays. You can win with an average top 15ish QB with no all pro WRs. You can't win with a bad QB and all pro WRs

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Well you're feisty today with a lot of Straw Man arguments. It helps to to address what people actually say instead of your interpretations of that.

I'm saying if you think we should be a 50/50 team like Bill was, why pay a QB $200M+?

Originally posted by BOI49er:
We agree, and if we can get BA for little more than $26m, we should. And if we have to pay Brock close to $65m, we should. He's the decision maker that is just about unparalleled.

Once again, please address what people actually say. I never said we should be a 50/50 team. I said defenses can stop any thing, but not everything, so you need to be able to do it all. That means you have to be able to be balanced, but 50/50 is not the goal. And yes, that dead guy Walsh did say that you pass to gain a lead, and run to put it away, and that points come out of the passing game, and he didn't equate a passing game with just wide outs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SD49er:
Brock is getting paid and Shanny will still be a run first team.

And you think he should be the highest paid QB in the league or one of (because he will be) even though they throw the ball the least amount in the league? Sounds like a bad allocation of money that greatly reduces what you can do with the rest of the roster.

Sseems like they built a great roster and know how and where to allocate money. They sure have a better idea than you or I, but you seem to think you know where they should allocate money because you have ran a successful franchise before?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
lol no one is saying that

Why are you acting as if this is life or death. You can't pay everyone the highest at their position, especially at the same position.

Are you not reading? Literally folks just said that.

when people say you shouldn't pay WRs and the passing game isn't that big of a deal…I then ask why should you pay the QB? Why do all those same folks b***h about the QB having no one to throw the ball to?

BA wouldn't be the highest paid WR at his position. Ya'll got your head in the sand not realizing that Deebo/kittle are basically on the last yr of their deals and always hurt/getting old. Legit next yr could be Ricky/jennings as their two main WRs and that's ridiculous, given what they have currently.

Brock and BA SHOULD be the future of this team.

No one is saying we shouldn't pay wrs, it's we shouldn't overpay BA at this point.

you wanna overpay BA, then yeah.. all you gonna have is BA and Purdy in the future lol