Is the talent on the roster really as bad as many think?

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
Is the roster that bad? Yes, I think so. Certainly not currently near the same talent level on this roster as the 2011 squad had. Not enough talent on the roster to overcome boneheaded mistakes despite the coaching (more often than not) putting those players in positions to succeed. We're either too young and inexperienced, too old and damaged, just plain not good enough, or injured. The core of the 2011 squad was the perfect confluence of years of talent acquisition and a coaching staff to equal and harness that talent in its prime.

Baalke's ineptness left the 49ers' cupboards absolutely bare in all the wrong places. One off-season, with a substantial roster turnover, is not enough time for the new regime to fix that. An entire roster of all-pro or starter caliber talent that fits Shanahan's schemes will not be available in one off-season and we don't have the luxury of foolishly blowing our salary cap load too quickly. The idea is to draft well, develop well, and pay your home grown players. That being said, as the former regime failed at drafting and development, I am inclined to believe that somewhere along the way we will sign somebody that fits a need and makes an impact.

This regime has gotten off to a good start in talent acquisition with the 2017 draft class. Assuming they stay on the field I expect a handful of our rookies and young players will be some of the cornerstones of our roster in the future. The 49ers will continue to bring in young talent via the draft and free agency. Which makes currently being 0-7 a little more palatable for the draft slot it will garner if we project out 16 games. It remains to be seen just how good some of these guys can be. I am eager to find out if Beathard is the answer to our franchise QB question if only for the fundamental shift in our needs it would represent if he was that guy. At this point we have so many holes we just need the best talent we can acquire.

There are some rather gaping holes created by the loss of elite players, but the team has quite a bit of talent at a secondary level. Sadly, the guys drafted to replace our blue chip stars and QBs haven't worked out.

Gore--Hyde
Smith--Kaepernick--Hoyer/Beathard
VD--Celek/McD/?
J Smith--Dial (Thomas is as close as anyone so far and may turn out to be great)
Willis--Borland--Foster
A Smith--Tank--Lynch--Harold

You can argue about a player or two here but not with the lack of progress in replacing them. Willis, and both Aldon and Justin could change a game with their efforts. Foster is the only replacement with that kind of play and he may never be fully healthy. As for Smith and Gore...Hyde has dropped two first down balls today and isn't nearly as consistent a threat as Gore was. Having an experienced QB capable of playing at the NFL level should not be underestimated. Beathard may develop but he's a rookie...enough said.

It's worse. A lot of fans on here have pointed to the close games we played earlier this year, but two of those games were against some of the worst teams in the league (Colts and Cardinals). Our two best games this year are losses to the Seahawks (a game in which we only converted 11 first downs) and Redskins. We're about to be 0-8, but we've played more like a 1-7 or 2-6 team.

Our defense has some talent, but Buckner is really the only cornerstone piece we have right now. One player isn't going to fix our offense - we have a bad offensive line, bad receivers, and bad RBs if we let Hyde go.

It would be one thing if we had a mix of stars and weak links, but we just have a collection of mediocre/bad players. There is no Patrick Willis/Aldon Smith/Justin Smith/Joe Staley we can build around. Buckner is promising and it's too early to say on Thomas, but this team doesn't have a lot going for it outside of cap space (which we'll blow through in a hurry if we try to rebuild right away).

Those early close games really meant nothing and now it's showing as we regress more to the mean of the season.

Did anyone consider that our opponents were playing down to our level considering it was early in the season instead of us playing up to their level?

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

This is awesome. Applies perfectly to the Browns and 49ers right now

Our talent is not bad at all, Tomsula had good result with the same bunch, hey even Chip had better result with the same bunch. Why we suck so bad? look else where.

Originally posted by GarnerValleyFan:
Our talent is not bad at all, Tomsula had good result with the same bunch, hey even Chip had better result with the same bunch. Why we suck so bad? look else where.

Tomsula's roster was very different than this year's roster.

This team has no talent. Nasty nasty all around. No quarterback no offensive line no wrs overrated d line terrible cbs and mediocre safetys. I don't even know their linebackers at this point. There are no probowlers or future hall of famers. This team sucks.

It's hard to improve when you lose 4 players to injuries every week. It's not even fun to watch anymore.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by GarnerValleyFan:

Our talent is not bad at all, Tomsula had good result with the same bunch, hey even Chip had better result with the same bunch. Why we suck so bad? look else where.

Tomsula's roster was very different than this year's roster.

Tomsula and Chip both had way more talent to work with.

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by GarnerValleyFan:
Our talent is not bad at all, Tomsula had good result with the same bunch, hey even Chip had better result with the same bunch. Why we suck so bad? look else where.

Tomsula's roster was very different than this year's roster.

Tomsula and Chip both had way more talent to work with.

Chips D was worse...Offense was worse too unless you consider Kap an upgrade. Tomsula had a better roster but not by much.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by GarnerValleyFan:

Our talent is not bad at all, Tomsula had good result with the same bunch, hey even Chip had better result with the same bunch. Why we suck so bad? look else where.

Tomsula's roster was very different than this year's roster.

Tomsula and Chip both had way more talent to work with.

Chips D was worse...Offense was worse too unless you consider Kap an upgrade. Tomsula had a better roster but not by much.

Kaep (and Gabbert) was definitely an upgrade over what we've had at QB this year so far. I like Beathard but it really can't be debated that he's better than either of them yet.

Besides Staley, there isn't a pro bowl caliber player on this team. Foster can't stay healthy long enough to ever stay on the field. Thomas was a bad pick at #3. Beathard was a reach at 104

Originally posted by Sstkid:
Besides Staley, there isn't a pro bowl caliber player on this team. Foster can't stay healthy long enough to ever stay on the field. Thomas was a bad pick at #3. Beathard was a reach at 104

lol Beathard is outplaying #2 overall pick Trubustky....

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

This is awesome. Applies perfectly to the Browns and 49ers right now

The last 7 seconds applies to me.