49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I dont care about injuries. That's an excuse. This is two years in a row and something like 5 out 8 years under shanahan. Its a pattern The only time the niners do well under Shanahan is when the roster is 100% healthy. The team is hanging onto aging players and don't have the young depth because of shameful drafting and because of the lance debacle. The rams are smart. They shipped off Cooper kupp knowing he was over the hill. Bill Walsh stated once that it was better to get rid of a player one year to early than one year too late. Shanahan has a different philosophy. He holds onto old players and plays favorites. The oline is trash. Our franchise qb is injury prone and isn't in the same league as some other qbs. We have an over the hill rb who only functions as a wide receiver. The secondary is complete trash outside of lenoir. The linebackers are garbage outside of warner. Williams is looking only serviceable but not worth a high first. Bosa is great when he is playing, which is never. They are last in sacks and interceptions.

Yet they'll still make the playoffs because of their s**t schedule, and all the shanafans will tell how great he did with an injured roster and we will be stuck his mediocre loser coaching for another 10 years because the fans are content with it and yorks pockets are full.

/rant.

49ers were one of the most injured teams in 2019. You either are very uninformed about what you're talking about or you simply don't care enough to find the facts.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Does not matter if he knew it was a catch or not. He knew it was close enough to look at and that it changed the momentum of the game. A good coach would challenge it regardless because 1. They were running the hurry up and to get them off sync. 2. Because it was such a momentum shift, 3 because it was possibly not a catch...

The play where Brock got hurt was stupid regardless. You could have had kittle as the guy to block him. Shanahan doesn't adjust to players though. Other teams exploit player weaknesses and account for players strengths. This has already been discussed at length as one of shanahans weaknesses so I won't devolve too much into it. You can't convince me that was a good play.

You have to look at the statistics. CMC was coming off an injury and overdue. It's very likely they game planned and targeted him specifically all game because Reid knows this and knows to get game plan around player strengths and weaknesses. He could have alternated mason in on that drive but we get typical shanahan every play to CMC.

Yes again you don't need to throw a 40 yard bomb on third and 10 when it's 4 down territory anyway and leave mahomes two minutes to get a field goal. This isn't rocket science...

Then the whole not knowing the overtime rules debacle.

Those are just some issues. That's without getting into the whole could have had Brady he wanted to play for us. Trade 3 firsts for trey Lance. The veteran favoritism. Not knowing to give guys a breather off the field after a big play or handing them the ball 5 straight times. The moody 3rd round wasted pick. The list goes on and on.

He's a good coach. Just good enough to choke against better coaches in the playoffs or SB.

These are insane takes. It was the first drive!!!!

Like I'm honestly floored at your talking points.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Its true. The two superbowl appearances have come based on the niners elite defenses, one was with two monsters in the interior with buckner and armstead from the previous regime. Of course they are both gone.

The niners offense has never been the reason theyve been successful. And it has never been elite under Shanahan. You'd think an offensive genius would have built an offensive juggernaut by now.

We trolling again? 2023 had 2 guys in MVP voting on offense and produced one of the most efficient offenses in the NFL but sure…

Originally posted by genus49:
We trolling again? 2023 had 2 guys in MVP voting on offense and produced one of the most efficient offenses in the NFL but sure…

I'm sure you know this, but not just one of the most efficient offenses for that season… but all time.

Originally posted by Philippines_49er:

Originally posted by Niner4Life21_:
McVay's offense put up 3 points in the 2018 Superbowl. That's the kind of pathetic performance that you guys would never shut the f**k up about if it was Shanahan.

Then McVay rebounded and won a Super Bowl. Meanwhile, in San Francisco we look like a bunch of inept b!tches with a roster full of players that can't stay healthy led by a clueless moron.

McVay "rebounded" by trading for Matt Stafford with the Lions GM who came from their building.

He still had to add OBJ and Von Miller mid season and got completely outcoached in that NFCCG and the two other times he played the 49ers that season. The only difference was Kyle's players and a beat up Jimmy G couldn't make enough plays in that game and Stafford did so people can pretend McVay was actually better.

And still to win the SB McVay needed refs to help them and his defense to close the game out vs an offense with a huge problem in pass protection.

Originally posted by Niner4Life21_:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Koldo:
And.... Guess what?. .. a RING.

Just like Trent Dilfer

I guess you could strip away nuance from the game of football and define everything by RINGS and NO RINGs.

I mean, that is one way to analyze and enjoy the game.

Using their logic, Andy Reid and Sean McVay were also losers at one point, until they weren't. Guess the difference is the haters believe Shanahan can't turn it around like those guys did.

So, not having a ring is better than having it. Got it.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Niner4Life21_:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Its true. The two superbowl appearances have come based on the niners elite defenses, one was with two monsters in the interior with buckner and armstead from the previous regime. Of course they are both gone.

The niners offense has never been the reason theyve been successful. And it has never been elite under Shanahan. You'd think an offensive genius would have built an offensive juggernaut by now.

Someone clearly missed the 2023 season.

No one would call 2nd in yards and 3rd in points elite of course.

The 9ers defense was not elite in 2023. Completely propped up by the offense as was shown in the latter parts of season and playoffs.

That 2022 offense was really good too once Purdy and McCaffrey were in there.

Do Jose and moon and DrEll only speak in hyberbole?

I bet he will do either of two things:

1) Ignore your response, or

2) Respond with "Well of course the 2023 offense was elite. It was stacked and that's the only way Shanahan can succeed". Which would be ironic because Jose will be in another thread complaining about how Shanahan can't build a good roster

22 points in superbowl. Two field goals final two possessions. I love my coach.

Guess that 2007 Pats team was all about the defense. 14 points in the SB…what a bunch of losers that Tom Brady and Bill Belichick were.

Originally posted by Koldo:
So, not having a ring is better than having it. Got it.

Having a ring is better than not. Having a ring doesn't automatically make a player or HC better than someone who doesn't.

Dan Marino isn't worse than Nick Foles just like Shanahan isn't worse than Mike McCarthy.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Does not matter if he knew it was a catch or not. He knew it was close enough to look at and that it changed the momentum of the game. A good coach would challenge it regardless because 1. They were running the hurry up and to get them off sync. 2. Because it was such a momentum shift, 3 because it was possibly not a catch...

The play where Brock got hurt was stupid regardless. You could have had kittle as the guy to block him. Shanahan doesn't adjust to players though. Other teams exploit player weaknesses and account for players strengths. This has already been discussed at length as one of shanahans weaknesses so I won't devolve too much into it. You can't convince me that was a good play.

You have to look at the statistics. CMC was coming off an injury and overdue. It's very likely they game planned and targeted him specifically all game because Reid knows this and knows to game plan around player strengths and weaknesses. He could have alternated mason in on that drive but we get typical shanahan every play to CMC.

Yes again you don't need to throw a 40 yard bomb on third and 10 when it's 4 down territory anyway and leave mahomes two minutes to get a field goal. This isn't rocket science...

Then the whole not knowing the overtime rules debacle.

Those are just some issues. That's without getting into the whole could have had Brady he wanted to play for us. Trade 3 firsts for trey Lance. The veteran favoritism. Not knowing to give guys a breather off the field after a big play or handing them the ball 5 straight times. The moody 3rd round wasted pick. The list goes on and on.

He's a good coach. Just good enough to choke against better coaches in the playoffs or SB.

Since that game, I have heard multiple NFL coaches and analysts saying that choosing to kick off at the beginning of overtime is the correct strategy. It allows you to know exactly what you have to do to win the game.

If you choose to receive the kickoff, you are compelled to attempt to score a TD. If, OTOH, your defense gets a stop, you can win with a field goal from a safe distance and not risk a fumble or interception trying to score a TD.

Shanahan made the correct decision.

The outcome of that game could have been different if Burford had stuck to his assignment instead of following his instincts.

Originally posted by dj43:
Since that game, I have heard multiple NFL coaches and analysts saying that choosing to kick off at the beginning of overtime is the correct strategy. It allows you to know exactly what you have to do to win the game.

If you choose to receive the kickoff, you are compelled to attempt to score a TD. If, OTOH, your defense gets a stop, you can win with a field goal from a safe distance and not risk a fumble or interception trying to score a TD.

Shanahan made the correct decision.

The outcome of that game could have been different if Burford had stuck to his assignment instead of following his instincts.

There were multiple surveys of analytical personnel around the league. It's a 50/50 call. I think it makes sense to kick it off in a vacuum, but our defense was just on the field for the final drive as well.

Originally posted by Patton:
Which old member that got kicked out are you?

I was never kicked out haha. I used to be Niner4Life21 yearsss ago. I ended up losing my account for inactivity/not posting when I was just visiting the site as a lurker.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Koldo:
So, not having a ring is better than having it. Got it.

Having a ring is better than not. Having a ring doesn't automatically make a player or HC better than someone who doesn't.

Dan Marino isn't worse than Nick Foles just like Shanahan isn't worse than Mike McCarthy.

That's the issue.

You guys are Kyle Shanahan's fans. You only care about Kyle getting praises from other fanbases, players, coaches and the media, even if he can't win the SB.

All I care about is for the Niners to win the Super Bowl again. I don't give a s**t if the HC is the greatest football mind ever or a mid coach who lucked into the championship.

Originally posted by dj43:
Since that game, I have heard multiple NFL coaches and analysts saying that choosing to kick off at the beginning of overtime is the correct strategy. It allows you to know exactly what you have to do to win the game.

If you choose to receive the kickoff, you are compelled to attempt to score a TD. If, OTOH, your defense gets a stop, you can win with a field goal from a safe distance and not risk a fumble or interception trying to score a TD.

Shanahan made the correct decision.

The outcome of that game could have been different if Burford had stuck to his assignment instead of following his instincts.

Wait, I'm confused. You just explained why kicking off is better then said Shanny made the correct decision --- I thought he elected to receive first?

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Does not matter if he knew it was a catch or not. He knew it was close enough to look at and that it changed the momentum of the game. A good coach would challenge it regardless because 1. They were running the hurry up and to get them off sync. 2. Because it was such a momentum shift, 3 because it was possibly not a catch...

The play where Brock got hurt was stupid regardless. You could have had kittle as the guy to block him. Shanahan doesn't adjust to players though. Other teams exploit player weaknesses and account for players strengths. This has already been discussed at length as one of shanahans weaknesses so I won't devolve too much into it. You can't convince me that was a good play.

You have to look at the statistics. CMC was coming off an injury and overdue. It's very likely they game planned and targeted him specifically all game because Reid knows this and knows to game plan around player strengths and weaknesses. He could have alternated mason in on that drive but we get typical shanahan every play to CMC.

Yes again you don't need to throw a 40 yard bomb on third and 10 when it's 4 down territory anyway and leave mahomes two minutes to get a field goal. This isn't rocket science...

Then the whole not knowing the overtime rules debacle.

Those are just some issues. That's without getting into the whole could have had Brady he wanted to play for us. Trade 3 firsts for trey Lance. The veteran favoritism. Not knowing to give guys a breather off the field after a big play or handing them the ball 5 straight times. The moody 3rd round wasted pick. The list goes on and on.

He's a good coach. Just good enough to choke against better coaches in the playoffs or SB.

Since that game, I have heard multiple NFL coaches and analysts saying that choosing to kick off at the beginning of overtime is the correct strategy. It allows you to know exactly what you have to do to win the game.

If you choose to receive the kickoff, you are compelled to attempt to score a TD. If, OTOH, your defense gets a stop, you can win with a field goal from a safe distance and not risk a fumble or interception trying to score a TD.

Shanahan made the correct decision.

The outcome of that game could have been different if Burford had stuck to his assignment instead of following his instincts.

Depends on the scinario. Our D was done at that point and KC was moving the ball at will.

Originally posted by Koldo:
That's the issue.

You guys are Kyle Shanahan's fans. You only care about Kyle getting praises from other fanbases, players, coaches and the media, even if he can't win the SB.

All I care about is for the Niners to win the Super Bowl again. I don't give a s**t if the HC is the greatest football mind ever or a mid coach who lucked into the championship.

LOL..... I am definitely not a fan of a coach. Shanahan has some key flaws. I just won't throw around lazy takes and ignore every success while attributing every failure to the coach, even if it is beyond his control.

But based on your logic the mid coach who lucks into a ring is not mid, right? Because the ring in itself would make them elite by your standards. Unless you are suggesting that the mid coach who gets lucky is the beneficiary of other variables that are not indicative of said coach's capabilities? Maybe football is a true team sport? I know, it sounds crazy.