49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
This sort of. Those fans have made their stance that Kyle needs to be fired and enjoy rubbing it in the Kyle fans whenever the team loses. Not that they want the team to lose but they don't hate losing as they get to talk out of their ass about how Kyle isn't a good enough coach.

Only way the 9ers are going to fire Kyle is if they lose. If you want Kyle fired you want the 9ers to lose.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Condolences to the Kyle haters

it was a rough one today

Not a single person with the slightest knowledge of the game thought the Dolphins had a chance to win today lmao laugh at the "Shanahan haters" in January or February, not week 2 vs a "rebuilding team"

Glad you boys are in good spirits despite the results today

Shanahan didn't "shut the haters up" by beating the dolphins in week 2. If you think he's the greatest, then this game didn't do anything to change that opinion, if you think he's a fraud who chokes on the biggest stage, well… then this game or really any other game that isn't the nfc championship or Super Bowl (maybe beating the chiefs in december) is going to give them second thoughts, not saying I agree or disagree, it's just how it is

I never said he "shut the haters up", we are all well aware you guys will never shut up

Shut up about what? Again. Nobody here wants or enjoys Shanahan losing, and nobody actually thought they had a chance of losing today . but there are still plenty of fans who doubt if he can get over the hump, today's results did nothing to change those opinion. But that's a long ways from now so it's really pointless to discuss it until then. I just thought it was funny that beating one of the worst teams in the league is a "rough day" for "Shanahan haters"

Beat Seattle in a few weeks, and that will go a long ways to bring more support. Beating the Dolphins is not going to change a lot of minds, but I would say past KS games like this would just have him lay off the gas and the game would be closer than it should be. A lot of times we would play down to the opponent in the past and that did not happen against Miami.

I agree with this honestly. We did what we had to do. This game doesn't move the needle for me. It's why I felt very confident going into this game because between Kyle and our vets I knew the only shot the Dolphins had would be an insane amount of key injuries early...thankfully that didn't happen. Sadly we ended up losing a couple of guys anyways tho it still didn't matter.

I love what I'm seeing from Brock and Kyle so far this year but I need to see it vs Denver and Seattle(on the road) that to me will be the real test. I expect them to take it to this Dolphins team without their best pass rusher.

What does annoy me is that eventually Kyle/Brock will have an off game(hopefully get it out of the way in the regular season and save the best for the hopeful postseason) and those people will ignore all the good on their way to bash them.

But yes - I need to see them vs the top defenses in the league. We'll have to see whether the Rams were a legit test or an illusion cuz of the Australia factor.

This discussion is where both sides are right Kyle needs to finish the season with a trophy 🏆. I think Kyle has put on a amazing display of offensive play calling and game plans. He is probably one of the best or the best offensive minds out there.

The things he does poorly, ignoring the O line (Center and LG). The Rams game was jet lagged and the Dolphins are bad. I also want to see how we do against Seattle's D. McDonald's always had our number back to the Ravens.

Bottom line, who's better out there to replace him is the biggest issue. I don't know anyone...

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
This sort of. Those fans have made their stance that Kyle needs to be fired and enjoy rubbing it in the Kyle fans whenever the team loses. Not that they want the team to lose but they don't hate losing as they get to talk out of their ass about how Kyle isn't a good enough coach.

Only way the 9ers are going to fire Kyle is if they lose. If you want Kyle fired you want the 9ers to lose.

No disagreement here. And this is the internet so those that want Kyle fired will never admit they were wrong cause opinions of strangers matters too much to some people.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
This sort of. Those fans have made their stance that Kyle needs to be fired and enjoy rubbing it in the Kyle fans whenever the team loses. Not that they want the team to lose but they don't hate losing as they get to talk out of their ass about how Kyle isn't a good enough coach.

Only way the 9ers are going to fire Kyle is if they lose. If you want Kyle fired you want the 9ers to lose.

No disagreement here. And this is the internet so those that want Kyle fired will never admit they were wrong cause opinions of strangers matters too much to some people.

that's why they couch the entire argument in well he hasn't won a ring yet has he, a very cheap tactic, just wait for it i sense it coming any second now...

If Kyle can find a way to score 20+ points and get a win against Seattle in a few weeks, then I think this year may be a Great chance to finally get that Ring. Seattle's McDonald Defense has been Kyle's Achilles Heel and he needs to show he can overcome it.

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:

Originally posted by Mankster:
Sometimes we act like KC is some mythical final boss when history already gave us the blueprint. The 1994 Niners didn't sit around talking about how "unbeatable" the Cowboys were — they punched them in the mouth in the NFC Championship, ended the streak, and went on to win the Super Bowl.Dynasties don't get erased by avoidance. They get erased the same way Dallas got erased in '94 — by lining up, swinging first, and taking what's yours.

Mythical? Absolutely not. Just ask Tom Brady led teams or the Eagles. But they do have the 49ers number. No question about it.

The 1994 49ers got Deion Sanders, Ken Norton, Rickey Jackson etc to help get over the hump to beat Dallas. Who did this team get? Mike Evans? Maybe.

Very true, but…Dion didn't play til week 3 so maybe Evans is that someone that helps push us over the hunp. …or maybe our MASH squad comes back in time to help us make the push.

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
If Kyle can find a way to score 20+ points and get a win against Seattle in a few weeks, then I think this year may be a Great chance to finally get that Ring. Seattle's McDonald Defense has been Kyle's Achilles Heel and he needs to show he can overcome it.

is anyone else just not that impressed with mike mcdonald? i mean sure he got his ring but that pats team isn't very talented on offense. and we were decimated. only real opposition was rams and rams would move up and down on mcdonald. that's how we will probably do on mcdonald as well should we be remotely healthy. seattle was getting into shootouts with the rams iirc. this isn't the 85 bears

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
If Kyle can find a way to score 20+ points and get a win against Seattle in a few weeks, then I think this year may be a Great chance to finally get that Ring. Seattle's McDonald Defense has been Kyle's Achilles Heel and he needs to show he can overcome it.

is anyone else just not that impressed with mike mcdonald? i mean sure he got his ring but that pats team isn't very talented on offense. and we were decimated. only real opposition was rams and rams would move up and down on mcdonald. that's how we will probably do on mcdonald as well should we be remotely healthy. seattle was getting into shootouts with the rams iirc. this isn't the 85 bears

It's not Mickey D's coaching alone.. I believe that Kyle just isn't there yet as a TRUE HC, he designs play that are smart, but he doesn't game plan around opponents' weaknesses. the fact that he got the title WAYYY TOOO EARLY, as The Best Young Mind in Football has made him overrated. ..

Plus, he just have the Kyle Injury Jinx that he brings to this team.

Originally posted by 9moon:
It's not Mickey D's coaching alone.. I believe that Kyle just isn't there yet as a TRUE HC, he designs play that are smart, but he doesn't game plan around opponents' weaknesses. the fact that he got the title WAYYY TOOO EARLY, as The Best Young Mind in Football has made him overrated. ..

Plus, he just have the Kyle Injury Jinx that he brings to this team.

What Dolphin weakness did he not gameplan around?

If you wanna see an example of an awful gamplan put on the Minnesota Mississippi state game tape.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by genus49:
I agree with this honestly. We did what we had to do. This game doesn't move the needle for me. It's why I felt very confident going into this game because between Kyle and our vets I knew the only shot the Dolphins had would be an insane amount of key injuries early...thankfully that didn't happen. Sadly we ended up losing a couple of guys anyways tho it still didn't matter.

I love what I'm seeing from Brock and Kyle so far this year but I need to see it vs Denver and Seattle(on the road) that to me will be the real test. I expect them to take it to this Dolphins team without their best pass rusher.

What does annoy me is that eventually Kyle/Brock will have an off game(hopefully get it out of the way in the regular season and save the best for the hopeful postseason) and those people will ignore all the good on their way to bash them.

But yes - I need to see them vs the top defenses in the league. We'll have to see whether the Rams were a legit test or an illusion cuz of the Australia factor.

I've always thought the issue is defense with Kyle. In other words, Kyle's offenses will always be good (or productive - in a sense). Give him offensive chicken 💩💩💩 he'll make chicken salad.

If there is a weakness with Kyle its with his defenses. This year its run defense. Years previously - its been pass defense.

What i like about this years defenses is scheme flexibility. Raheem doesn't have the personnel (and probably will never have) the kind of players that can dominate the run and shut it down like the steel curtain days of old. But he can stop the run with his scheme change up's. He has all these hybrid players that can start crowding the LOS on runs or drop back into coverage on passes. So Raheem is the Kyle Shanahan of defenses (at least i'm hoping he's more like Mike MacDonald) versus the Demeco and Saleh's of the NFL.

To a degree. We had some terrific defenses under Kyle(until other teams poached our DCs) but the offense was limited by the QB play. Right now Brock and Kyle are in a clear groove so they're extra productive(though like any QB you can only do so much with poor players...so we need to avoid further injury to our top guys)

We'll see how Raheem's D progresses. I do think going from Saleh to Raheem hurt us on the personnel front. In order to attract Saleh last year we clearly gave him the green light to bring in his guys. He ran the draft and we have Mykel, Alfred, Martin, Stout and CJ West in the first 5 picks.

Raheem comes in without the same green light though we did make some big moves with the addition of Osa via trade and bringing back Greenlaw. Mykel still out at least another 2 weeks. Alfred and any potential he had is gone until at best next season. CJ looks to be regressing in Raheem's scheme. Martin is on IR and who knows if he'll get any playing time. Stout at least is still playing great. Clearly DBs are Raheem's strength.

I'll be curious if we end up trading for someone this year but my guess is we'll give him a better draft haul next draft. For now we better hope our key DLmen stay healthy and we manage to clean up our tackling.

Originally posted by 9moon:
It's not Mickey D's coaching alone.. I believe that Kyle just isn't there yet as a TRUE HC, he designs play that are smart, but he doesn't game plan around opponents' weaknesses. the fact that he got the title WAYYY TOOO EARLY, as The Best Young Mind in Football has made him overrated. ..

Plus, he just have the Kyle Injury Jinx that he brings to this team.

This is such a ridiculous post on so many levels. You simply don't have even CLOSE to the offensive success he's had for 10+ years as a HC and OC without gameplanning opponent's weaknesses. This is just a completely baseless statement.

"Kyle injure jinx" is also a meaningless comment. Unless he is forcing injured players onto the field, which he is not, coaching has nothing to do with injuries. It's football. It's a violent sport and injuries happen. Could there be some smoke with the substation thing? Sure, but that has nothing to do with coaching.

You people will complain about anything. Kyle Shanahan is as good of a HC as there is in the NFL, the only argument is "he hasn't won a Super Bowl', well there is A LOT of luck that goes into winning Super Bowl's for ever team, every year. Same type of people ran Andy Reid out of Philly.

Originally posted by bassmanr:
This discussion is where both sides are right Kyle needs to finish the season with a trophy 🏆. I think Kyle has put on a amazing display of offensive play calling and game plans. He is probably one of the best or the best offensive minds out there.

The things he does poorly, ignoring the O line (Center and LG). The Rams game was jet lagged and the Dolphins are bad. I also want to see how we do against Seattle's D. McDonald's always had our number back to the Ravens.

Bottom line, who's better out there to replace him is the biggest issue. I don't know anyone...

This is not accurate.

Originally posted by 9moon:
It's not Mickey D's coaching alone.. I believe that Kyle just isn't there yet as a TRUE HC, he designs play that are smart, but he doesn't game plan around opponents' weaknesses. the fact that he got the title WAYYY TOOO EARLY, as The Best Young Mind in Football has made him overrated. ..

Plus, he just have the Kyle Injury Jinx that he brings to this team.

Do you even know what you're talking about here? Like honestly how are you guys not embarrassed to post stuff like this?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
This discussion is where both sides are right Kyle needs to finish the season with a trophy 🏆. I think Kyle has put on a amazing display of offensive play calling and game plans. He is probably one of the best or the best offensive minds out there.

The things he does poorly, ignoring the O line (Center and LG). The Rams game was jet lagged and the Dolphins are bad. I also want to see how we do against Seattle's D. McDonald's always had our number back to the Ravens.

Bottom line, who's better out there to replace him is the biggest issue. I don't know anyone...

This is not accurate.

In what way?

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
This discussion is where both sides are right Kyle needs to finish the season with a trophy 🏆. I think Kyle has put on a amazing display of offensive play calling and game plans. He is probably one of the best or the best offensive minds out there.

The things he does poorly, ignoring the O line (Center and LG). The Rams game was jet lagged and the Dolphins are bad. I also want to see how we do against Seattle's D. McDonald's always had our number back to the Ravens.

Bottom line, who's better out there to replace him is the biggest issue. I don't know anyone...

This is not accurate.

In what way?

for one thing, Seattle is 3-2 vs SF with MM as head coach. it's been even, except for the last lopsided playoff game (where half our team was injured). some people on here seem to have blocked our wins against him from their minds.