Week 8 2017: Thoughts after rewatching the game... | Page 2

Marvin49 · 2017-10-31T09:52:13-07:00

Wow...maybe I should wait a day every week before posting. Things have changed a bit since Sunday... 1) Beathard: Poor guy. He got no help at all up front. Thats not to say he was great because he was off target for a large portion of the day but ya gotta feel for the guy. He was pressured on 60% of his snaps on Sunday and sacked several times. He still seems to show little pocket awareness but now (and I can't really blame him) he seems to be responding to the pressure...in a bad way. There were a few times it looked like he was going through his reads and just started running early in his progression. The guy is a rookie. He will improve. He could be a player in the future but he certainly isn't there yet. Lets be real though...he's not the QB we all want to talk about.... 2) Jimmy Garoppolo: Gotta admit...I was stunned. As some know I'm into politics (don't worry, not a political post) so on the way home from work last night I was listening to CNN on Sirius. IE, I missed it when it broke. It wasn't until I got home and looked at my twitter feed that I scared the hell out of my wife with a rather loud "WHAT!?!". I have to own up to it probably not sounding as manly as I'd have liked. My wife was cracking up. So my thoughts on the trade? I love it. LOVE it. Its not because I think he's a can't miss Franchise QB either. The reality is that nobody knows if thats what he is. Its also reality that nobody knows if any of the guys in the draft or even Kirk Cousins are that guy either. What is this to me? Relatively low risk with very high reward potential. I have to confess that Garoppolo was the guy I wanted last offseason. LOVE the movement ability (within the pocket), thick lower body to shed guys around his legs and escape, and most of all...the release. MAN I love the release. So many will say "yeah but what about Ryan Mallett or Matt Cassel...New England QBs suck in second stops". True and fair, but I really think this is different. Cassell didn't start a single game in College. Mallet was a head case that fell in the draft. The only knock on Garoppolo in school was where he played. Below are Jimmys college stats.... 2010: 58.8 comp%, 1639 yds, 7.8 YPA, 14TDs, 13 INTs, 133.6 rating 2011: 62.2 comp%, 2644yds, 7.6 YPA, 20 TDs, 14 INTs, 136.7 rating 2012: 61.3 comp%, 3823 yds, 7.1 YPA, 31 TDs, 15 INTs, 134.2 rating 2013: 66.0 comp%, 5050 yds, 8.9 YPA, 53 TDs, 9 INTs, 168.3 rating That 2013 season is nuts. His New England stats.... 2014-2016: 67% comp%, 690 yards, 8.4 YPA, 5 TDs, 0 INTs, 106.2 rating I want to be clear here. I'm making no guarantees. I don't know how good Jimmy will be. He could be great and he could be a total bust... ...but what immediately comes to mind here is this seems like New England making the opposite choice SF made with Montana/Young or Green Bay did with Favre/Rodgers. Would Young have been the same guy on another team had they been the guy traded? Would Rodgers? We'll never know. Bottom line, I love this bold move. Now, let the guy sit for at least the next several weeks. Learn the system. Let Brown and Staley get back healthy. Hell, I'd be fine waiting till there were only 2 or 3 weeks left in the season. Certainly creates some excitement for the future in this lost season. 3) O-Line: Now that you might have your QB, invest BIG in the line. Free Agency, Draft, whatever. Have to get serious this offseason because right now that line is going to get somebody killed (Poor CJ Beathard). 4) Shanahan: That dude is gonna go grey early. LOL. Dude is a wizard moving pieces around the board but he just can't keep any of his guys upright. You can scheme all you want (and there were again some great calls...loved the TD to Breida) but if the guys can't execute it doesn't matter. 5) Injuries: Injuries are a hallmark of a bad team. I don't know what makes one team constantly have injury issues while another does not. Training staff? Bad luck? I dunno. Niners are certainly getting hit though with the injury stick. When you don't have may good players its tough to win. When the only good ones you have can't get on the field, its impossible. 6) Hyde: Still on the fence if I want him back, but I'd be lying if I didn't think the prospect of possibly having #26 at Penn State wasn't impacting my thought process. Guy plays hard even in lost cause games. Hands are failing him but his QB isn't making it easy. I like Carlos but still don't know if he's a part of the future in SF. 7) Reid: I give him credit for accepting the role as an OLB and I'd have liked to see how it played out but it looks like it was a short experiment. I think he's moving back to SS because.... 8) Ward: Ward can't stay on the field. I've just about given up on this guy. He always seems to be on the cusp of turning into something, but he's just so damn fragile. He may come back and be a good player for them but he's at the point now where there is no way they could ever depend on him to be healthy. This might keep Reid in SF with Reid and Tartt as your safeties. 9) Saleh: Gotta feel for this guy as well. His guys are dropping like flies but he's still getting them up to play with guys who have been on the roster for 1 or 2 weeks. I like this guy. I think he's here for the long haul. 10) 50% there: Halfway through this rebuild season. This was always going to be rough but its been rougher than we thought. Thats OK though. If you are going to suck you might as well REALLY suck. Some guys are starting to show that they are building blocks. Some guys are showing that they are not. The future is starting to unfold before us and the Garoppolo trade is a big part of that. I look forward to much, much more.

Oct 31, 2017 at 2:28 PM

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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
What a great summary, Marv. Thanks. Would just re-emphasize the magnitude of the F/U on signing OL FAs and FA acquisition. Lynch and shanny did a crapola job. Not one decent OL they were responsible for excepting D. Williams (OT) and we haven't really seen him yet. Got my fingers crossed. This is now obviously our #1 job next yr, and i mean 3 all pros for OG, C and OG. Then we need 1 or two OLs (one a C) taken in top end of draft. That would mean not getting #1 WR , ILB, OLB , CB, S, as top pick, but we better fix that OL and i mean with super talent and backups besides. It is the only way we can field a team next yr. And the failures of lynch and shanny at picking OLs was obvious to all this yr. Hopefully darren Williams works out.

Finally, just don't get our potential FR QB hurt this yr before we get some protection for him. If no protection, DO NOT PUT ON FIELD, keep him on bench if we cannot protect him.

On the first point, Maybe none of the higher caliber OL FA's wanted to come here. I really don't know.

Completely agree on the final point!

This season is burnt toast and I want the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft. Any wins would jeopardize that.

Oct 31, 2017 at 2:30 PM

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Originally posted by sfout:
Rashard robinson sent to NYJ so we're clearly moving towards 2018....

Good riddance to that penalty machine.

Oct 31, 2017 at 2:30 PM

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Originally posted by FourNine49:
After all this losing and the injuries, I think it was also smart for the FO to nab Jimmy G because it sends a message to the team: that they are going to keep doing what it takes to get better. If there was no movement on the roster, it gets stale really fast and that's when you start losing people.

Good call!

Oct 31, 2017 at 3:14 PM

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Originally posted by sfout:
we're 0-8. they aren't going to move Reid back to SS. They are going to let Colbert sink or swim and allow Reid to sink or swim art OLB.

Someone told me Kyle confirmed Reid back to safety. Hope we get to see Elijah Lee in action and try to over leap Ray-Ray.

Anyways back to Marvins post.. Just add "D played scrappy until the 3rd with a depleted ass team and 2 guys that played a lot of snaps after signing them off the street a week ago"

Oct 31, 2017 at 4:38 PM

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Concerning the game, I was surprised in the first quarter how close the 49ers were playing them.
Their inability to complete two screen passes to Hyde seemed like the turning point where the team went from being competitive to losing steam
Then on defense, D Johnson's PI in the end zone seemed to take the wind out of the D's sails.

Maybe a new QB can hit those passes and be the difference to move the ball and gain momentum. Maybe he will throw a catchable ball?
From Kap and Gabbert skipping balls off the turf to Hoyer and Beathard being off target, we've had to have the most inaccurate passers in the NFL the last few years.

Was hoping that Witherspoon and R Robinson would grow and be a nice tandem. Too bad we didn't draft Lattimore instead of Dline at #3
Ward is as frustrating as Ellington was. Intriguing as a player when he is healthy. Not sure he is the long-term guy. Even if re-signed, long-term isn't a word I think of when his name is mentioned unless it involves the training room.
Luckily Reid can move back to safety but that leaves Coyle? as a starting LB?

This draft, the offense should be the priority.
Dline looks set could but need a good pass rusher. The LBs corp and the secondary are thin and could use help but the middle of the O line and #1 WR should be the main target.
Garappolo makes the offseason revamping seem a lot less daunting and should speed up the rebuild (I hope)

[ Edited by Sourball on Oct 31, 2017 at 4:40 PM ]

Oct 31, 2017 at 5:59 PM

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Great post Marvin49

Oct 31, 2017 at 8:14 PM

#22

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Originally posted by Sourball:
Concerning the game, I was surprised in the first quarter how close the 49ers were playing them.
Their inability to complete two screen passes to Hyde seemed like the turning point where the team went from being competitive to losing steam
Then on defense, D Johnson's PI in the end zone seemed to take the wind out of the D's sails.

Maybe a new QB can hit those passes and be the difference to move the ball and gain momentum. Maybe he will throw a catchable ball?
From Kap and Gabbert skipping balls off the turf to Hoyer and Beathard being off target, we've had to have the most inaccurate passers in the NFL the last few years.

Was hoping that Witherspoon and R Robinson would grow and be a nice tandem. Too bad we didn't draft Lattimore instead of Dline at #3
Ward is as frustrating as Ellington was. Intriguing as a player when he is healthy. Not sure he is the long-term guy. Even if re-signed, long-term isn't a word I think of when his name is mentioned unless it involves the training room.
Luckily Reid can move back to safety but that leaves Coyle? as a starting LB?

This draft, the offense should be the priority.
Dline looks set could but need a good pass rusher. The LBs corp and the secondary are thin and could use help but the middle of the O line and #1 WR should be the main target.
Garappolo makes the offseason revamping seem a lot less daunting and should speed up the rebuild (I hope)

Next step, all in tank and kill f**king FA to setup the draft.

Nov 1, 2017 at 9:36 AM

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Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Next step, all in tank and kill f**king FA to setup the draft.

This!

Nov 2, 2017 at 2:14 PM

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Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Originally posted by sfout:
we're 0-8. they aren't going to move Reid back to SS. They are going to let Colbert sink or swim and allow Reid to sink or swim art OLB.

Someone told me Kyle confirmed Reid back to safety. Hope we get to see Elijah Lee in action and try to over leap Ray-Ray.

Anyways back to Marvins post.. Just add "D played scrappy until the 3rd with a depleted ass team and 2 guys that played a lot of snaps after signing them off the street a week ago"

We have to buy or draft a S. What i am not sure of is if we don't need to buy or draft a total of 2. Between incompetence and injury, we gotta stop the bleeding here. That makes a potential for not jiust 2 CBs but 2 S also. IF there is a really hot S or CB or both in FA, i hope we buy both of 'em.

Nov 2, 2017 at 2:19 PM

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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Originally posted by sfout:
we're 0-8. they aren't going to move Reid back to SS. They are going to let Colbert sink or swim and allow Reid to sink or swim art OLB.

Someone told me Kyle confirmed Reid back to safety. Hope we get to see Elijah Lee in action and try to over leap Ray-Ray.

Anyways back to Marvins post.. Just add "D played scrappy until the 3rd with a depleted ass team and 2 guys that played a lot of snaps after signing them off the street a week ago"

We have to buy or draft a S. What i am not sure of is if we don't need to buy or draft a total of 2. Between incompetence and injury, we gotta stop the bleeding here. That makes a potential for not jiust 2 CBs but 2 S also. IF there is a really hot S or CB or both in FA, i hope we buy both of 'em.

Im all in CB in FA but i wanna keep Ward at safety unless we wanna target a day one FS in the draft. I rather take a safety in the 2nd or 3rd to develop or target a FA in 2019.