Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
McVay is the only coach I no questions ask put above Kyle. No way on Reid.
mcvay is the same tree, they are very similar. i think head to head is one of the best matchups in the nfl. that's the coaching battle of our time. i think shanny has a big edge over mcvay lifetime, i could be wrong, but just in terms of the record.
So you think KS should be placed higher than the coach who beat him in two super bowls?
Each time Reid did it, he used his offense late in the game ala Walsh & Montana to come back for those wins so he's also edging KS at his own strength as an offensive guru. I bleed Red & Gold but… Come on!
Chiefs didn't win those SBs cuz of their offense. Even in 2019 with their juggernaut offense it was really their defense that helped them close that game out. We just needed 1 first down to really secure that game and Chris Jones and that defense did their job. Not to mention the refs putting on blinders to holding has nothing to do with coaching.
2023 was a total defensive masterclass without which that final drive never happens. That's on Spags. And I can guarantee you if Shanahan had a DC like that for that game we're 100% walking away with that trophy.
I wouldn't even put McVay over Kyle...though I can understand someone who would. Right now the only thing Sean has on Kyle was that SB win and yet McVay was outcoached big time in that NFCCG, if not for Stafford making the plays he did and the 49ers making the mistakes they did McVay goes 0-3 against Kyle that season.
If there is any coach right now who Kyle doesn't have a logical basis of being better than...unfortunately it's the guy in Seattle. But the sample size is small(but impressive)
I lot of hypotheticals and excuses in that post, the fact of the matter is that we were up and then we lost when they came back via there offense scoring TD's.
The Chiefs even had a walk-off TD in OT with that Tom & Jerry play to win the super bowl, I love Kyle but he can't do that.
You are right, the Chiefs also had a killer Defense but They also had the offense to come back and beat the Bills when the Bills scored a go ahead TD with like 19 seconds left in the game. Once again I love Kyle but he can't do that.
There are no excuses in my post. They're facts on what happened in those games and the hypotheticals are based on pretty simple logic.
I also have no idea why you're bringing up the Chiefs scoring vs the Bills like that when it wasn't during the season we're talking about. Where was that Andy Reid magic all year long when their offense was middle of the pack?
And if you think Andy Reid was more responsible for that comeback than Mahomes and McDermott with his weak playcalling on defense then I have to question your motives in this thread.
I don't remember if it was you or someone else when we had these conversations before but the idea that Andy Reid has these magic plays saved for just the right moment and Kyle doesn't is laughable. Andy Reid has a HOF level DC and another very good coach taking care of his special teams. All he needs to worry about is offense and being the HC. Oh and he's got Patrick Mahomes - a guy who brings a whole different element to the game and gives a defense widely different things to worry about than any QB Kyle has had with the 49ers.
You have numerous defenders talking about how much respect they have playing against Kyle's offenses and how hard he makes it on them all the time but you want to think Kyle can't do stuff like Andy? Kyle has drawn up big plays in big moments time and time again but the execution wasn't there.
Literally in both SBs against Andy.
2019 - numerous plays Garoppolo missed, including the obvious one to Sanders. We lose and guys like you give Reid all the credit.
2023 - several big plays missed whether by great play by the Chiefs defenders, Purdy missing the read at the 2 min warning(another elite call by Spags with elite execution by his defender but Kyle had a play called that should've given us the first down and the win with no time left) or in OT - 2 guys wide open for the TD if Burford just does his job and doesn't freelance.
We saw the same stuff vs the Rams in 2021. Our guys didn't execute but Stafford with weaker playcalling did.
But people paint these narratives because once a coach loses all that detail goes out the window and it's "excuses and hypotheticals" apparently.
