Brandon Aiyuk is a Quitter! Pick #25, 2020 NFL Draft

Trying to understand all the intricacies of NFL rules and player contracts is really tough. There are so many little details that often don't get mentioned in public very often. Just let them work it out. He's gone no matter how they do it and they'll take a financial hit.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
It really isn't complicated. Broadly speaking, we're going to take a ~ 30 million dollar dead cap hit when he's released, and that isn't changing with the possible exception that he retires.

The left squad list doesn't carry over from year to year. The team cannot choose to place Aiyuk on the list independent of Aiyuk reporting and it's not in the 49ers interest to push the cap hit into the future.

This is unprecedented and I will watch and see because a precedent will be set

Stuff like this just doesn't happen. By now a player would've spoken out about what happened and how he was wronged. His silence in this matter just goes to show that he really is the guilty one here.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Trying to understand all the intricacies of NFL rules and player contracts is really tough. There are so many little details that often don't get mentioned in public very often. Just let them work it out. He's gone no matter how they do it and they'll take a financial hit.

Oddly enough...not the 1st time a 49er has cost himself guaranteed money by failing to understand his contract and show up at the facility for items.

CB Tarell Brown didn't show up for offseason workouts and lost 2 million...and was PISSED when it happened. He fired his agent immediately over it.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/9510573/san-francisco-49ers-tarell-brown-loses-2m-skipped-workout

Originally posted by frenchmov:
As is your prerogative to both sides an issue for the sake of saying "but what if????" instead of looking at what is there in front of you.

When the specifics aren't known, everyone is 'what iffing' to fill the void created by the unknown information. This thread is filled with it.

It's speculation. It helps when it's grounded in facts. You have posted inaccurate, known, information as I've attempted to show you here.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
When the specifics aren't known, everyone is 'what iffing' to fill the void created by the unknown information. This thread is filled with it.

It's speculation. It helps when it's grounded in facts. You have posted inaccurate, known, information as I've attempted to show you here.

And as I've pointed out, if your expectation to have an opinion which isn't "speculation" on any given situation is that you literally have every undisputed fact A-Z you will have no opinion because you can always say "what if this".

I've already pointed out a very easy way to connect the dots. Your response is "yeah, well, you don't know that for sure." Which is up to you but you'll just continually land off in any situation with "well what if this though".

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
As is your prerogative to both sides an issue for the sake of saying "but what if????" instead of looking at what is there in front of you.

When the specifics aren't known, everyone is 'what iffing' to fill the void created by the unknown information. This thread is filled with it.

It's speculation. It helps when it's grounded in facts. You have posted inaccurate, known, information as I've attempted to show you here.

$50M for 25 catches. In hindsight this was a bad deal for us on a player that held out throughout training camp and a good deal for BA. Going forward we can't reward players early that hold out beyond the start of training camp unless they report to work and then PROVE to us they're in playing shape to give us what they want us to pay them for

This was a failing on our part but if I were GM I'd make it known and stand on that going forward no matter who the player is

You want to avoid playing on the last year of your deal then get in line early the preceding offseason and negotiate like hell prior to the start of training camp or else no negotiations until you've shown up and proved it. We should not budge because we've shown we can get 13 wins without a multitude of stars so if you want to be a part of this team you've got to meet us halfway

Originally posted by frenchmov:
And as I've pointed out, if your expectation to have an opinion which isn't "speculation" on any given situation is that you literally have every undisputed fact A-Z you will have no opinion because you can always say "what if this".

I've already pointed out a very easy way to connect the dots. Your response is "yeah, well, you don't know that for sure." Which is up to you but you'll just continually land off in any situation with "well what if this though".

No, my response isn't 'yea well you don't know that for sure'. My response to you is that you don't have an accurate understanding of the known information, which is the basis of your opinion.

I'm skeptical of the team's public posture here based on the known facts. It's not surprising to me that you aren't open to the skepticism given the misunderstanding of the facts you've demonstrated in this conversation.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
$50M for 25 catches. In hindsight this was a bad deal for us on a player that held out throughout training camp and a good deal for BA. Going forward we can't reward players early that hold out beyond the start of training camp unless they report to work and then PROVE to us they're in playing shape to give us what they want us to pay them for

This was a failing on our part but if I were GM I'd make it known and stand on that going forward no matter who the player is

You want to avoid playing on the last year of your deal then get in line early the preceding offseason and negotiate like hell prior to the start of training camp or else no negotiations until you've shown up and proved it. We should not budge because we've shown we can get 13 wins without a multitude of stars so if you want to be a part of this team you've got to meet us halfway

It was a disaster of a contract primarily because of his injury.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
It really isn't complicated. Broadly speaking, we're going to take a ~ 30 million dollar dead cap hit when he's released, and that isn't changing with the possible exception that he retires.

The left squad list doesn't carry over from year to year. The team cannot choose to place Aiyuk on the list independent of Aiyuk reporting and it's not in the 49ers interest to push the cap hit into the future.

This is unprecedented and I will watch and see because a precedent will be set

Stuff like this just doesn't happen. By now a player would've spoken out about what happened and how he was wronged. His silence in this matter just goes to show that he really is the guilty one here.

Have anyone of yall ever been part of a breakup where you're just happy to get the hell out of there? So much so you let the person you're breaking up with think THEY are the one doing the dumping?

I'm not saying this is exactly what is happening with Aiyuk and the team.. but sometimes it's just better to shut up and move on. Being excited for what is ahead.. maybe having a chip on your shoulder that brings out the best in you.

By Aiyuk not bashing the team/FO yet, it puts him in the best situation signing with a new team. Best situation, coming from his current awkward situation. Maybe he'll finally speak on it during one of the Sunday countdown shows.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Have anyone of yall ever been part of a breakup where you're just happy to get the hell out of there? So much so you let the person you're breaking up with think THEY are the one doing the dumping?

I'm not saying this is exactly what is happening with Aiyuk and the team.. but sometimes it's just better to shut up and move on. Being excited for what is ahead.. maybe having a chip on your shoulder that brings out the best in you.

By Aiyuk not bashing the team/FO yet, it puts him in the best situation signing with a new team. Best situation, coming from his current awkward situation. Maybe he'll finally speak on it during one of the Sunday countdown shows.

There's no benefit for Aiyuk to get into a public blame game with the team. It's counterproductive to his interests, especially if he plans to continue with his career.

It's worth noting that both sides kept this situation hidden from the public until the 49ers leaked it to Michael Silver and Diana Russini in November.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
No, my response isn't 'yea well you don't know that for sure'. My response to you is that you don't have an accurate understanding of the known information, which is the basis of your opinion.

I'm skeptical of the team's public posture here based on the known facts. It's not surprising to me that you aren't open to the skepticism given the misunderstanding of the facts you've demonstrated in this conversation.

You are saying "well what if" though. "What if the 49ers just voided his deal for something really minor!"

Here is what we know:

1. Aiyuk did not practice once in mini camp, training camp, preseason or regular season.
2. The 49ers voided Aiyuks contract guarantees in July or August.
3. Aiyuk, his agent, nflpa agreed the void of those guarantees were warranted.

Your skepticism is "what if the 49ers so desperately wanted to get out of this contract that they voided his deal for something extremely minor?" Hence, your response IS actually "yea well you don't know for sure"

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
It was a disaster of a contract primarily because of his injury.

I agree but I also say that once he held out through camp he should not have been extended until he started playing like 2023 BA and that didn't happen even up until the injury

Bad deal

Originally posted by frenchmov:
You are saying "well what if" though. "What if the 49ers just voided his deal for something really minor!"

Here is what we know:

1. Aiyuk did not practice once in mini camp, training camp, preseason or regular season.
2. The 49ers voided Aiyuks contract guarantees in July or August.
3. Aiyuk, his agent, nflpa agreed the void of those guarantees were warranted.

Your skepticism is "what if the 49ers so desperately wanted to get out of this contract that they voided his deal for something extremely minor?" Hence, your response IS actually "yea well you don't know for sure"

You made this same post yesterday and I responded to it:

Of course he didn't practice, he was injured. But he was with the team, rehabbing, running routes, doing side work. This was the case, as confirmed by Shanahan, at least until mid-late November. His statements are corroborated by the fact that the team added Aiyuk to the left-squad list on December 13. Not earlier in the season, not in training camp, and not in minicamp either. This contradicts what you initially posted which included these claims:

'A guy just got paid, doesn't want to rehab getting back into the field.'
'A player just not rehabbing, seemingly zero interest getting back on the field.'

This was all covered in the previous posts. There is no relevance to saying he didn't practice when we wasn't medically cleared and was on the PUP list.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
I agree but I also say that once he held out through camp he should not have been extended until he started playing like 2023 BA and that didn't happen even up until the injury

Bad deal

The 49ers initially offered a deal at 26 million a year in May and didn't move off that number until August, after the start of training camp.

There are two sides to view in these negotiations. It's not simply Aiyuk's fault the negotiation dragged on through camp and he has every right to exercise his leverage in an attempt to get his market value.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
You made this same post yesterday and I responded to it:

Of course he didn't practice, he was injured. But he was with the team, rehabbing, running routes, doing side work. This was the case, as confirmed by Shanahan, at least until mid-late November. His statements are corroborated by the fact that the team added Aiyuk to the left-squad list on December 13. Not earlier in the season, not in training camp, and not in minicamp either. This contradicts what you initially posted which included these claims:

'A guy just got paid, doesn't want to rehab getting back into the field.'
'A player just not rehabbing, seemingly zero interest getting back on the field.'

This was all covered in the previous posts. There is no relevance to saying he didn't practice when we wasn't medically cleared and was on the PUP list.

But you are saying there is a misunderstanding of the facts we do know. There isn't a misunderstanding. The above is what we do know for a fact. Aiyuk was not "with the team" through November, at the facility, with his teammates. Multiple teammates said they haven't heard from him. Let's say for example Aiyuk was somehow, some way at the facility the entire time (unbeknownst to his teammates somehow, but let's just say). He's working out, rehabbing, trying to get on the field every which way he can. And then he suddenly stops showing up, stops responding to his coaches. How does that scenario put him in any better of a light??

You claim that you aren't saying "well we don't know" as the basis of your argument but you are. I'm just using the facts we do know to connect the dots. The most likely explanation.

I don't need to create what-ifs as a blockade to have an opinion on what is currently known.