Keep in mind Jed York is a business man, he is not a football man, he cares about ROI

Originally posted by jcs:
I'll tell you what's mad...firing the only successful HC you've had in 15 years because you didn't like his personality.

That coach wanted to be in Mich. no one was fired

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Viperboy:

Originally posted by Niners99:

He ate like 60 million in failed 1-and-done coaches. Obviously he cares about winning more than making money. York is a dork, dont get me wrong, but he would've just stuck with Tomsula or Chip Kelly if he wanted to be a cheapskate.

LOL, Denise ate it

Wining handed them a billion dollar stadium...IMO they don't care about championships but they also don't want this team to be the browns either as it hurts the bottom line.

They got their stadium, so why would they flush 60 million on 2 coaches, and then pay Shanahan and Lynch big money if they only cared about their profits?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:
I'll tell you what's mad...firing the only successful HC you've had in 15 years because you didn't like his personality.

That coach wanted to be in Mich. no one was fired

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Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Viperboy:

Originally posted by Niners99:
He ate like 60 million in failed 1-and-done coaches. Obviously he cares about winning more than making money. York is a dork, dont get me wrong, but he would've just stuck with Tomsula or Chip Kelly if he wanted to be a cheapskate.

LOL, Denise ate it

Wining handed them a billion dollar stadium...IMO they don't care about championships but they also don't want this team to be the browns either as it hurts the bottom line.

They got their stadium, so why would they flush 60 million on 2 coaches, and then pay Shanahan and Lynch big money if they only cared about their profits?

60 million is a drop in the bucket to the value the stadium brought. Franchise is now worth 2.7 billion. It's the impulsive nature of our immature Owner that's cost us as well as his cheap parents. Again they want to have a working franchise but I don't believe they are willing to do what it takes to win a championship.

This thread is like that Twix commercial with the ghost/spirit janitor/custodian

Jeds as much a business man as he is a football man. Haha

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Viperboy:

Originally posted by Niners99:

He ate like 60 million in failed 1-and-done coaches. Obviously he cares about winning more than making money. York is a dork, dont get me wrong, but he would've just stuck with Tomsula or Chip Kelly if he wanted to be a cheapskate.

LOL, Denise ate it

Wining handed them a billion dollar stadium...IMO they don't care about championships but they also don't want this team to be the browns either as it hurts the bottom line.

They got their stadium, so why would they flush 60 million on 2 coaches, and then pay Shanahan and Lynch big money if they only cared about their profits?

60 million is a drop in the bucket to the value the stadium brought. Franchise is now worth 2.7 billion. It's the impulsive nature of our immature Owner that's cost us as well as his cheap parents. Again they want to have a working franchise but I don't believe they are willing to do what it takes to win a championship.

Lol, so much bs. It's time to get over JH

Did someone say Jed is a business man?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Revenue is revenue. and this type of Rev it's shared.

The players salary cap is determined by a % of all shared revenue. The unused amount is not shared. Players salaries are not part of team revenue.

Further more the 89% team spending rule is over a 4 year term. The new spending window is from 2017-2020.

If the 49ers want to spend only 75% of the cap in 2017 they can. As long as they end up spending the 89% by the end of 2020 they pay nothing back to any players.

Nothing of what you're saying is part of a teams shared revenue.

So shared revenue thats not used is not shared revenue anymore ?

again if that were true then no one would roll it over.

About 60% of revenue is shared, mostly from the shared national TV contracts.
Salaries are paid after revenue has been shared.

thank you brick

I am not sure why you are struggling to grasp what SoCold is explaining.

He said the team wasn't pocketing the cash. we are past you silly comment on something new.

it's the reason you disappeared

If you care here is the exact amount from the CBA that is calculated from AR (all revenue)

The CBA Percentage is as follows: Players receive 55% of AR (Media), 45% of AR (NFL Venture/Post Season) and 40% of AR (Local). Overall, the players receive between 47% and 48.5% of total revenue. More specifically, in years 2012-2014 the overall percentage is capped at 48%. For years 2015-2020 the percentage is capped at 48.5%.

So the NFL compiles all revenue and applies their formula to find exactly how much the 48.5% works out to. This gives us the new ceiling cap space number.

For 2017 the number is $167m.

Take Carolina who has the highest payroll. They rolled over about $13m from last year and have a total adjusted cap of about $179m. Their total cap is about $172m. They have about $7m in cap space.

So the easiest way I can think of to clear up any confusion is to think of the Cap Space as money left in the teams "pocket". They can choose to use it or not. It's either used or unused.

Hope this helps. If not you can find the 10 page breakdown of the CBA cap space online and read through it yourself.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Revenue is revenue. and this type of Rev it's shared.

The players salary cap is determined by a % of all shared revenue. The unused amount is not shared. Players salaries are not part of team revenue.

Further more the 89% team spending rule is over a 4 year term. The new spending window is from 2017-2020.

If the 49ers want to spend only 75% of the cap in 2017 they can. As long as they end up spending the 89% by the end of 2020 they pay nothing back to any players.

Nothing of what you're saying is part of a teams shared revenue.

So shared revenue thats not used is not shared revenue anymore ?

again if that were true then no one would roll it over.

About 60% of revenue is shared, mostly from the shared national TV contracts.
Salaries are paid after revenue has been shared.

thank you brick

I am not sure why you are struggling to grasp what SoCold is explaining.

He said the team wasn't pocketing the cash. we are past you silly comment on something new.

it's the reason you disappeared

If you care here is the exact amount from the CBA that is calculated from AR (all revenue)

The CBA Percentage is as follows: Players receive 55% of AR (Media), 45% of AR (NFL Venture/Post Season) and 40% of AR (Local). Overall, the players receive between 47% and 48.5% of total revenue. More specifically, in years 2012-2014 the overall percentage is capped at 48%. For years 2015-2020 the percentage is capped at 48.5%.

So the NFL compiles all revenue and applies their formula to find exactly how much the 48.5% works out to. This gives us the new ceiling cap space number.

For 2017 the number is $167m.

Take Carolina who has the highest payroll. They rolled over about $13m from last year and have a total adjusted cap of about $179m. Their total cap is about $172m. They have about $7m in cap space.

So the easiest way I can think of to clear up any confusion is to think of the Cap Space as money left in the teams "pocket". They can choose to use it or not. It's either used or unused.

Hope this helps. If not you can find the 10 page breakdown of the CBA cap space online and read through it yourself.

That 7 gets rolled over to next year

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Revenue is revenue. and this type of Rev it's shared.

The players salary cap is determined by a % of all shared revenue. The unused amount is not shared. Players salaries are not part of team revenue.

Further more the 89% team spending rule is over a 4 year term. The new spending window is from 2017-2020.

If the 49ers want to spend only 75% of the cap in 2017 they can. As long as they end up spending the 89% by the end of 2020 they pay nothing back to any players.

Nothing of what you're saying is part of a teams shared revenue.

So shared revenue thats not used is not shared revenue anymore ?

again if that were true then no one would roll it over.

About 60% of revenue is shared, mostly from the shared national TV contracts.
Salaries are paid after revenue has been shared.

thank you brick

I am not sure why you are struggling to grasp what SoCold is explaining.

He said the team wasn't pocketing the cash. we are past you silly comment on something new.

it's the reason you disappeared

If you care here is the exact amount from the CBA that is calculated from AR (all revenue)

The CBA Percentage is as follows: Players receive 55% of AR (Media), 45% of AR (NFL Venture/Post Season) and 40% of AR (Local). Overall, the players receive between 47% and 48.5% of total revenue. More specifically, in years 2012-2014 the overall percentage is capped at 48%. For years 2015-2020 the percentage is capped at 48.5%.

So the NFL compiles all revenue and applies their formula to find exactly how much the 48.5% works out to. This gives us the new ceiling cap space number.

For 2017 the number is $167m.

Take Carolina who has the highest payroll. They rolled over about $13m from last year and have a total adjusted cap of about $179m. Their total cap is about $172m. They have about $7m in cap space.

So the easiest way I can think of to clear up any confusion is to think of the Cap Space as money left in the teams "pocket". They can choose to use it or not. It's either used or unused.

Hope this helps. If not you can find the 10 page breakdown of the CBA cap space online and read through it yourself.

That 7 gets rolled over to next year

The point you're not grasping is that is doesn't have to and not required to. It's up to the team how much they want to have available.

If they choose to only roll over $2m of that then they would save $5m they could never spend.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Revenue is revenue. and this type of Rev it's shared.

The players salary cap is determined by a % of all shared revenue. The unused amount is not shared. Players salaries are not part of team revenue.

Further more the 89% team spending rule is over a 4 year term. The new spending window is from 2017-2020.

If the 49ers want to spend only 75% of the cap in 2017 they can. As long as they end up spending the 89% by the end of 2020 they pay nothing back to any players.

Nothing of what you're saying is part of a teams shared revenue.

So shared revenue thats not used is not shared revenue anymore ?

again if that were true then no one would roll it over.

About 60% of revenue is shared, mostly from the shared national TV contracts.
Salaries are paid after revenue has been shared.

thank you brick

I am not sure why you are struggling to grasp what SoCold is explaining.

He said the team wasn't pocketing the cash. we are past you silly comment on something new.

it's the reason you disappeared

If you care here is the exact amount from the CBA that is calculated from AR (all revenue)

The CBA Percentage is as follows: Players receive 55% of AR (Media), 45% of AR (NFL Venture/Post Season) and 40% of AR (Local). Overall, the players receive between 47% and 48.5% of total revenue. More specifically, in years 2012-2014 the overall percentage is capped at 48%. For years 2015-2020 the percentage is capped at 48.5%.

So the NFL compiles all revenue and applies their formula to find exactly how much the 48.5% works out to. This gives us the new ceiling cap space number.

For 2017 the number is $167m.

Take Carolina who has the highest payroll. They rolled over about $13m from last year and have a total adjusted cap of about $179m. Their total cap is about $172m. They have about $7m in cap space.

So the easiest way I can think of to clear up any confusion is to think of the Cap Space as money left in the teams "pocket". They can choose to use it or not. It's either used or unused.

Hope this helps. If not you can find the 10 page breakdown of the CBA cap space online and read through it yourself.

That 7 gets rolled over to next year

The point you're not grasping is that is doesn't have to and not required to. It's up to the team how much they want to have available.

If they choose to only roll over $2m of that then they would save $5m they could never spend.

Oh I got it, you're not getting that the portion left over goes back into the shared pot

Originally posted by pahlerbj:
I can't read the original post lol

LOL

Originally posted by 9erred:
The Cleveland Browns and SF 49ers both have 62 million dollars in cap space for 2017. The Niners will have 95 million dollars in cap space for 2019. Jed York is raking in the money for 2017 by not spending on players, reaping TV revenue, and ticket revenue while producing an expansion team. One of the few perenial pro bowlers is a tad bit slow, cut him now, save money to make a bigger profit. Whatever happened to having building blocks. This team has been in continuous re building mode since Jed took over.

When are fans going to realize it is about the profits, concerts at levis stadium and 49ers franchise value??

1. When the team signed Hoyer to be the qb, then did not draft a qb until round 3, is that a hint?
2. When the team signed a FB to a record breaking deal??
3. When the team could have signed Alex Mack to C and Mitchell Schwartz to guard, instead they bring in second tier WR's??

I am just venting, but when a team has cap space, and chooses not to use it, they are not trying to be competitive.

Dude we've been down this whole Jed is cheap stuff a million times...do we really need another thread for it

People actually thinking Hoyer was anything more than a bridge QB for a season need to stop being silly. We've actually improved the QB position from what we had a yr ago IMO (and saved a bunch of money in hopes of signing a big named QB).

Not sure what you're talking about with Mack? He was under contract in ATL this off season? Schwartz is a RT and we actually have a very solid guy there PLUS he was signed back in March of 2016 not sure what that has to do with this current FO.

I'll start complaining about this FO if they don't spend money in the upcoming off season.

Originally posted by amir_tn80:
I am surprised the Jed York nut hanging brigade hasn't posted in this thread yet. I guess it is a matter of time.

who likes and supports Jed? I never see anyone on his nuts in here. #fakenews

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Revenue is revenue. and this type of Rev it's shared.

The players salary cap is determined by a % of all shared revenue. The unused amount is not shared. Players salaries are not part of team revenue.

Further more the 89% team spending rule is over a 4 year term. The new spending window is from 2017-2020.

If the 49ers want to spend only 75% of the cap in 2017 they can. As long as they end up spending the 89% by the end of 2020 they pay nothing back to any players.

Nothing of what you're saying is part of a teams shared revenue.

So shared revenue thats not used is not shared revenue anymore ?

again if that were true then no one would roll it over.

About 60% of revenue is shared, mostly from the shared national TV contracts.
Salaries are paid after revenue has been shared.

thank you brick

I am not sure why you are struggling to grasp what SoCold is explaining.

He said the team wasn't pocketing the cash. we are past you silly comment on something new.

it's the reason you disappeared

If you care here is the exact amount from the CBA that is calculated from AR (all revenue)

The CBA Percentage is as follows: Players receive 55% of AR (Media), 45% of AR (NFL Venture/Post Season) and 40% of AR (Local). Overall, the players receive between 47% and 48.5% of total revenue. More specifically, in years 2012-2014 the overall percentage is capped at 48%. For years 2015-2020 the percentage is capped at 48.5%.

So the NFL compiles all revenue and applies their formula to find exactly how much the 48.5% works out to. This gives us the new ceiling cap space number.

For 2017 the number is $167m.

Take Carolina who has the highest payroll. They rolled over about $13m from last year and have a total adjusted cap of about $179m. Their total cap is about $172m. They have about $7m in cap space.

So the easiest way I can think of to clear up any confusion is to think of the Cap Space as money left in the teams "pocket". They can choose to use it or not. It's either used or unused.

Hope this helps. If not you can find the 10 page breakdown of the CBA cap space online and read through it yourself.

That 7 gets rolled over to next year

The point you're not grasping is that is doesn't have to and not required to. It's up to the team how much they want to have available.

If they choose to only roll over $2m of that then they would save $5m they could never spend.

Oh I got it, you're not getting that the portion left over goes back into the shared pot

No. It does not. There is no shared pot for players salary. Once the amount is set it's set. Teams use the amount they want within the limits for that year. The following year the numbers are reset with a new cap.