49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Year after year these guys pass on elite talent and pass on players who are clearly better because they draft for need. Every single year they draft for need.

I can see passing on a RB at #2 but It still blows my mind that in 2017 the only QB we had was Brian freaking Hoyer and this front office took an undersized DE.

They really started off with a bang. There were literally 10 other guys who would have made a bigger impact and they reach on Thomas.

Then in 2020 after trading Buckner away for some stupid reason they take Kinlaw over Tristen Wirfs, CeeDee Lamb and Justin Jefferson??

Literally a monkey throwing darts at a draft board would make better picks than these guys.

Taking Solomon Thomas at 1.3
Trading DeForest Bucker
Trading 3- 1sts for Trey Lance
95 million in dead money this year. Even more now with Aiuyk

Any one of those moves would get a regime fired. And it's not like Shanahan has some elite winning record. He has 4 winning seasons out of 8 and lost two Super Bowls and two NFC Championship games.

I just don't get it.

You're rambling.

First of all 49ers got A's across the board after that 2017 first round considering Thomas and Foster were highly regarded draft prospects. Even after that rookie season Foster was being talked about as the next great young linebacker. Hell even Thomas had a pretty solid rookie season. What happened with his sister really messed things up for him.

Guys like you love to use hindsight to pretend what this regime did was insane but we have the proof that they did what the majority of the draft community praised in a BIG way.

Yes they traded Buckner away. Get over it. The move was done because they understood they couldn't pay everyone and they decided that trading Buckner would give them the best return possible and allow them to keep the rest of the group together. I'd say they made the right decision even in hindsight considering what the 49ers were able to do with the guys they did elect to pay.

The fact that you don't get it...is a you problem. Everyone else understands what Shanahan provides despite the shortcomings.

It's why the team with him at the helm is best setup for any rebuild/retooling.

So much of what I read on this forum is based on hindsight. It's a shame the 49er front office can't do that. We also don't see many comments about the players Lynch drafts in the later rounds or the ones he brings in via trades and free agency.

I'm not saying that ther 49er haven't made mistakes. They've made their share just like every team does. Overall they must be doing something right since they've been in 4 NFC title games and 2 SBs. That's not bad when you consider he and Kyle spent the first 2 trying to rebuild a terrible roster. The only times they haven't been good is when they suffered some major injuries.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
So much of what I read on this forum is based on hindsight. It's a shame the 49er front office can't do that. We also don't see many comments about the players Lynch drafts in the later rounds or the ones he brings in via trades and free agency.

I'm not saying that ther 49er haven't made mistakes. They've made their share just like every team does. Overall they must be doing something right since they've been in 4 NFC title games and 2 SBs. That's not bad when you consider he and Kyle spent the first 2 trying to rebuild a terrible roster. The only times they haven't been good is when they suffered some major injuries.

Correct. You have people saying Bosa was a no brainer(hell one of the main people saying it was saying at the time drafting Bosa would be a mistake)

The simple fact is drafting is difficult. We can have conversations about why the 49ers have made the mistakes they've made but making these wild claims when you have the benefit of hindsight is ridiculous. I'm pretty confident had the 49ers had a crystal ball and could see how each player develops they'd never have a miss.

That's not the world we live in. And reality says this front office and coaching staff have done a better job than most putting together a roster that can win lots of football games.

Not every draft is the same. That 2017 class had Myles Garrett and then a big drop. We were stupid enough to win a meaningless game vs the 4-12 Rams(thanks Kap and Chip Kelly) in 2016 and cost ourselves a chance at Garrett.

Nobody else in that draft class was a slam dunk top 2/3 pick. All the revisionist history happening now doesn't change then. Sometimes teams luck into early picks in trash drafts too. It happens. You try to make the best pick for your team and hope you find a good player. Sometimes it doesn't work out.

Lucky for the 49ers most of their major misses they managed to grab players later who overcame those mistakes.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
So much of what I read on this forum is based on hindsight. It's a shame the 49er front office can't do that. We also don't see many comments about the players Lynch drafts in the later rounds or the ones he brings in via trades and free agency.

I'm not saying that ther 49er haven't made mistakes. They've made their share just like every team does. Overall they must be doing something right since they've been in 4 NFC title games and 2 SBs. That's not bad when you consider he and Kyle spent the first 2 trying to rebuild a terrible roster. The only times they haven't been good is when they suffered some major injuries.

Correct. You have people saying Bosa was a no brainer(hell one of the main people saying it was saying at the time drafting Bosa would be a mistake)

The simple fact is drafting is difficult. We can have conversations about why the 49ers have made the mistakes they've made but making these wild claims when you have the benefit of hindsight is ridiculous. I'm pretty confident had the 49ers had a crystal ball and could see how each player develops they'd never have a miss.

That's not the world we live in. And reality says this front office and coaching staff have done a better job than most putting together a roster that can win lots of football games.

Not every draft is the same. That 2017 class had Myles Garrett and then a big drop. We were stupid enough to win a meaningless game vs the 4-12 Rams(thanks Kap and Chip Kelly) in 2016 and cost ourselves a chance at Garrett.

Nobody else in that draft class was a slam dunk top 2/3 pick. All the revisionist history happening now doesn't change then. Sometimes teams luck into early picks in trash drafts too. It happens. You try to make the best pick for your team and hope you find a good player. Sometimes it doesn't work out.

Lucky for the 49ers most of their major misses they managed to grab players later who overcame those mistakes.

If we are going off of what was known at the time, I would've been ecstatic if we drafted Deshaun Watson, as would many other people. But no one is bold enough to be honest about that so they pivot to we should've picked Patrick Mahommes.

At the time, these were my preferences at number 2 overall:

1. Deshaun Watson- franchise QB. I never thought we would've kept Kap, but Kyle picking the top QB that he could mold was too eniticing.
2. Derek Barnett- we had no pass rush and Barnett had just broken Reggie White's records at Tennessee. I was also convinced that the best pass rushers go early, so we needed to take advantage of drafting high. I did think number 2 overall was too high for Barnett, but I felt he would still be a very good pass rusher for 10 years.
3. Christian McCaffrey- I don't have a problem with taking a RB in round 1 provided they are a special talent and CMC at Stanford was something special. You could argue he and Garrett were neck and neck for most talented. I also thought Kyle could do amazing things with CMC, given how he had Devonta Freeman, Alfred Morris, and Arian Foster looking. Would've been the most talented running back he ever had.
4. Solomon Thomas- I saw a potentially versatile D-lineman who could help the worst 49ers run D I had ever seen. I'm not a fantasy football person, but anyone starting a RB against our 2016 defense was going to clean up.

I'd love if others actually were honest about who they liked at the time based on information available at the time instead of the Patrick Mahommes was a no-brainer takes or we could've had Micah Parsons, when anyone knows that based off the stories coming out about Parsons from Penn State, he was never, ever in the running for being the pick at 12.

The reality is there have been hits and misses, but this regime has built a team that can compete and is among the very best more often than not. They also have developed an insane amount of depth. Injuries killed us in 2018 & 2020 and to a lesser extent, 2024 (this was more a result of a poor DC, poor run D, etc). This year, we have so much depth we have been able to succeed in spite of. It's not just the teams we are playing. No team would be able to survive this kind of talent loss.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
If we are going off of what was known at the time, I would've been ecstatic if we drafted Deshaun Watson, as would many other people. But no one is bold enough to be honest about that so they pivot to we should've picked Patrick Mahommes.

At the time, these were my preferences at number 2 overall:

1. Deshaun Watson- franchise QB. I never thought we would've kept Kap, but Kyle picking the top QB that he could mold was too eniticing.
2. Derek Barnett- we had no pass rush and Barnett had just broken Reggie White's records at Tennessee. I was also convinced that the best pass rushers go early, so we needed to take advantage of drafting high. I did think number 2 overall was too high for Barnett, but I felt he would still be a very good pass rusher for 10 years.
3. Christian McCaffrey- I don't have a problem with taking a RB in round 1 provided they are a special talent and CMC at Stanford was something special. You could argue he and Garrett were neck and neck for most talented. I also thought Kyle could do amazing things with CMC, given how he had Devonta Freeman, Alfred Morris, and Arian Foster looking. Would've been the most talented running back he ever had.
4. Solomon Thomas- I saw a potentially versatile D-lineman who could help the worst 49ers run D I had ever seen. I'm not a fantasy football person, but anyone starting a RB against our 2016 defense was going to clean up.

I'd love if others actually were honest about who they liked at the time based on information available at the time instead of the Patrick Mahommes was a no-brainer takes or we could've had Micah Parsons, when anyone knows that based off the stories coming out about Parsons from Penn State, he was never, ever in the running for being the pick at 12.

The reality is there have been hits and misses, but this regime has built a team that can compete and is among the very best more often than not. They also have developed an insane amount of depth. Injuries killed us in 2018 & 2020 and to a lesser extent, 2024 (this was more a result of a poor DC, poor run D, etc). This year, we have so much depth we have been able to succeed in spite of. It's not just the teams we are playing. No team would be able to survive this kind of talent loss.

At #2 I was all in on Rueben Foster until all his stuff came out. Then I wanted a trade down. With Derek Barnett my likely target.

3 guys I didn't want was Thomas, Trubisky and Corey Davis.

I loved Fournette and CMC but wouldn't have drafted either. I can also say I thought Mahomes was the best thrower of the football I had ever seen but never considered him because he didn't "fit" Shanny's system.

Not afraid to admit I was a Nathan Peterman guy.

20 pts with 3 ints from the offense, not bad...

A win is a WIN

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
So much of what I read on this forum is based on hindsight. It's a shame the 49er front office can't do that. We also don't see many comments about the players Lynch drafts in the later rounds or the ones he brings in via trades and free agency.

I'm not saying that ther 49er haven't made mistakes. They've made their share just like every team does. Overall they must be doing something right since they've been in 4 NFC title games and 2 SBs. That's not bad when you consider he and Kyle spent the first 2 trying to rebuild a terrible roster. The only times they haven't been good is when they suffered some major injuries.

Correct. You have people saying Bosa was a no brainer(hell one of the main people saying it was saying at the time drafting Bosa would be a mistake)

The simple fact is drafting is difficult. We can have conversations about why the 49ers have made the mistakes they've made but making these wild claims when you have the benefit of hindsight is ridiculous. I'm pretty confident had the 49ers had a crystal ball and could see how each player develops they'd never have a miss.

That's not the world we live in. And reality says this front office and coaching staff have done a better job than most putting together a roster that can win lots of football games.

Not every draft is the same. That 2017 class had Myles Garrett and then a big drop. We were stupid enough to win a meaningless game vs the 4-12 Rams(thanks Kap and Chip Kelly) in 2016 and cost ourselves a chance at Garrett.

Nobody else in that draft class was a slam dunk top 2/3 pick. All the revisionist history happening now doesn't change then. Sometimes teams luck into early picks in trash drafts too. It happens. You try to make the best pick for your team and hope you find a good player. Sometimes it doesn't work out.

Lucky for the 49ers most of their major misses they managed to grab players later who overcame those mistakes.

If we are going off of what was known at the time, I would've been ecstatic if we drafted Deshaun Watson, as would many other people. But no one is bold enough to be honest about that so they pivot to we should've picked Patrick Mahommes.

At the time, these were my preferences at number 2 overall:

1. Deshaun Watson- franchise QB. I never thought we would've kept Kap, but Kyle picking the top QB that he could mold was too eniticing.
2. Derek Barnett- we had no pass rush and Barnett had just broken Reggie White's records at Tennessee. I was also convinced that the best pass rushers go early, so we needed to take advantage of drafting high. I did think number 2 overall was too high for Barnett, but I felt he would still be a very good pass rusher for 10 years.
3. Christian McCaffrey- I don't have a problem with taking a RB in round 1 provided they are a special talent and CMC at Stanford was something special. You could argue he and Garrett were neck and neck for most talented. I also thought Kyle could do amazing things with CMC, given how he had Devonta Freeman, Alfred Morris, and Arian Foster looking. Would've been the most talented running back he ever had.
4. Solomon Thomas- I saw a potentially versatile D-lineman who could help the worst 49ers run D I had ever seen. I'm not a fantasy football person, but anyone starting a RB against our 2016 defense was going to clean up.

I'd love if others actually were honest about who they liked at the time based on information available at the time instead of the Patrick Mahommes was a no-brainer takes or we could've had Micah Parsons, when anyone knows that based off the stories coming out about Parsons from Penn State, he was never, ever in the running for being the pick at 12.

The reality is there have been hits and misses, but this regime has built a team that can compete and is among the very best more often than not. They also have developed an insane amount of depth. Injuries killed us in 2018 & 2020 and to a lesser extent, 2024 (this was more a result of a poor DC, poor run D, etc). This year, we have so much depth we have been able to succeed in spite of. It's not just the teams we are playing. No team would be able to survive this kind of talent loss.

It absolutely is because the team we have played without a doubt.

Shout-out for tonight. Schemed guys open, gave his QB plenty of opportunities to redeem himself and shut shop afterwards. The D was the savior tonight but Kyle called a good game.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
It absolutely is because the team we have played without a doubt.

Teams 9ers have played have a .492 winning percentage.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
It absolutely is because the team we have played without a doubt.

Panthers were 6-5 going into this game. Packers couldn't even beat them at Lambeau.

Try again.

Why is he not using Guerrendo? He was such a stud for us last year and I almost forgot he's on the team.

Originally posted by MBNINER90266:
Why is he not using Guerrendo? He was such a stud for us last year and I almost forgot he's on the team.

Because when you have CMC, you play CMC. Not Guerrendo. I've been waiting for the pitch to a 49er receiver. Finally saw Kyle break it out tonight. Although it only went for three yards. But it put Brock in a position to sneak it over for a first down.

This team runs on CMC right now. There will be one or two other games where he will be needed to do this again. I do see his speed returning. Much more so than I saw earlier in the season. The cutting ability looks good too. He looks a lot like the CMC that carried the team two seasons ago.

He has this team playing pretty good, disciplined football considering all the injuries and having to rely on so many second/third stringers and rookies on D.

Another clean game tonight with limited penalties: 2 for 6 yards.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
It absolutely is because the team we have played without a doubt.

Teams 9ers have played have a .492 winning percentage.

And pats opponents have .356 record. So?

Did we fire him yet?

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
He has this team playing pretty good, disciplined football considering all the injuries and having to rely on so many second/third stringers and rookies on D.

Another clean game tonight with limited penalties: 2 for 6 yards.

Yep, avoiding shooting ourselves in the foot. Very few penalties and we protected the ball well other than about 4 plays.