49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
I still think Kyle is very good but he does need to evolve a bit more.

Into what? We've been a run heavy offense for years. Couldn't do s**t there so we became a top 10 passing offense with multiple skilled players and QBs having to take on bigger roles.

Yeah the offense is different. Pass blocking is better than run blocking at this point. Hoping to get to where we can dominate at both. Offense might be unstoppable if we could. Brock has shown he can move the offense without the best help. Build a wall around him and he'll make guys stars. I like this direction though Aiyuk messed it up. I spoke last year about my dream of Aiyuk and Pearsall starting. We'll try against next year.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
This isn't accurate. Shanahan demanded Joe Williams. He wanted Dante Pettis. I can go on and on with number of wrs and rbs busts we were drafted because shanahan was enamored with them. And who had final say on lance?

lynch needs to go. Shanahan should not have any say on draft picks. Let gms be gms. Kyle should just coach.

Who had the final say on Lance? Don't know, neither do you. It was pretty clear, though, that they consulted widely within the team. The rumour was, though, that Shanahan favoured Mac, but I suppose that doesn't fit the preconceptions. Lance didn't work out. Bummer. It was a very difficult year, thanks to Covid.

On the subject of "busts" I don't include anyone drafted in round 3 or below as a bust. Their chances of contributing are very low. You can do the research yourself, I came up with the following:

Chance of finding a starter in each round-

Round 1 63%
Round 2 27%
Round 3 17%
Round 4 8%
Round 7 6%

How many first and second round offensive starters are on this team after nine years?

aiyuk
Pearsall

and I'm out.

but let's talk about 3rd and 4th round picks offensive picks (not even talking about moody)

Latu
puni
davis-price
danny gray
Trey sermon
Jalen hurd
Pettis
cj beat hard

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Hate it all you want…you can't b***h about horrible rosters and bad coaching when the team is going to the playoffs, NFCCs and SBs. Clearly they're doing something right. So it's either bad drafting and great coaching or great drafting and bad coaching. Can't have it both ways for a stupid ass narrative that no logical fan buys,

I don't give a s**t about Seattle and what they do….that doesn't change that Kyle is a great HC and 90% of the league would give their left nut to have him as their HC.

Just lost Charbonnet. If Rams are smart they focus all attention on Walker and make Darnold beat em.

If Seattle can't run the ball they're f**ked

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
This isn't accurate. Shanahan demanded Joe Williams. He wanted Dante Pettis. I can go on and on with number of wrs and rbs busts we were drafted because shanahan was enamored with them. And who had final say on lance?

lynch needs to go. Shanahan should not have any say on draft picks. Let gms be gms. Kyle should just coach.

Who had the final say on Lance? Don't know, neither do you. It was pretty clear, though, that they consulted widely within the team. The rumour was, though, that Shanahan favoured Mac, but I suppose that doesn't fit the preconceptions. Lance didn't work out. Bummer. It was a very difficult year, thanks to Covid.

On the subject of "busts" I don't include anyone drafted in round 3 or below as a bust. Their chances of contributing are very low. You can do the research yourself, I came up with the following:

Chance of finding a starter in each round-

Round 1 63%
Round 2 27%
Round 3 17%
Round 4 8%
Round 7 6%

How many first and second round offensive starters are on this team after nine years?

aiyuk
Pearsall

and I'm out.

but let's talk about 3rd and 4th round picks offensive picks (not even talking about moody)

Latu
puni
davis-price
danny gray
Trey sermon
Jalen hurd
Pettis
cj beat hard

This is a flawed way to evaluate the situation.

From 2017 to 2024, Kyle Shanahan used only seven first- and second-round picks on offensive players. Of those seven, two are busts, while five became starting-caliber players: Pearsall, Banks, Aiyuk, Deebo, and McGlinchey. That's a 71% hit rate—well above the league-average success rate of 48% cited by English (which itself is based on 63% hit on first-round and 27% hit on second-round picks).

Some of these players later departed via free agency or trade, but that level of turnover is normal in today's NFL and shouldn't be conflated with draft success or failure.

Another important point: there are only 11 starting spots on offense. If a team consistently finds contributors in the later rounds, by definition those players won't come from the first or second round. The 49ers did exactly that with players like Brock, Kittle, Puni, McKivitz, and Jennings. In addition, the offense was significantly supplemented through trades and free agency, including CMC, Trent Williams, and Juice.

Taken together, this paints a much more accurate picture of Shanahan's offensive roster construction and draft efficiency.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
How many first and second round offensive starters are on this team after nine years?

aiyuk
Pearsall

and I'm out.

but let's talk about 3rd and 4th round picks offensive picks (not even talking about moody)

Latu
puni
davis-price
danny gray
Trey sermon
Jalen hurd
Pettis
cj beat hard

lol what's the hit rate on a 3/4 rd pick? Also love how you leave out the 5th rd and guys like HOFer Fred Warner.

just emotional bias takes with expectations that doesn't match up with the rest of the NFL

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Hate it all you want…you can't b***h about horrible rosters and bad coaching when the team is going to the playoffs, NFCCs and SBs. Clearly they're doing something right. So it's either bad drafting and great coaching or great drafting and bad coaching. Can't have it both ways for a stupid ass narrative that no logical fan buys,

I don't give a s**t about Seattle and what they do….that doesn't change that Kyle is a great HC and 90% of the league would give their left nut to have him as their HC.

Just lost Charbonnet. If Rams are smart they focus all attention on Walker and make Darnold beat em.

If Seattle can't run the ball they're f**ked

We took out the wrong head of two headed monster....walker is the one with the 1,000 yards rushing who ran for 116 and 3 TDs against us last weekend.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
How many first and second round offensive starters are on this team after nine years?

aiyuk
Pearsall

and I'm out.

but let's talk about 3rd and 4th round picks offensive picks (not even talking about moody)

Latu
puni
davis-price
danny gray
Trey sermon
Jalen hurd
Pettis
cj beat hard

lets compare to Seattle. You see any star players? I see about 3 "ok" players. But lets just continue to act like the its so easy to draft pro bowlers in the3rd and 4th round.

Shaquill Griffin
Delano Hill
Nazair Jones
Amara Darboh
Tedric Thompson
Rasheem Green
Will Dissly
Cody Barton
Dru Samia
Gary Jennings Jr.
Phil Haynes
Ugochukwu Amadi
Damien Lewis
Colby Parkinson
DeeJay Dallas
Tre Brown
Abraham Lucas
Coby Bryant
Anthony Bradford
Cameron Young
Christian Haynes
Tyrice Knight
A.J. Barner
Jalen Milroe

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
How many first and second round offensive starters are on this team after nine years?

aiyuk
Pearsall

and I'm out.

but let's talk about 3rd and 4th round picks offensive picks (not even talking about moody)

Latu
puni
davis-price
danny gray
Trey sermon
Jalen hurd
Pettis
cj beat hard

lol what's the hit rate on a 3/4 rd pick? Also love how you leave out the 5th rd and guys like HOFer Fred Warner.

just emotional bias takes with expectations that doesn't match up with the rest of the NFL

For shanalynch? Looking at that list? You tell me.

and to answer your question about shanahan evolving, how about he evolve into an offensive genius who scores more than 9 points in 2 must win games against a division rival?

and how many offensive starters were out last week?

This thread is where rationality goes to die.

Kyle's critics have made up their minds - not winning a Super Bowl is a firable offense. It doesn't matter how close he gets and the horrible luck he's had with the sheer # of injuries to critical players, the rate of lost fumbles, etc. They want blood, and the easy solution to a terribly complicated problem is always what angry/shortsided people desire.

These people live in a world where winning it all is a mythical and simple thing - either you can or you can't. And they think he can't because he hasn't. They don't understand their intuitions and not facts drive their confirmation bias, and they never will. Best to not argue with them because they cannot be reasoned with. It's like telling a religious person there may inconsistencies in their beliefs. They might believe they are being rational, but when it comes down to it, there are zero facts that will convince them that not winning it all yet doesn't mean he won't win one ever. They are simply too hurt by the fact that we got close but didn't quite finish, so they want to remove themselves from the one that hurt them, and that's always going to be the coach. Never mind that you have to get the playoffs to win it all, and when you get close you risk falling short.

We as fans want the game we love to be determined by the players and the coaches, and they kinda are. But if you'r luck is bad enough, it trumps everything else. When the Broc gets hurt on the first passing play when we were on a 12 game winning streak, that's Kyle's fault to them. Could he have devised a better blocking scheme for the play where Broc was hurt? Sure! And I could have avoided my car accident on the highway by staying on the surface streets or better yet, staying home. But that's hindsight, and it's always 20-20. The coach deserves his share of the credit/blame, but Kyle haters put ALL the responsbility on him. The players need to play well, and do what they are told, which clearly doesn't always happen. And dumb luck, who falls on the football when it's loose, plays a MASSIVE and DECISIVE role in who wins and losses individual games. Andy Reid is the messiah to these people, the same guy who was once ran out of Philly for "not be able to get us to the next level". In the 2023 SB, the Chiefs fumbled 5 times, but lost only one, the Niners fumbled twice, but lost both. The game still went into overtime, despite the Chiefs getting multiple more scoring opportunities than the Niners. Just imagine if we recovered 6 of the 7 fumbles? To these people, Kyle beats Andy by 3 TD's - even though in reality it's the Niners simply getting the breaks and the Chiefs being doomed by unavoidable misfortune. Dumb luck, and dumb luck only made it a WAY closer game than it should have been. And by extension, it made Andy a winner a Kyle a loser in this grossly oversimplified winner take all perspective.

My advice - just let them have their opinions. I realize by contributing to this discussion, I'm a hypocrite. But I think some people on both sides of the fence need to be reminded of just how much luck matters, and that this team's luck has been well below average for an extended period of time. Despite all the burden put on him by people who will only accept the highly improbable result of a championship, Kyle prepares his team at the highest level and gives them as good a chance as anyone else at winning every game he coaches, including the Super Bowl.

Thankfully Jed, while imperfect himself, is not so foolhardy or simplistic to let a top 5 coach go simply because he's out for blood and is too childish to understand winning it all takes as much luck as it does skill. The skill part is relatively fixed, and Kyle's overall track record proves he has it. The luck part can change, and hopefully it will. If it doesn't, he'll never win one and the naysayers will convice themselves they've been right all along. But we can only control what we can control. Like it or not, the rest is up to chance.

Funny how every year other teams target guys from the 48er FO to run their teams. Are they all fools? How can they not see that this FO led by John Lynch is pure garbage?

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
How many first and second round offensive starters are on this team after nine years?

aiyuk
Pearsall

and I'm out.

but let's talk about 3rd and 4th round picks offensive picks (not even talking about moody)

Latu
puni
davis-price
danny gray
Trey sermon
Jalen hurd
Pettis
cj beat hard

lets compare to Seattle. You see any star players? I see about 3 "ok" players. But lets just continue to act like the its so easy to draft pro bowlers in the3rd and 4th round.

Shaquill Griffin
Delano Hill
Nazair Jones
Amara Darboh
Tedric Thompson
Rasheem Green
Will Dissly
Cody Barton
Dru Samia
Gary Jennings Jr.
Phil Haynes
Ugochukwu Amadi
Damien Lewis
Colby Parkinson
DeeJay Dallas
Tre Brown
Abraham Lucas
Coby Bryant
Anthony Bradford
Cameron Young
Christian Haynes
Tyrice Knight
A.J. Barner
Jalen Milroe

They still have players on the team! And look at their early picks off the top of my head: walker charbonnet JSN and zabel.

you can't compare

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
They still have players on the team! And look at their early picks off the top of my head: walker charbonnet JSN and zabel.

you can't compare

Charbonnet now has an acl tear and walker is a FA.

Originally posted by SweetOJ:
This thread is where rationality goes to die.

Kyle's critics have made up their minds - not winning a Super Bowl is a firable offense. It doesn't matter how close he gets and the horrible luck he's had with the sheer # of injuries to critical players, the rate of lost fumbles, etc. They want blood, and the easy solution to a terribly complicated problem is always what angry/shortsided people desire.

These people live in a world where winning it all is a mythical and simple thing - either you can or you can't. And they think he can't because he hasn't. They don't understand their intuitions and not facts drive their confirmation bias, and they never will. Best to not argue with them because they cannot be reasoned with. It's like telling a religious person there may inconsistencies in their beliefs. They might believe they are being rational, but when it comes down to it, there are zero facts that will convince them that not winning it all yet doesn't mean he won't win one ever. They are simply too hurt by the fact that we got close but didn't quite finish, so they want to remove themselves from the one that hurt them, and that's always going to be the coach. Never mind that you have to get the playoffs to win it all, and when you get close you risk falling short.

We as fans want the game we love to be determined by the players and the coaches, and they kinda are. But if you'r luck is bad enough, it trumps everything else. When the Broc gets hurt on the first passing play when we were on a 12 game winning streak, that's Kyle's fault to them. Could he have devised a better blocking scheme for the play where Broc was hurt? Sure! And I could have avoided my car accident on the highway by staying on the surface streets or better yet, staying home. But that's hindsight, and it's always 20-20. The coach deserves his share of the credit/blame, but Kyle haters put ALL the responsbility on him. The players need to play well, and do what they are told, which clearly doesn't always happen. And dumb luck, who falls on the football when it's loose, plays a MASSIVE and DECISIVE role in who wins and losses individual games. Andy Reid is the messiah to these people, the same guy who was once ran out of Philly for "not be able to get us to the next level". In the 2023 SB, the Chiefs fumbled 5 times, but lost only one, the Niners fumbled twice, but lost both. The game still went into overtime, despite the Chiefs getting multiple more scoring opportunities than the Niners. Just imagine if we recovered 6 of the 7 fumbles? To these people, Kyle beats Andy by 3 TD's - even though in reality it's the Niners simply getting the breaks and the Chiefs being doomed by unavoidable misfortune. Dumb luck, and dumb luck only made it a WAY closer game than it should have been. And by extension, it made Andy a winner a Kyle a loser in this grossly oversimplified winner take all perspective.

My advice - just let them have their opinions. I realize by contributing to this discussion, I'm a hypocrite. But I think some people on both sides of the fence need to be reminded of just how much luck matters, and that this team's luck has been well below average for an extended period of time. Despite all the burden put on him by people who will only accept the highly improbable result of a championship, Kyle prepares his team at the highest level and gives them as good a chance as anyone else at winning every game he coaches, including the Super Bowl.

Thankfully Jed, while imperfect himself, is not so foolhardy or simplistic to let a top 5 coach go simply because he's out for blood and is too childish to understand winning it all takes as much luck as it does skill. The skill part is relatively fixed, and Kyle's overall track record proves he has it. The luck part can change, and hopefully it will. If it doesn't, he'll never win one and the naysayers will convice themselves they've been right all along. But we can only control what we can control. Like it or not, the rest is up to chance.

There was a time when this team was a dynasty which was measured in championships and coaches were hired and fired by their ability to achieve this single goal. Since the Yorks have taken the team over its been more about just being comfortable with competive and just being happy getting a shot.

Originally posted by jcs:
We took out the wrong head of two headed monster....walker is the one with the 1,000 yards rushing who ran for 116 and 3 TDs against us last weekend.

He's a FA as well

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
For shanalynch? Looking at that list? You tell me.

and to answer your question about shanahan evolving, how about he evolve into an offensive genius who scores more than 9 points in 2 must win games against a division rival?

and how many offensive starters were out last week?

Across the league man. s**t look at Seattle