49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Using online media reports for drafting isn't ideal. PM didn't go 3-4 rounds later he went in the top of the first round! AR had to sign off on this as he is the HC & OC. Not to mention we reach for less talented guys all the time. Saying that this was all an accident by AR is mind blowing, accidents happen in round 7.

You ignored the rest of my post. Be honest with yourself, if you were a firs time HC and your offense is very specific and pro style. Are you putting your career on the line to take a guy who many felt wasn't a fit for a pro system in the top 3? When your team has so many other holes and you have a guy you're 100% confident CAN run your system available for no draft capital in a year?

Andy Reid was a long time HC who didn't have much on the line. His team was already good and he had Alex as a fallback plan if Mahomes didn't workout.

Like I said giving him all that credit simply isn't fair when HE pushed for Paxton Lynch and was lucky enough to be saved from that giant mistake by a division rival of all things.

Imagine where Andy is ranked now without Chris Jones and Paxton Lynch instead of Mahomes? Shanahan got thrown a curveball with the Jimmy G trade and still made the SB and really should've beaten Andy and Mahomes twice if the players execute what's called(or if the refs don't have blinders on).

This is not the argument, the argument was that A.R is inferior to KS as a Head Coach & Offensive Mind. You rehashing the KS excuse for taking Solomon Thomas over Mahomes in round 1 is how we got here.

Andy Reid did just that, he had roster issues and still traded into the 1st to grab his future HOF QB.

Ok so now you want to argue that Andy Reid had roster issues on a 12-4 team?

We've seen Kyle Shanahan without the top QB in the NFL and it's been 2 SB trips with 2 other NFCCG appearances with the 2 SB loses coming at the hands of that QB and refs doing us no favors.

What's Andy Reid's track record without Mahomes? 11-12 in the playoffs in 18 seasons.

With Mahomes 17-4.

Boy guess Andy really figured out how to be his best self in year 21? Or just maybe Patrick Mahomes learning how to read defenses and developing in that 2019 season had something to do with it?

Andy Reid had nothing to lose. He had a 12-4 roster with few holes and was well into his coaching career where his system didn't result in anything special.

Kyle Shanahan was going into his first season as an NFL HC and was hired for his system.

If you can't understand the difference then I don't know what to tell you.

Why act as though Reid didn't go to 5 NFC Championship games and a super bowl with the Eagles before even going to the chiefs? Saying that this is nothing while propping up KS super bowl loses and NFC Championships is a little nuts wouldn't you say? Especially when both had action at the same QB and one held the #3 overall pick.

I'm not understanding the argument here.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Using online media reports for drafting isn't ideal. PM didn't go 3-4 rounds later he went in the top of the first round! AR had to sign off on this as he is the HC & OC. Not to mention we reach for less talented guys all the time. Saying that this was all an accident by AR is mind blowing, accidents happen in round 7.

You ignored the rest of my post. Be honest with yourself, if you were a firs time HC and your offense is very specific and pro style. Are you putting your career on the line to take a guy who many felt wasn't a fit for a pro system in the top 3? When your team has so many other holes and you have a guy you're 100% confident CAN run your system available for no draft capital in a year?

Andy Reid was a long time HC who didn't have much on the line. His team was already good and he had Alex as a fallback plan if Mahomes didn't workout.

Like I said giving him all that credit simply isn't fair when HE pushed for Paxton Lynch and was lucky enough to be saved from that giant mistake by a division rival of all things.

Imagine where Andy is ranked now without Chris Jones and Paxton Lynch instead of Mahomes? Shanahan got thrown a curveball with the Jimmy G trade and still made the SB and really should've beaten Andy and Mahomes twice if the players execute what's called(or if the refs don't have blinders on).

This is not the argument, the argument was that A.R is inferior to KS as a Head Coach & Offensive Mind. You rehashing the KS excuse for taking Solomon Thomas over Mahomes in round 1 is how we got here.

Andy Reid did just that, he had roster issues and still traded into the 1st to grab his future HOF QB.

Ok so now you want to argue that Andy Reid had roster issues on a 12-4 team?

We've seen Kyle Shanahan without the top QB in the NFL and it's been 2 SB trips with 2 other NFCCG appearances with the 2 SB loses coming at the hands of that QB and refs doing us no favors.

What's Andy Reid's track record without Mahomes? 11-12 in the playoffs in 18 seasons.

With Mahomes 17-4.

Boy guess Andy really figured out how to be his best self in year 21? Or just maybe Patrick Mahomes learning how to read defenses and developing in that 2019 season had something to do with it?

Andy Reid had nothing to lose. He had a 12-4 roster with few holes and was well into his coaching career where his system didn't result in anything special.

Kyle Shanahan was going into his first season as an NFL HC and was hired for his system.

If you can't understand the difference then I don't know what to tell you.

Why act as though Reid didn't go to 5 NFC Championship games and a super bowl with the Eagles before even going to the chiefs? Saying that this is nothing while propping up KS super bowl loses and NFC Championships is a little nuts wouldn't you say? Especially when both had action at the same QB and one held the #3 overall pick.

I'm not understanding the argument here.

Because Andy Reid didn't do those things with a Jimmy Garoppolo or even a Brock Purdy. And considering people like you are propping up Andy as being better than Kyle it's because he won SBs. Not because he got close with the Eagles.

And yes it's clear you're not understanding the argument. My guess is on purpose too because it's pretty clear the differences of the two coaches and teams when that QB was available in that draft.

I love my coach

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Using online media reports for drafting isn't ideal. PM didn't go 3-4 rounds later he went in the top of the first round! AR had to sign off on this as he is the HC & OC. Not to mention we reach for less talented guys all the time. Saying that this was all an accident by AR is mind blowing, accidents happen in round 7.

You ignored the rest of my post. Be honest with yourself, if you were a firs time HC and your offense is very specific and pro style. Are you putting your career on the line to take a guy who many felt wasn't a fit for a pro system in the top 3? When your team has so many other holes and you have a guy you're 100% confident CAN run your system available for no draft capital in a year?

Andy Reid was a long time HC who didn't have much on the line. His team was already good and he had Alex as a fallback plan if Mahomes didn't workout.

Like I said giving him all that credit simply isn't fair when HE pushed for Paxton Lynch and was lucky enough to be saved from that giant mistake by a division rival of all things.

Imagine where Andy is ranked now without Chris Jones and Paxton Lynch instead of Mahomes? Shanahan got thrown a curveball with the Jimmy G trade and still made the SB and really should've beaten Andy and Mahomes twice if the players execute what's called(or if the refs don't have blinders on).

This is not the argument, the argument was that A.R is inferior to KS as a Head Coach & Offensive Mind. You rehashing the KS excuse for taking Solomon Thomas over Mahomes in round 1 is how we got here.

Andy Reid did just that, he had roster issues and still traded into the 1st to grab his future HOF QB.

Ok so now you want to argue that Andy Reid had roster issues on a 12-4 team?

We've seen Kyle Shanahan without the top QB in the NFL and it's been 2 SB trips with 2 other NFCCG appearances with the 2 SB loses coming at the hands of that QB and refs doing us no favors.

What's Andy Reid's track record without Mahomes? 11-12 in the playoffs in 18 seasons.

With Mahomes 17-4.

Boy guess Andy really figured out how to be his best self in year 21? Or just maybe Patrick Mahomes learning how to read defenses and developing in that 2019 season had something to do with it?

Andy Reid had nothing to lose. He had a 12-4 roster with few holes and was well into his coaching career where his system didn't result in anything special.

Kyle Shanahan was going into his first season as an NFL HC and was hired for his system.

If you can't understand the difference then I don't know what to tell you.

Why act as though Reid didn't go to 5 NFC Championship games and a super bowl with the Eagles before even going to the chiefs? Saying that this is nothing while propping up KS super bowl loses and NFC Championships is a little nuts wouldn't you say? Especially when both had action at the same QB and one held the #3 overall pick.

I'm not understanding the argument here.

Because Andy Reid didn't do those things with a Jimmy Garoppolo or even a Brock Purdy. And considering people like you are propping up Andy as being better than Kyle it's because he won SBs. Not because he got close with the Eagles.

And yes it's clear you're not understanding the argument. My guess is on purpose too because it's pretty clear the differences of the two coaches and teams when that QB was available in that draft.

You may not know this, but you're being trolled lol

I just pray that the fake ghost of Marv Levy isn't living inside of Shanny He is starting to look like a young one

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:
BUT what you continue to NOT include here is that Shanny himself said that Pat was a FREAK OF NATURE after he worked him out...

now, why did the SO CALLED Best Young Mind in Football stay away from this FREAK OF NATURE when he didn't even have Cousins yet?

to make it worst, he traded the entire ranch on a kid who only played one full year in college when he still has a QB that took the team to the Super Bowl?

really smart ... really smart..

Quick show me where Shanahan himself said Pat was a FREAK OF NATURE before or shortly after the draft...not after he broke out and became an elite QB.

Soon as you can do that I'll address the rest of your post.

You're a genus, I'm sure you can learn how to do your own search... it's not that hard, trust me..

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 9moon:
BUT what you continue to NOT include here is that Shanny himself said that Pat was a FREAK OF NATURE after he worked him out...

now, why did the SO CALLED Best Young Mind in Football stay away from this FREAK OF NATURE when he didn't even have Cousins yet?

to make it worst, he traded the entire ranch on a kid who only played one full year in college when he still has a QB that took the team to the Super Bowl?

really smart ... really smart..

Half truths. He didnt work Mahomes out. He looked at this tape and said he could make all the throws and thats all he did. But if you are honest with yourself that isn't nearly enough to justify a top 3 pick. Lots of QBs can make all the throws. Mahomes was a gamble that paid off no doubt about that. If you want to talk about freak of nature i'd call Trey Lance a bigger freak than Mahomes.

You can't talk draft value and sticking with the consensus draft board and still make an argument for picking Mahomes at #3. The 49ers made the consensus pick at 3 and it failed.

__PRESENT

CONSENSUS??

oh damn... who that?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by miked1978:
Half truths. He didnt work Mahomes out. He looked at this tape and said he could make all the throws and thats all he did. But if you are honest with yourself that isn't nearly enough to justify a top 3 pick. Lots of QBs can make all the throws. Mahomes was a gamble that paid off no doubt about that. If you want to talk about freak of nature i'd call Trey Lance a bigger freak than Mahomes.

You can't talk draft value and sticking with the consensus draft board and still make an argument for picking Mahomes at #3. The 49ers made the consensus pick at 3 and it failed.

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lance isn't a freak, lance is a bum. he doesn't do much of anything well, doesn't throw hard or run fast. i just don't see it. at least with zach wilson i can see him flick the wrist and shoot it. i never saw anything like that from lance. ppl saw him running over 190 lb linebackers and thought he was josh allen it was a total joke

... then he comes back and started saying that Purdy has always been better than Lance... of course, he said this after Purdy's success...

SHANNY A JOKE !!

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
It's ignorant because this has been covered in this thread and others a BUNCH of times and I'm confident you were involved in several of them.

Truth? Here is the truth.

1. Andy Reid was not the guy who pushed for Mahomes. It was Brett Veach who wasn't even the GM at the time who heavily pushed for Mahomes and sold him to both Reid and Dorsey(who was the GM)

2. The QB Andy Reid identified as the replacement for Alex Smith was Paxton Lynch. He would've been Andy's choice if Denver didn't trade ahead of them in 2016.

3. Patrick Mahomes wasn't a top 3 prospect in that draft class. The Chiefs got a ton of slack for making that pick at the time. Here is a quick reminder of how most saw that first round at the time, not with these hindsight goggles you guys like to use.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2706180-nfl-draft-2017-round-1-grades-for-every-pick

4. Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan were in VASTLY different parts of their careers. Andy Reid had already been a HC for 18 years with 0 SBs to show for it and 8 years of no appearances beyond the divisional round of the playoffs. He had a QB who was turning 33 years old with clear limitations to how he played the game. Still they were a 12-4 team who underperformed in the playoffs. Them swinging for the fences like that made sense. They were clearly a top level QB away from doing great things.

Meanwhile Shanahan was coming into his first year as a HC for a 2-14 team with a historically bad defense and a roster filled with few cornerstone players. Kyle using a top 3 pick for a QB who virtually nobody saw as a top 3 pick at the time would've been an insane move. Now maybe in hindsight it was the right move but to pretend it was the obvious move is trash.

The truth is we never actually got to see Kyle's vision going into that 2017 NFL draft because his plan was always to go get Kirk Cousins after that 2017 season. The Jimmy G trade changed everything. Shanahan made the logic decision to go with a QB he 100% knew could run his system at a high level over an unproven toolsy QB who many felt would have a tough time with pro systems and had mechanical flaws.

Andy Reid was in a position to be patient with a guy like Mahomes. Mahomes HIMSELF talked about how he would've never turned into the player he is now without being able to sit behind Alex Smith that rookie season and learn how to be a pro.

If Shanahan drafts him at 2/3 he's not sitting. He also has who...Brian Hoyer to learn from?

Trying to give Andy Reid all that credit for Mahomes is laughable. Yes he deserves his kudos in helping develop Mahomes but pretending that gives him an edge over Shanahan is a terrible take.

let kc have their mahomes, he eats his steak burnt with ketchup packets that's classic kansas city mentality, jimmy won us two rings if our dbs can do their jobs

or Shanny just kept running Mostert....

or Shanny had traded for Brady and allow him to compete with Grappy..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:
BUT what you continue to NOT include here is that Shanny himself said that Pat was a FREAK OF NATURE after he worked him out...

now, why did the SO CALLED Best Young Mind in Football stay away from this FREAK OF NATURE when he didn't even have Cousins yet?

to make it worst, he traded the entire ranch on a kid who only played one full year in college when he still has a QB that took the team to the Super Bowl?

really smart ... really smart..

Quick show me where Shanahan himself said Pat was a FREAK OF NATURE before or shortly after the draft...not after he broke out and became an elite QB.

Soon as you can do that I'll address the rest of your post.

You're a genus, I'm sure you can learn how to do your own search... it's not that hard, trust me..

I don't think so bud. If you're going to make statements it's on you to provide proof that you're not talking nonsense.

So I guess no need to respond to the rest of your take.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by miked1978:
Half truths. He didnt work Mahomes out. He looked at this tape and said he could make all the throws and thats all he did. But if you are honest with yourself that isn't nearly enough to justify a top 3 pick. Lots of QBs can make all the throws. Mahomes was a gamble that paid off no doubt about that. If you want to talk about freak of nature i'd call Trey Lance a bigger freak than Mahomes.

You can't talk draft value and sticking with the consensus draft board and still make an argument for picking Mahomes at #3. The 49ers made the consensus pick at 3 and it failed.

__PRESENT

lance isn't a freak, lance is a bum. he doesn't do much of anything well, doesn't throw hard or run fast. i just don't see it. at least with zach wilson i can see him flick the wrist and shoot it. i never saw anything like that from lance. ppl saw him running over 190 lb linebackers and thought he was josh allen it was a total joke

... then he comes back and started saying that Purdy has always been better than Lance... of course, he said this after Purdy's success...

SHANNY A JOKE !!

Yes Shanny is a joke, not your posts.

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
I just pray that the fake ghost of Marv Levy isn't living inside of Shanny He is starting to look like a young one

If Levy had been younger he may have won a SB eventually, Reid style.

Originally posted by 9moon:

or Shanny just kept running Mostert....

or Shanny had traded for Brady and allow him to compete with Grappy..

Or if he planned for ot like Andy (didn't plan for it even though he'd already lost in ot in a sb).

Or if he had go-to plays to seal it like Andy. It hurts seeing how easy Andy schemed up that game winning td

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9moon:
or Shanny just kept running Mostert....

or Shanny had traded for Brady and allow him to compete with Grappy..

Or if he planned for ot like Andy (didn't plan for it even though he'd already lost in ot in a sb).

Or if he had go-to plays to seal it like Andy. It hurts seeing how easy Andy schemed up that game winning td

Stop this nonsense. Shanahan dialed up a play that had 2 guys wide open for TDs. Issue was he didn't have a DC like Spags to stop a mid level offense from marching down the field and scoring a TD.

I can't get over how stupid the "Shanahan didn't prepare for SB OT" narrative is. He literally did exactly what he needed to do but other people failed him and the rest of the squad.

And enough with the "go to plays" baloney. Where were all these magic plays his first 18 years in the league?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9moon:
or Shanny just kept running Mostert....

or Shanny had traded for Brady and allow him to compete with Grappy..

Or if he planned for ot like Andy (didn't plan for it even though he'd already lost in ot in a sb).

Or if he had go-to plays to seal it like Andy. It hurts seeing how easy Andy schemed up that game winning td

Stop this nonsense. Shanahan dialed up a play that had 2 guys wide open for TDs. Issue was he didn't have a DC like Spags to stop a mid level offense from marching down the field and scoring a TD.

I can't get over how stupid the "Shanahan didn't prepare for SB OT" narrative is. He literally did exactly what he needed to do but other people failed him and the rest of the squad.

And enough with the "go to plays" baloney. Where were all these magic plays his first 18 years in the league?

The overtime issue is so overblown. It's flak to cover up the fact that the D didn't do their job. If they had then people would say Kyle did the right thing.