49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
Glad we are getting players back and trading for some. Kyle is a likable coach who players enjoy playing for. Kyle is a good coach but he is not elite. Atlanta's loss was an example of the organization trying to find ways to prove Kyle is elite by winning without good players playing. Unfortunately, that is a false narrative. Kyle is a good coach who needs elite players to beat good teams just as Brock is a good QB who needs elite players around him to win. I think Bosa could have played last game and I don't think McCaffrey needed to leave and then come back when we were losing. I think the 49ers need that 1 seed and bye. The organization needs to be better.

You're saying they held Bosa out and CMC (in game) to prove that Kyle doesn't need elite players to win?

That's pretty crazy man.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
Glad we are getting players back and trading for some. Kyle is a likable coach who players enjoy playing for. Kyle is a good coach but he is not elite. Atlanta's loss was an example of the organization trying to find ways to prove Kyle is elite by winning without good players playing. Unfortunately, that is a false narrative. Kyle is a good coach who needs elite players to beat good teams just as Brock is a good QB who needs elite players around him to win. I think Bosa could have played last game and I don't think McCaffrey needed to leave and then come back when we were losing. I think the 49ers need that 1 seed and bye. The organization needs to be better.

You're saying they held Bosa out and CMC (in game) to prove that Kyle doesn't need elite players to win?

That's pretty crazy man.

He's saying a lot of crazy s**t, bat s**t worthy

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
He's saying a lot of crazy s**t, bat s**t worthy

I mean you could see how heavy CMC was going to be used in that game until he went out, and of course in the past as well. Kyle has consistently used his best players heavily.

Not to mention, outside of the view of a tiny minority of people, Kyle is well established as an elite coach already.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
You're saying they held Bosa out and CMC (in game) to prove that Kyle doesn't need elite players to win?

That's pretty crazy man.

Yes. It's a narrative since last year that the 49ers organization has been writing. Last year with a bad team we had an easy schedule and beat the teams we were supposed to. But we lost the must win games against good teams at home against Rams and Seattle and blown out. We won in playoffs against a shady philly team and then game over in first quarter at seattle. There was no narrative.

Hopefully the Atlanta game will finally stop that narrative. The organization was seeing how far that narrative could be pushed. Vegas never bought the narrative as they had 49ers favored 2.5 although i'm
surprised we were not 2 point underdogs.

There are several NFL analysts that have said as long as Kyle makes bad decisions in high pressure games like championship games and super bowls he will never win a super bowl.

That said, I am glad Kyle is our coach and I think he is a good coach. He's likable and other players like Evans take pay cuts to come play for him. He has to be better though.

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
There are several NFL analysts that have said as long as Kyle makes bad decisions in high pressure games like championship games and super bowls he will never win a super bowl.

That said, I am glad Kyle is our coach and I think he is a good coach. He's likable and other players like Evans take pay cuts to come play for him. He has to be better though.

So NFL analysts are saying Kyle's teams won't win a title if he is making bad decisions in big games?

Very insightful from them.

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
So NFL analysts are saying Kyle's teams won't win a title if he is making bad decisions in big games?

Very insightful from them.

They just pointed out that in very big games he has made some costly mistakes that cost his team the win. Refer to Atlanta super bowl and last super bowl against chiefs.

i do have faith Kyle will get over the hump 😊

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
They just pointed out that in very big games he has made some costly mistakes that cost his team the win. Refer to Atlanta super bowl and last super bowl against chiefs.

i do have faith Kyle will get over the hump 😊

LOL

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
So NFL analysts are saying Kyle's teams won't win a title if he is making bad decisions in big games?

Very insightful from them.

They just pointed out that in very big games he has made some costly mistakes that cost his team the win. Refer to Atlanta super bowl and last super bowl against chiefs.

i do have faith Kyle will get over the hump 😊

His superbowl against the Chiefs? I assume you're talking about the most recent one, but either way this revisionist b******t needs to stop. It's easy to scapegoat one person, but our players lost us that game.

Originally posted by Chance:
His superbowl against the Chiefs? I assume you're talking about the most recent one, but either way this revisionist b******t needs to stop. It's easy to scapegoat one person, but our players lost us that game.

The way some morons talk about "what an elite HC should do", if the 49ers started high school varsity players and got wrecked, they would use that as an "Ah Ha!" moment to prove that Shanahan isn't a good coach.

Originally posted by Chance:
His superbowl against the Chiefs? I assume you're talking about the most recent one, but either way this revisionist b******t needs to stop. It's easy to scapegoat one person, but our players lost us that game.

We are all entitled to our opinions on here. This is a free speech forum.

Originally posted by SB49er4life:
The way some morons talk about "what an elite HC should do", if the 49ers started high school varsity players and got wrecked, they would use that as an "Ah Ha!" moment to prove that Shanahan isn't a good coach.

I did not say he wasn't good. I said at this point in time he is not elite.

I will provide an example of what I am talking about.

Last week at home against Washington, we had to punt with 1 minute left and we still had 3 timeouts. The goal was to pin Washington as far back and have the minute expire without them scoring a TD.

Kyle took an intentional delay of game that pushed us back an extra 5 yards. As the game clock was ticking down to 1 minute left and the play clock was expiring, you take a timeout and not a delay of game.

You can't make those mistakes in super bowls. Good teams will make it hurt.

As it turned out, although this was not Kyle's fault, we got an unnecessary conduct on punt as well and now Washington already had ball at midfield.

So the 2025 Divisional game against Seattle was a big game because the 49ers and Shanahan lost, but the 2019 and 2023 NFC Championship Games were not big games because the 49ers and Shanahan won. Got it.

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
I will provide an example of what I am talking about.

Last week at home against Washington, we had to punt with 1 minute left and we still had 3 timeouts. The goal was to pin Washington as far back and have the minute expire without them scoring a TD.

Kyle took an intentional delay of game that pushed us back an extra 5 yards. As the game clock was ticking down to 1 minute left and the play clock was expiring, you take a timeout and not a delay of game.

You can't make those mistakes in super bowls. Good teams will make it hurt.

As it turned out, although this was not Kyle's fault, we got an unnecessary conduct on punt as well and now Washington already had ball at midfield.

Agree that was a mistake, but disagree it's all that meaningful (in terms of forming a judgement of Kyle's ability as a coach).

Some of Kyle's warts IMO are clock management and pacing issues.

The thing is that he's not the only coach that has these particular warts… some of whom are Super Bowl winners… and all coaches have warts of some type.