DE Nick Bosa "Smaller Bear" NO POLITICS

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
To be honest, I dont think I have lookedat his stats ever. Defensive stats can be shallow. How does he impact the game is what i watch, both run and pass.

His ability to impact the game is heavily slanted by the fact that he so often is the only player on the line who can get after the QB at an above average level.

So not elite but could be if he had elite players along the DL. Kinda like Purdy.

The best DL can't turn in dominant stats with crap linemates. Scheme matters too.

Step that game up Bosa!!

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
To be honest, I dont think I have lookedat his stats ever. Defensive stats can be shallow. How does he impact the game is what i watch, both run and pass.

His ability to impact the game is heavily slanted by the fact that he so often is the only player on the line who can get after the QB at an above average level.

So not elite but could be if he had elite players along the DL. Kinda like Purdy.

The best DL can't turn in dominant stats with crap linemates. Scheme matters too.

Needy

So the wide9 doesn't support the DEs ability to rush the QB?

Originally posted by bud49:
Step that game up Bosa!!

Exactly.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
To be honest, I dont think I have lookedat his stats ever. Defensive stats can be shallow. How does he impact the game is what i watch, both run and pass.

His ability to impact the game is heavily slanted by the fact that he so often is the only player on the line who can get after the QB at an above average level.

So not elite but could be if he had elite players along the DL. Kinda like Purdy.

The best DL can't turn in dominant stats with crap linemates. Scheme matters too.

Needy

So the wide9 doesn't support the DEs ability to rush the QB?

If you have a wide 9, only have 1 player who can reasonably put pressure on the QB and the scheme doesn't do anything but rush straight ahead, nobody is going to put up big stats. Even great players need misdirection. Jerry Rice, I think the best NFL player of all time, couldn't put up stats by himself ... the same is true for players on defense. A great pass rush gets DBs and LBs more picks. Great DL line gets LBs more tackles and tackles for loss. Great DBs help the line get to the QB. A great offense helps a defense get more sacks. A great running game helps a defense stay fresh. It's all connected.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
You could argue TJ Watt too.

Bosa > Parsons and Crosby, though.

Bosa is over rated. A really good player but not elite. His only really good year was 2022. I would take Crosby, Watt Garrett over Bosa.

Thats your opinion. Bosa has never had a season grade lower than 86.7 when he played more than 2 games(other than 2020 where he only had 84.9)

He's had 3 90+ graded seasons and his 2023 season was PFFs highest grade for him.

What are you basing your analysis on? Sacks?

To be honest, I dont think I have lookedat his stats ever. Defensive stats can be shallow. How does he impact the game is what i watch, both run and pass.

Then how do you miss Bosa getting chipped by either the RB or TE dang near every play?

Pretty huge impact if the opposing teams offensive coordinator has to plan to his RB or TE and help the OT handle Bosa.

I don't see data from 2024 but in 2023 Bosa was the 3rd most double teamed edge in the NFL behind Parsons and Garrett. Crosby was below Bosa but yet Bosa won more. Watt was way below Bosa in terms of double team rate But yet you don't think Nick is in the same category as Crosby or Watt? LOL i wonder why???

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Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
You could argue TJ Watt too.

Bosa > Parsons and Crosby, though.

Bosa is over rated. A really good player but not elite. His only really good year was 2022. I would take Crosby, Watt Garrett over Bosa.

Thats your opinion. Bosa has never had a season grade lower than 86.7 when he played more than 2 games(other than 2020 where he only had 84.9)

He's had 3 90+ graded seasons and his 2023 season was PFFs highest grade for him.

What are you basing your analysis on? Sacks?

To be honest, I dont think I have lookedat his stats ever. Defensive stats can be shallow. How does he impact the game is what i watch, both run and pass.

Then how do you miss Bosa getting chipped by either the RB or TE dang near every play?

Pretty huge impact if the opposing teams offensive coordinator has to plan to his RB or TE and help the OT handle Bosa.

I don't see data from 2024 but in 2023 Bosa was the 3rd most double teamed edge in the NFL behind Parsons and Garrett. Crosby was below Bosa but yet Bosa won more. Watt was way below Bosa in terms of double team rate But yet you don't think Nick is in the same category as Crosby or Watt? LOL i wonder why???

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Nick is always one of the highest on these charts.

This was the most up to date that I could find from 2024

Originally posted by genus49:
Nick is always one of the highest on these charts.

This was the most up to date that I could find from 2024

Pass rushing plot for edge rushers!

Pass rush win rate at edge (x) by pressure rate (y). pic.twitter.com/nYzkfItSwK

— Seth Walder (@SethWalder) December 9, 2024

Ranks top 3-5 each year. But they say he';s not elite though!!! Make it make sense.

Bosa is one of the top edge rushers in the NFL and it'd be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Bosa is one of the top edge rushers in the NFL and it'd be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

It's because he's not averaging 16 sacks a year.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Bosa is one of the top edge rushers in the NFL and it'd be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

It's because he's not averaging 16 sacks a year.

Ya......who cares about sacks. How about Tackling for Loss? Total Pressures?
Where does he rank in those categories you think

So he is needy, requires scheme and elite DL along side hm to be elite?

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Bosa is one of the top edge rushers in the NFL and it'd be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

It's because he's not averaging 16 sacks a year.

Ya......who cares about sacks. How about Tackling for Loss? Total Pressures?
Where does he rank in those categories you think

So he is needy, requires scheme and elite DL along side hm to be elite?

No. Didn't say that. He is elite. But even being elite you need teammates and scheme to put up stats.

Huff put up stats, then under a different scheme he didn't. We are hoping the scheme makes a big difference with him.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Bosa is one of the top edge rushers in the NFL and it'd be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

It's because he's not averaging 16 sacks a year.

Ya......who cares about sacks. How about Tackling for Loss? Total Pressures?
Where does he rank in those categories you think

So he is needy, requires scheme and elite DL along side hm to be elite?

He was top in win rate % which also matters a lot. But hate on like you usually do lol

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Bosa is one of the top edge rushers in the NFL and it'd be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

It's because he's not averaging 16 sacks a year.

Ya......who cares about sacks. How about Tackling for Loss? Total Pressures?
Where does he rank in those categories you think

So he is needy, requires scheme and elite DL along side hm to be elite?

He was top in win rate % which also matters a lot. But hate on like you usually do lol

Win rate is a shallow stat. Might be good in evaluations by scouts buit hardly the metric to measure an elite status. He is 5th.

Not hating just challenging the elite tag.

Sbould an elite DE be good against thr run? I would say he is average at best.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Bosa is one of the top edge rushers in the NFL and it'd be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

It's because he's not averaging 16 sacks a year.

Ya......who cares about sacks. How about Tackling for Loss? Total Pressures?
Where does he rank in those categories you think

So he is needy, requires scheme and elite DL along side hm to be elite?

He was top in win rate % which also matters a lot. But hate on like you usually do lol

Win rate is a shallow stat. Might be good in evaluations by scouts buit hardly the metric to measure an elite status. He is 5th.

Not hating just challenging the elite tag.

Sbould an elite DE be good against thr run? I would say he is average at best.

So TJ Watt and Micah Parsons aren't elite cause they aren't elite against the run. And lol that you think Bosa isn't good vs the run.