WR Jordan Matthews Is a TE. And now released, again. And a 49er, again.

Originally posted by Scarlettlove:

No it was reported if you actually take the time to read the daily reports.

HA yeah I don't read many 49er reports, I'm never in here talking about them daily.

Stop being silly

Originally posted by elguapo:

Maybe I should've worded that differently I didn't mean a good receiver like a current one or two, if you thought I meant a wide receiver that was still producing great stats that's not what I meant. I said he would be a good four or five option. I stated that a few times. I hope he makes the team because in my opinion scoring touchdowns are much more important than kicking field goals and the people that are arguing against Matthews even though he has declined a bit which I am not denying, they have to take into consideration who is throwing to him and his production has to be given a small pass. Also in Shanahan's offense you guys as well as I know that he will produce a lot more than other offenses.

Either way he will probably not be a top three passing option but he will make a good red zone threat. He still can jump and catch and that's all you need in the red zone even if you don't get separation. That was my main point and I believe it's strongly accurate

See another thing I disagree about is that he's some stud RZ threat. I think Hurd can already do what Jordan does in the RZ. I think Bourne is good in the RZ. Deebo was very good in the RZ in college. They have pass catching RBs which help in the RZ. No reason to think Kittle can't get better in the RZ etc....

When we're talking about one of the last roster spots and one of the last spots in the WR group, you gotta be able to do multiple things to even be active on game day.

Only way I see him making the roster is if Taylor gets put on IR.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yes if Taylor goes on IR.

Mathews is purely a big slot WR. He isn't affective on the outside and contributes next to nothing on STs. If he's gonna be WR5/6 he's gotta play STs or he's not even gonna be active on game day.

This roster isn't the same as in the past, there's gonna be hard cuts to make and those guys at the bottom have to be able to do multiple things. James can play in the slot and outside. He returns kicks/punts and is actually pretty good at it. Bourne can play inside/outside and STs. IMO he's just as good in the RZ as well.

yep.. the special teams may be his downfall. well. i do like that kyle did a wide out face lift here . and while i went to bat for mathews and still like him. it was much more important the two rookies made our team, but you made tons of good points

Originally posted by elguapo:
Either way he will probably not be a top three passing option but he will make a good red zone threat. He still can jump and catch and that's all you need in the red zone even if you don't get separation. That was my main point and I believe it's strongly accurate

I have asked other Matthews supporters (cant remember if you were one or not) multiple times, and have been ignored. My guess is because blanket statements like you made above are nonsense, and not provable. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply didnt see my questions...so maybe you can answer them.

You and others have made the claim that because he is a big bodied WR, he can jump and catch. Can you please show me any video evidence of him making plays like this? Because I watched a fair share of Eagles games when he was actually a decent WR, and I dont remember a single play like this.

You and others have made claims that he is a "red zone monster/machine" simply because 16 of his 22 touchdowns have come inside the redzone. 100% of Kendrick Bourne's touchdowns have been in the red zone. Does that mean I should call him a red zone monster? Or is this a reflection of the fact that most of the league's passing touchdowns come from inside the red zone?

I would really love a response guapo. Because until then, posts like yours and others who claim Matthews plays tough and fights for jump balls and/or he is a dominant red zone player are simply nonsense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

See another thing I disagree about is that he's some stud RZ threat. I think Hurd can already do what Jordan does in the RZ. I think Bourne is good in the RZ. Deebo was very good in the RZ in college. They have pass catching RBs which help in the RZ. No reason to think Kittle can't get better in the RZ etc....

When we're talking about one of the last roster spots and one of the last spots in the WR group, you gotta be able to do multiple things to even be active on game day.

Only way I see him making the roster is if Taylor gets put on IR.

Why do you keep putting a number next to the Wrs names. I can assure you Kyle doesn't look at it like Jordan is the #6 WR. He is just another piece of the situational offense. We don't have the type of guys were you can say Okay Jerry Rice and TO are the #1 and #2 and they wont ever come out of the game. We have a committee based on matchups and weekly game plans.

Originally posted by cciowa:

yep.. the special teams may be his downfall. well. i do like that kyle did a wide out face lift here . and while i went to bat for mathews and still like him. it was much more important the two rookies made our team, but you made tons of good points

Yeah I mean I'm just looking at it bias free and logically...I like Matthews coming out of college. I don't hate him at all. If he makes the team I'll root for him all day.

But this roster is getting better...Matthews probably makes it back in 2017. I think Hurd can do what we'd ask Matthews to do and imo Richie James has been pretty darn good in the return game. Kid can flip the field real quick.

We will see, end of the day it's one of the last roster spots so whatever. I would prefer it to go to a younger person that's cheap and still growing as a WR.

Originally posted by Scarlettlove:

Why do you keep putting a number next to the Wrs names. I can assure you Kyle doesn't look at it like Jordan is the #6 WR. He is just another piece of the situational offense. We don't have the type of guys were you can say Okay Jerry Rice and TO are the #1 and #2 and they wont ever come out of the game. We have a committee based on matchups and weekly game plans.

I put numbers next to their names because not all of them are gonna be active.

They more than likely won't have 6 dressed up on game day. There is a depth chart regardless if you don't want to believe it. IF you're at the bottom of it you HAVE to be able to play STs or at least have versatility.

Matthews doesn't have versatility and is minimal as a STer. IF he was such a stud we wouldn't be reading articles on if he's gonna make the team or not.

End of the day he's just meh as a WR. There's a reason why Philly traded him instead of paying him & there's a reason why NE chose to have 3 WRs on their final roster vs having him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I put numbers next to their names because not all of them are gonna be active.

They more than likely won't have 6 dressed up on game day. There is a depth chart regardless if you don't want to believe it. IF you're at the bottom of it you HAVE to be able to play STs or at least have versatility.

Matthews doesn't have versatility and is minimal as a STer. IF he was such a stud we wouldn't be reading articles on if he's gonna make the team or not.

End of the day he's just meh as a WR.

Plenty of ways around that. I'd guess we dress 5-6 every game. You can simply list Juice as a TE or even Hurd if need be. We are going to dress light somewhere but it won't be at WR.

Originally posted by Scarlettlove:

Plenty of ways around that. I'd guess we dress 5-6 every game. You can simply list Juice as a TE or even Hurd if need be. We are going to dress light somewhere but it won't be at WR.

Dude that has nothing to do with it. It has to do with the bottom of your active roster being able to play STs and take on multiple roles. Kyle has already stated that he usually has one of the active WRs as his return man as well.

We have other positions with better players like DL/RB/LBer that need spots on the 53 man too.

You're acting like Matthews is something special, but in reality he's signing $300k guaranteed contracts and switched teams 5x's going on 6 seasons. What are you related to him or something? He's a big slot WR and not much more. Hasn't looked impressive this off season either.

Originally posted by Scarlettlove:

Originally posted by Tru2RedNGold25:
Honestly dude hasn't earned a roster spot. Dude hasn't stood out in camp or thus so far in the 2 preseason games we played in.

That's because he is being protected like a starter. Hence why you haven't seen much of him in the preseason.

according to who? Typically starters aren't on 1 year contracts signed at the tail end of FA.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I hope Matthews makes the cut - we need some veteran presence along with the youngsters.

I would be shocked at this point if he makes it.

I hope your wrong.

He's been on 4 teams in 3 years. There's a reason for that.

Every year is a new beginning - you never know what can happen.

Is that the theme song for Glee?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I put numbers next to their names because not all of them are gonna be active.

They more than likely won't have 6 dressed up on game day. There is a depth chart regardless if you don't want to believe it. IF you're at the bottom of it you HAVE to be able to play STs or at least have versatility.

Matthews doesn't have versatility and is minimal as a STer. IF he was such a stud we wouldn't be reading articles on if he's gonna make the team or not.

End of the day he's just meh as a WR. There's a reason why Philly traded him instead of paying him & there's a reason why NE chose to have 3 WRs on their final roster vs having him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Dude that has nothing to do with it. It has to do with the bottom of your active roster being able to play STs and take on multiple roles. Kyle has already stated that he usually has one of the active WRs as his return man as well.

We have other positions with better players like DL/RB/LBer that need spots on the 53 man too.

You're acting like Matthews is something special, but in reality he's signing $300k guaranteed contracts and switched teams 5x's going on 6 seasons. What are you related to him or something? He's a big slot WR and not much more. Hasn't looked impressive this off season either.

In three seasons with Philadelphia, Matthews caught 225 passes for 2,673 yards and 19 touchdowns.

That is great production for someone's first 3 years in the league. You obviously are talented and worthy of a roster spot on most teams with those types of numbers.

His time in Buffalo isn't even worth mentioning because he was injured and on the worst passing offense in the league. Surely if you can point to Chip Kelly for inflated stats you can point to Buffalo for regressed stats.

Philly thought enough of him to bring him back. Not something you do if you traded him because he is a cancer or underperforming.

NE thought enough of him to bring him in and he even caught a TD pass from Brady in practice only to get hurt afterwards. NE put him on the IR with intentions of keeping him. But they worked out an injury settlement which allowed him to be a free agent so he could play again that year after healing up. Since he actually practiced with the team in TC he wasn't available for the pup list.

Did I mention both of those teams have recently won the SB?

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

according to who? Typically starters aren't on 1 year contracts signed at the tail end of FA.

Dude has $300K in guaranteed cash. He was out there with Jimmy in MNF, ran a s**tty route/slipped and almost got JG intercepted.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
according to who? Typically starters aren't on 1 year contracts signed at the tail end of FA.

Dude has $300K in guaranteed cash. He was out there with Jimmy in MNF, ran a s**tty route/slipped and almost got JG intercepted.

wasn't that the batted ball that he tried to stop while running full speed and almost caught? I hope you're not blaming the WR on that one. lol

would be pretty funny if they cut him after he spent all that money to get #81