49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:
The problem with that is you can't give players crap for freelancing when doing so gives up big plays - which btw is typically what happens when guys don't do their job and "try to make a play"

We literally had that in several guys in that SB who cost us the game more than Bosa's inability to make a tough play on 4th and 1 vs one of the best QBs in the sport.

You had Burford "going with his gut" and not doing what his responsibility is on the play and blowing our opportunity to go up by a TD in OT.
You had McCloud "trying to make a play" and allowing KC to get possession of the football inside our 20 yard line instantly flipping momentum and totally changing that game.

This is the Kyle Shanahan thread and you and others have no problem blaming him for things he shouldn't even get blame for and yet here we are where a player does his job that he's coached to do and you have a problem there too.

Pick a lane.

Great players have the instinct to go off script. Burford doesn't change that. Didn't you watch guys like Polamalu? Sorry if I'd like to see the dpoy show that kind of greatness on a big play

You're exposing yourself like a casual here. Troy played within the scheme, he's a safety. That position has a lot more room to roam and make plays. If you get your DLmen doing their own thing that's how you get huge plays in the run game. They have to play within the scheme or it will be a disaster.

Like I said you're all over the place. Either it was a magical play that Andy dialed up for a key moment or Bosa somehow didn't blow it up.

You want to bring up Romo's comments...how about the DC not relaying that to his defense? Stick with Mahomes. Go back and watch the other run plays on that drive...though that would require you to actually pay attention to the details.

Originally posted by TD49ers:
A source for what? Its PM on 4th down in OT of a SB and he not accounted for. Its a read option run play, you have proection inside, how about account for PM. Seems like anyone could have said that comment that watched the play.

Bosa crashes inside without reading the play. If he wasnt outside contain and the assignment was blown or a bad play call, then why didnt he not recognize that and hedge towards Mahomes.

You sure about that?

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
We could have lined Tony frickin Romo up at DE and he would have had the instincts to affect that play more than our dpoy did. Here's his comments after the play

"Do you really think you would ever, with the sb on the line, just say Patrick give it somebody else? He's the running back always under a 4th down situation with the game on the line. Do not ever fall for the running play on 4th down ever again"

Site your source please. I don't remember seeing this quote.

A source for what? Its PM on 4th down in OT of a SB and he not accounted for. Its a read option run play, you have proection inside, how about account for PM. Seems like anyone could have said that comment that watched the play.

Bosa crashes inside without reading the play. If he wasnt outside contain and the assignment was blown or a bad play call, then why didnt he not recognize that and hedge towards Mahomes.

Here is a look on the play. Bosa isn't flying in blind. He's 100% looking at the handoff but he also has Kelce coming across to muddy up the look. They were handing the ball off almost that whole drive.

You basically want him running in at Mahomes no matter what. Which is a ridiculous take cuz Mahomes can either hand it off to Pacheco and with one less guy in the box 1 yard run isn't something crazy or he can flick it to Kelce coming across.

What you all should be complaining about is that we didn't have anyone coming in to replace Bosa's spot.

If it was 4th and 2+ you'd have a gripe. But handing off to the RB is a very real possibility there given the distance.

They literally handed it off to Pacheco twice in the 3 plays prior to that one. You want to blame someone...blame the DC who had him crash down inside without bringing someone in to take Mahomes, though he likely would've just thrown it for the first in that situation.

for our next topic might i suggest we look at bahr making the field goal, craig fumbling, kyle williams on return duty, kick return td for ravens, kaepernick at the goal line trying to throw with touch, any other suggestions crew?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
for our next topic might i suggest we look at bahr making the field goal, craig fumbling, kyle williams on return duty, kick return td for ravens, kaepernick at the goal line trying to throw with touch, any other suggestions crew?

Himmy G throwing with his eyes closed.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
for our next topic might i suggest we look at bahr making the field goal, craig fumbling, kyle williams on return duty, kick return td for ravens, kaepernick at the goal line trying to throw with touch, any other suggestions crew?

I can't wait for rookies to show up tomorrow...can't believe these dues making me pull up that damn game again 2.5 years later.

Originally posted by genus49:
I can't wait for rookies to show up tomorrow...can't believe these dues making me pull up that damn game again 2.5 years later.

lol that's what they were talking on knbr, training camp starts soon
can't wait

Originally posted by genus49:

You're exposing yourself like a casual here. Troy played within the scheme, he's a safety. That position has a lot more room to roam and make plays. If you get your DLmen doing their own thing that's how you get huge plays in the run game. They have to play within the scheme or it will be a disaster.

Like I said you're all over the place. Either it was a magical play that Andy dialed up for a key moment or Bosa somehow didn't blow it up.

You want to bring up Romo's comments...how about the DC not relaying that to his defense? Stick with Mahomes. Go back and watch the other run plays on that drive...though that would require you to actually pay attention to the details.

It's not that crazy to have guessed that Mahomes was going to keep it on that play. 90% chance he's keeping it there so it would have been a gamble worth taking. I don't see how that play ends up any worse by going straight at Mahomes like he should have

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:
You're exposing yourself like a casual here. Troy played within the scheme, he's a safety. That position has a lot more room to roam and make plays. If you get your DLmen doing their own thing that's how you get huge plays in the run game. They have to play within the scheme or it will be a disaster.

Like I said you're all over the place. Either it was a magical play that Andy dialed up for a key moment or Bosa somehow didn't blow it up.

You want to bring up Romo's comments...how about the DC not relaying that to his defense? Stick with Mahomes. Go back and watch the other run plays on that drive...though that would require you to actually pay attention to the details.

It's not that crazy to have guessed that Mahomes was going to keep it on that play. 90% chance he's keeping it there so it would have been a gamble worth taking. I don't see how that play ends up any worse by going straight at Mahomes like he should have

Pretty easy to say that when you know the result of the play. Especially if he's reading Nick. So that 90% goes to 10% real quick had Nick stayed outside.

And this is also why your takes of Andy having these magic plays drawn up vs Kyle not is not it. Sometimes you just gets a great call vs a defense and it looks like it was just a magical play somehow.

But funny thing is when you're playing a playcaller as good as Andy and a QB as good as Mahomes when it comes to short down and distance it's incredibly hard to defend them...especially if you don't have a great DC like Spags who will disguise things very well and get incredibly aggressive at the right moment. Tho even that is easier to do when you have all your top players in the game, unlike the 49ers.

Originally posted by genus49:

Pretty easy to say that when you know the result of the play. Especially if he's reading Nick. So that 90% goes to 10% real quick had Nick stayed outside.

And this is also why your takes of Andy having these magic plays drawn up vs Kyle not is not it. Sometimes you just gets a great call vs a defense and it looks like it was just a magical play somehow.

But funny thing is when you're playing a playcaller as good as Andy and a QB as good as Mahomes when it comes to short down and distance it's incredibly hard to defend them...especially if you don't have a great DC like Spags who will disguise things very well and get incredibly aggressive at the right moment. Tho even that is easier to do when you have all your top players in the game, unlike the 49ers.

Kenny Pickett could have hit the Hardman td blindfolded. Kelce literally watched the play happen on a screen lol. If Kyle called a play like that the couple times he had a chance we would have won, but he didnt and Andy was better 🤷‍♂

Wishing our star defensive player had the feel/instinct to blow up the 4th and 1 play doesn't change that

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
We could have lined Tony frickin Romo up at DE and he would have had the instincts to affect that play more than our dpoy did. Here's his comments after the play

"Do you really think you would ever, with the sb on the line, just say Patrick give it somebody else? He's the running back always under a 4th down situation with the game on the line. Do not ever fall for the running play on 4th down ever again"

Site your source please. I don't remember seeing this quote.

A source for what? Its PM on 4th down in OT of a SB and he not accounted for. Its a read option run play, you have proection inside, how about account for PM. Seems like anyone could have said that comment that watched the play.

Bosa crashes inside without reading the play. If he wasnt outside contain and the assignment was blown or a bad play call, then why didnt he not recognize that and hedge towards Mahomes.

Here is a look on the play. Bosa isn't flying in blind. He's 100% looking at the handoff but he also has Kelce coming across to muddy up the look. They were handing the ball off almost that whole drive.

You basically want him running in at Mahomes no matter what. Which is a ridiculous take cuz Mahomes can either hand it off to Pacheco and with one less guy in the box 1 yard run isn't something crazy or he can flick it to Kelce coming across.

What you all should be complaining about is that we didn't have anyone coming in to replace Bosa's spot.

If it was 4th and 2+ you'd have a gripe. But handing off to the RB is a very real possibility there given the distance.

They literally handed it off to Pacheco twice in the 3 plays prior to that one. You want to blame someone...blame the DC who had him crash down inside without bringing someone in to take Mahomes, though he likely would've just thrown it for the first in that situation.

He is inside Kelce which means he was crashing inside no matter what. If Kekce is coming across the line that screams outside run. Again, 4th and 1 with game on the line and ball is going to Pacheco?

BTW, to your theory, WTF is Warner doing then?

Originally posted by braap49er:
Longest 10 days ever.

Longest 9 days ever.

Originally posted by TD49ers:
He is inside Kelce which means he was crashing inside no matter what. If Kekce is coming across the line that screams outside run. Again, 4th and 1 with game on the line and ball is going to Pacheco?

BTW, to your theory, WTF is Warner doing then?

To your credit, you're getting there.

Originally posted by braap49er:

Originally posted by braap49er:
Longest 10 days ever.

Longest 9 days ever.

progress

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:
Pretty easy to say that when you know the result of the play. Especially if he's reading Nick. So that 90% goes to 10% real quick had Nick stayed outside.

And this is also why your takes of Andy having these magic plays drawn up vs Kyle not is not it. Sometimes you just gets a great call vs a defense and it looks like it was just a magical play somehow.

But funny thing is when you're playing a playcaller as good as Andy and a QB as good as Mahomes when it comes to short down and distance it's incredibly hard to defend them...especially if you don't have a great DC like Spags who will disguise things very well and get incredibly aggressive at the right moment. Tho even that is easier to do when you have all your top players in the game, unlike the 49ers.

Kenny Pickett could have hit the Hardman td blindfolded. Kelce literally watched the play happen on a screen lol. If Kyle called a play like that the couple times he had a chance we would have won, but he didnt and Andy was better 🤷‍♂

Wishing our star defensive player had the feel/instinct to blow up the 4th and 1 play doesn't change that

My god man...you don't get it do you?

The fact that you're using a 1st and goal 3 yard play as Andy Reid's magic example 1 is just that much more hilarious.

I ask again...where were these magic plays in Andy's first 18 years as an NFL HC? Where were they last year? Since you seem to think he's got a bag full that he saves when it's time to win the game.