Championship window.

Originally posted by 49erminion:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

We called Jim Harbaugh's success not sustainable, but that was 3 years of deep playoff runs. Kyle is "sustainable", but we might be looking at 1 playoff out of 4 seasons. Are you guys referring to sustainable losses?

Good points.

Originally posted by simplyfloyd:

What a difference a year makes eh? Last year at this time we were 5-0, and the NFL started taking notice of how good we were, how young we were, and how we could run the NFC west for the future. Life comes at you fast, that's for dang sure.

Reality is, unless you have an elite generation type QB, the window opens and then closes as fast as the speed of light. You gotta strike when the opportunity presents itself because "next year" is just not guaranteed.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
We called Jim Harbaugh's success not sustainable, but that was 3 years of deep playoff runs. Kyle is "sustainable", but we might be looking at 1 playoff out of 4 seasons. Are you guys referring to sustainable losses?

Harbaugh inherited a roster that was a lot better than their recent record had indicated. To his credit he was able to use his rah-rah shtick to get get three pretty good years out of that team but he was a f**king psychopath who couldn't beat Seattle and had a GM in Baalke who wasn't up to the task of maintaining the roster, so yes, that situation wasn't sustainable .The team Lynch and Shanahan inherited had one of the worst rosters in the league which took them two years to tear down and rebuild and in the third year it was good enough to get them to the Super Bowl. This year has been brutal with all of the injuries and the depth of their roster has been tested in a way that few teams could survive. They are literally taking people off of the street to fill the holes but I haven't heard them making any excuses. There is still plenty of time to right the ship and perhaps compete for a playoff spot which has been the team's stated goal. Doesn't mean that they will win every year but that they will try and keep themselves in a position to compete. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out

LOL at us still talking about Harbaugh. He fizzled out and loss the love he had for the NFL. Once the leagued figured out the run pass option him and Kaep were pretty much done. The defense carried those teams and he refused to change his offensive play style. Yeah we shouldn't have got rid of him so quick but there is a reason why he went straight to college and not another NFL team.

I'm pretty sure his 2013 would have sucked if he had the same injuries the current team has.
Aldon Smith (Dee Ford)
Justin Smith (Nick Bosa)
Trumain Brock (Richard Sherman
Carlos Rogers (Mosely)
Tarrel Brown (K Williams)

How good do you think that team from 2013 would have been? That team started out 2-2 and got blown out in those losses too. Kinda similar in that regards.

Originally posted by luis1985:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by luis1985:

It's pretty much done. We have to rebuild again from the draft because we don't have enough $$$. Which means it will take about 2 more seasons to get back to the Super Bowl if we hit on couple of top draft picks and undrafted rookies.

We need a completely new OL if we want to even compete. We also have to rebuild our CB/safety position. Probably add couple of pass rushers because our DL took a big hit this offseason (QBs have so much time and we are so freaking slow). All I would do against us is just run the QB, we can't beat it.

It's going to get much worse before it gets better I think. Too many holes and can't play good free agents because we don't have enough cap space.

What? Lol, you want to flush it all away? Regarding pass rushing, just as an example, do you recall that we have one of the best young pass rushers in the league? He is injured right now but will be back. Just check Lynch and the front office and their draft and FA work and stop panicking. This is one of the deepest teams in the league and is going to compete next year and the year after.

Not saying to flush it all away but IMO the talent isn't there right now regardless of injuries. We need someone on the other side of Bosa and more depth. D-Buck left a huge hole and we cannot stop running QB's at all. The rookie we drafted to replace him hasn't had any impact unlike D-Buck during his rookie year. AA has been during these couple of games.

CB's are pretty trash. Safeties are terrible. OL is a complete disaster (our RT is a bust).

That is why I am saying we might need up to two season to get back to the Super Bowl. For example, next offseason take care of OL or CB. Then the following offseason take care of FS/SS and Pass Rush.

We will compete (if we are healthy) but until those problems are fixed I don't see us winning a Super Bowl.

We have no edge without Bosa and Ford. Mobile qb's are going to kill us as we have to bring extra help into the box. Wilson might hang a 50 spot on us. Team run stop isn't going to cut it. Damn

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
We called Jim Harbaugh's success not sustainable, but that was 3 years of deep playoff runs. Kyle is "sustainable", but we might be looking at 1 playoff out of 4 seasons. Are you guys referring to sustainable losses?

Harbaugh inherited a roster that was a lot better than their recent record had indicated. To his credit he was able to use his rah-rah shtick to get get three pretty good years out of that team but he was a f**king psychopath who couldn't beat Seattle and had a GM in Baalke who wasn't up to the task of maintaining the roster, so yes, that situation wasn't sustainable .The team Lynch and Shanahan inherited had one of the worst rosters in the league which took them two years to tear down and rebuild and in the third year it was good enough to get them to the Super Bowl. This year has been brutal with all of the injuries and the depth of their roster has been tested in a way that few teams could survive. They are literally taking people off of the street to fill the holes but I haven't heard them making any excuses. There is still plenty of time to right the ship and perhaps compete for a playoff spot which has been the team's stated goal. Doesn't mean that they will win every year but that they will try and keep themselves in a position to compete. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out

Originally posted by miked1978:

LOL at us still talking about Harbaugh. He fizzled out and loss the love he had for the NFL. Once the leagued figured out the run pass option him and Kaep were pretty much done. The defense carried those teams and he refused to change his offensive play style. Yeah we shouldn't have got rid of him so quick but there is a reason why he went straight to college and not another NFL team.

I'm pretty sure his 2013 would have sucked if he had the same injuries the current team has.
Aldon Smith (Dee Ford)
Justin Smith (Nick Bosa)
Trumain Brock (Richard Sherman
Carlos Rogers (Mosely)
Tarrel Brown (K Williams)

How good do you think that team from 2013 would have been? That team started out 2-2 and got blown out in those losses too. Kinda similar in that regards.

While I'm not arguing the injuries part - however, the loss to the cards we did not have that many injuries for -

those 2013 losses were to two playoff teams that went on to become division winners, one of which went on to win the superbowl.

Now it IS 2020,but something tells me neither cards nor eagles nor dolphins will be making the superbowl.

Originally posted by miked1978:

LOL at us still talking about Harbaugh. He fizzled out and loss the love he had for the NFL. Once the leagued figured out the run pass option him and Kaep were pretty much done. The defense carried those teams and he refused to change his offensive play style. Yeah we shouldn't have got rid of him so quick but there is a reason why he went straight to college and not another NFL team.

I'm pretty sure his 2013 would have sucked if he had the same injuries the current team has.
Aldon Smith (Dee Ford)
Justin Smith (Nick Bosa)
Trumain Brock (Richard Sherman
Carlos Rogers (Mosely)
Tarrel Brown (K Williams)

How good do you think that team from 2013 would have been? That team started out 2-2 and got blown out in those losses too. Kinda similar in that regards.

Great point Mike. Too bad 2 ALL PROS were injured in the SB that cost us #6 plain and simple. We ALWAYS get hosed with injuries and this year would of been easier to be the top of the NFC imo especially since Brees isn't quite as good and Seattles D is a dumpster fire with Adams. So frustrating. We need Jed York to hire the best training staff in the world. I don't give a hoot if they all use PEDs bc our players are out so many games with injuries the suspensions wouldn't be as long. Think about that

Now imagine Seattle or GB or KC or Baltimore with these injuries??? They don't have our depth their seasons would be over already.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Harbaugh inherited a roster that was a lot better than their recent record had indicated. To his credit he was able to use his rah-rah shtick to get get three pretty good years out of that team but he was a f**king psychopath who couldn't beat Seattle and had a GM in Baalke who wasn't up to the task of maintaining the roster, so yes, that situation wasn't sustainable .The team Lynch and Shanahan inherited had one of the worst rosters in the league which took them two years to tear down and rebuild and in the third year it was good enough to get them to the Super Bowl. This year has been brutal with all of the injuries and the depth of their roster has been tested in a way that few teams could survive. They are literally taking people off of the street to fill the holes but I haven't heard them making any excuses. There is still plenty of time to right the ship and perhaps compete for a playoff spot which has been the team's stated goal. Doesn't mean that they will win every year but that they will try and keep themselves in a position to compete. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out

Damn

Originally posted by the_dynasty:

Originally posted by miked1978:
LOL at us still talking about Harbaugh. He fizzled out and loss the love he had for the NFL. Once the leagued figured out the run pass option him and Kaep were pretty much done. The defense carried those teams and he refused to change his offensive play style. Yeah we shouldn't have got rid of him so quick but there is a reason why he went straight to college and not another NFL team.

I'm pretty sure his 2013 would have sucked if he had the same injuries the current team has.
Aldon Smith (Dee Ford)
Justin Smith (Nick Bosa)
Trumain Brock (Richard Sherman
Carlos Rogers (Mosely)
Tarrel Brown (K Williams)

How good do you think that team from 2013 would have been? That team started out 2-2 and got blown out in those losses too. Kinda similar in that regards.

While I'm not arguing the injuries part - however, the loss to the cards we did not have that many injuries for -

those 2013 losses were to two playoff teams that went on to become division winners, one of which went on to win the superbowl.

Now it IS 2020,but something tells me neither cards nor eagles nor dolphins will be making the superbowl.

I actually see the Dolphins in the playoffs. The rest of the AFC isn't that strong. They could give the Bills and Patriots a run for that division.

This teams window is officially closed. I think even with the players returning next year we're still lacking in key areas.

Qb
OL
DB'S

QB being the biggest concern. A rookie sets us back a season or two. I would also like a big bodied WR and another Rb.

We swung for the fences and missed last season. Time for a strong retooling.

Originally posted by jays9ers:
This teams window is officially closed. I think even with the players returning next year we're still lacking in key areas.

Qb
OL
DB'S

QB being the biggest concern. A rookie sets us back a season or two. I would also like a big bodied WR and another Rb.

We swung for the fences and missed last season. Time for a strong retooling.

We actually have a strong need at DE too, lol

Originally posted by jays9ers:
This teams window is officially closed. I think even with the players returning next year we're still lacking in key areas.

Qb
OL
DB'S

QB being the biggest concern. A rookie sets us back a season or two. I would also like a big bodied WR and another Rb.

We swung for the fences and missed last season. Time for a strong retooling.

I agree that a rookie sets us back for a season but I'm not convinced Jimmy can make up for us getting weak in other positions as well. I look at it as a step back to take two forward. I still think we can make the playoffs next year, but SB is really really pushing it unless everything goes right (as if).

This will be the off season that really defines a lot of teams. With covid and the cap situation of many teams quite perilous, whoever makes the right moves could set themselves up to be a force in the coming years.

This could be the most interesting off season we've seen in some time. There's definitely going to be surprises as teams try to figure out their cap and rosters.

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