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Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by Montana:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by pillageDatazz:



That's cool as hell. Every dads dream, pass what you know down to your boy.

If only Kyle could win SBs like dad

Not to make excuses for Kyle or knock on Purdy, but:

Mike couldn't win a Super Bowl without John Elway

Reid could never win a Super Bowl until Patrick Mahomes came along

Belichick has been very, very meh ever since Brady left

See the pattern? Again, not knocking Purdy. Maybe slightly knocking Jimmy G even though I appreciate what he did for us. Just that these coaches all only won when they had a clear and distinct advantage.

I'd like to add and I've mentioned this before, the only qbs Kyle has lost to in the Super Bowl as HC/OC are Tom Brady and Patrick Maholmes, two probably at the end of their careers would be considered the best two, to the ever play the QB position.
Meh Elway is so overrated but there has been plenty of chat about that lol. Reid is a great coach, Mahomes, good qb but lucked out with refs and s**t. I doubt he would get as much praise if so much s**t/refs didn't go his way. Brady is just Brady.
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by Montana:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by pillageDatazz:



That's cool as hell. Every dads dream, pass what you know down to your boy.

If only Kyle could win SBs like dad

Not to make excuses for Kyle or knock on Purdy, but:

Mike couldn't win a Super Bowl without John Elway

Reid could never win a Super Bowl until Patrick Mahomes came along

Belichick has been very, very meh ever since Brady left

See the pattern? Again, not knocking Purdy. Maybe slightly knocking Jimmy G even though I appreciate what he did for us. Just that these coaches all only won when they had a clear and distinct advantage.

With a HOF QB, who knows how many rings Shanny... at least 3
Originally posted by Montana:
Meh Elway is so overrated but there has been plenty of chat about that lol. Reid is a great coach, Mahomes, good qb but lucked out with refs and s**t. I doubt he would get as much praise if so much s**t/refs didn't go his way. Brady is just Brady.

The idea that refs favor the Chiefs is laughable. I see penaties that are nissed but I see those same penalties missed with other teams. Why would the NFL want the Chiefs to win? If they were going to favor a team to help them win it would be the the Jets or the Giants. Maybe the Bears. Three big market teams that haven't won much recently. It would be much better for TV ratings and ultimately even more revenue for the greedy NFL.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by Montana:
Meh Elway is so overrated but there has been plenty of chat about that lol. Reid is a great coach, Mahomes, good qb but lucked out with refs and s**t. I doubt he would get as much praise if so much s**t/refs didn't go his way. Brady is just Brady.

The idea that refs favor the Chiefs is laughable. I see penaties that are nissed but I see those same penalties missed with other teams. Why would the NFL want the Chiefs to win? If they were going to favor a team to help them win it would be the the Jets or the Giants. Maybe the Bears. Three big market teams that haven't won much recently. It would be much better for TV ratings and ultimately even more revenue for the greedy NFL.

I'm sorry did you watch that 2019 SB? We had our feet cut out from under us before the game even started.

If you're going to ignore holding by the OL and one team is known for its dominant down field passing offense and the other for their great pass rush…who is at a major disadvantage?

Also the fact that the only post snap penalties called in that game were against the 49ers.

Maybe the Chiefs aren't getting extra help but some teams definitely tend to get more favorable officiating…we are not one of those teams.
Originally posted by genus49:
I'm sorry did you watch that 2019 SB? We had our feet cut out from under us before the game even started.

If you're going to ignore holding by the OL and one team is known for its dominant down field passing offense and the other for their great pass rush…who is at a major disadvantage?

Also the fact that the only post snap penalties called in that game were against the 49ers.

Maybe the Chiefs aren't getting extra help but some teams definitely tend to get more favorable officiating…we are not one of those teams.

When analyst show on air / TV the blatant holding (a lot) and a couple times, Bear Hugging (wrapping both arms around Bosa)... it's no longer fans whining or a conspiracy theory.

All the talks leading up to the last SB really benefited the Eagles. Kansa City was exposed and there were a lot of holding penalties called on them. We all wish that would've been us getting those calls. Just one or two would have changed the outcome of BOTH SBs and that's a legit #BookIt comment!
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by Montana:
Meh Elway is so overrated but there has been plenty of chat about that lol. Reid is a great coach, Mahomes, good qb but lucked out with refs and s**t. I doubt he would get as much praise if so much s**t/refs didn't go his way. Brady is just Brady.

The idea that refs favor the Chiefs is laughable. I see penaties that are nissed but I see those same penalties missed with other teams. Why would the NFL want the Chiefs to win? If they were going to favor a team to help them win it would be the the Jets or the Giants. Maybe the Bears. Three big market teams that haven't won much recently. It would be much better for TV ratings and ultimately even more revenue for the greedy NFL.
Actually it's laughable to claim that the Cheifs haven't gotten preferential treatment.

As to why it's simple Mahomes is the poster boy.
Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
Originally posted by genus49:
I'm sorry did you watch that 2019 SB? We had our feet cut out from under us before the game even started.

If you're going to ignore holding by the OL and one team is known for its dominant down field passing offense and the other for their great pass rush…who is at a major disadvantage?

Also the fact that the only post snap penalties called in that game were against the 49ers.

Maybe the Chiefs aren't getting extra help but some teams definitely tend to get more favorable officiating…we are not one of those teams.

When analyst show on air / TV the blatant holding (a lot) and a couple times, Bear Hugging (wrapping both arms around Bosa)... it's no longer fans whining or a conspiracy theory.

All the talks leading up to the last SB really benefited the Eagles. Kansa City was exposed and there were a lot of holding penalties called on them. We all wish that would've been us getting those calls. Just one or two would have changed the outcome of BOTH SBs and that's a legit #BookIt comment!

That was my fear about that SB…all the ref talk in the media after the conference games. I had a feeling the officiating would turn and sure enough suddenly they realize KC is allowed to be called for offensive holding.

Frustrating knowing that if they call our games fairly we're 1-1 at worst. Chiefs got away with a pretty blatant hold on Warner in OT but we had so many miscues in that one that I can't put it on officiating. 2019 tho…
  • DrEll
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Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by Montana:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by pillageDatazz:



That's cool as hell. Every dads dream, pass what you know down to your boy.

If only Kyle could win SBs like dad

Not to make excuses for Kyle or knock on Purdy, but:

Mike couldn't win a Super Bowl without John Elway

Reid could never win a Super Bowl until Patrick Mahomes came along

Belichick has been very, very meh ever since Brady left

See the pattern? Again, not knocking Purdy. Maybe slightly knocking Jimmy G even though I appreciate what he did for us. Just that these coaches all only won when they had a clear and distinct advantage.

I'd like to add and I've mentioned this before, the only qbs Kyle has lost to in the Super Bowl as HC/OC are Tom Brady and Patrick Maholmes, two probably at the end of their careers would be considered the best two, to the ever play the QB position.

Kyle could have had Brady, chose not to.
Could've gone hard after Stafford, but was busy on vacation while McVay was making moves.
Even Rodgers in his prime could've been an option if the Niners were serious enough.

If we're going to argue the missing piece behind those Super Bowl losses was Kyle not having a HOF quarterback at his disposal, the counter is that he chose not to. I'm sure trading all those picks for Trey Lance could have landed any one of those guys. Actually less. Brady wanted to come here for free.
Originally posted by DrEll:
Kyle could have had Brady, chose not to.
Could've gone hard after Stafford, but was busy on vacation while McVay was making moves.
Even Rodgers in his prime could've been an option if the Niners were serious enough.

If we're going to argue the missing piece behind those Super Bowl losses was Kyle not having a HOF quarterback at his disposal, the counter is that he chose not to. I'm sure trading all those picks for Trey Lance could have landed any one of those guys. Actually less. Brady wanted to come here for free.

You all have got to stop spreading complete BS just to try and make Kyle look bad.

The Brady move is complete hindsight. The 49ers weren't the only ones who didn't bring in Brady. He already talked about the Raiders sticking with Derek Carr over him and unlike the 49ers the Raiders weren't coming into that offseason after a SB trip. Brady was coming off his worst season as a pro, looked like he was pretty much done and going to turn 43 that next season.

The whole Stafford thing is complete BS though. Acting like Shanahan was just chilling on vacation and missed the chance to get Stafford is straight up nonsense. Lions new GM came from the Rams. He wanted Goff and they were never going to have a serious discussion with the 49ers. Stafford also had a relationship with McVay. Stafford wanted to go to the Rams, Lions wanted Goff. Shanahan could've flown to the Lions HQ and still not gotten that deal done.

As for Rodgers...Shanahan literally got LaFleur all pissed off cuz he tried to trade for Rodgers.

You're knocking him for not making 2 moves he tried to make and the other side squashed it. Your reasons for hating Kyle are literally made up.
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by Montana:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by pillageDatazz:



That's cool as hell. Every dads dream, pass what you know down to your boy.

If only Kyle could win SBs like dad

Not to make excuses for Kyle or knock on Purdy, but:

Mike couldn't win a Super Bowl without John Elway

Reid could never win a Super Bowl until Patrick Mahomes came along

Belichick has been very, very meh ever since Brady left

See the pattern? Again, not knocking Purdy. Maybe slightly knocking Jimmy G even though I appreciate what he did for us. Just that these coaches all only won when they had a clear and distinct advantage.

I'd like to add and I've mentioned this before, the only qbs Kyle has lost to in the Super Bowl as HC/OC are Tom Brady and Patrick Maholmes, two probably at the end of their careers would be considered the best two, to the ever play the QB position.

What your saying is, you need a great QB in order to win the super bowl???

How many super bowls did Elway win without Mike Shanahan? How many did Brady win without BB, one? So far Mahomes has only one super bowls with Reid. So it could go both ways. Montana didn't win a super bowl without Bill Walsh and vice versa as well.
Originally posted by glorydayz:
What your saying is, you need a great QB in order to win the super bowl???

How many super bowls did Elway win without Mike Shanahan? How many did Brady win without BB, one? So far Mahomes has only one super bowls with Reid. So it could go both ways. Montana didn't win a super bowl without Bill Walsh and vice versa as well.

What he's saying is there aren't many great HCs who have won SBS without top QBs...especially in the modern NFL.

Who are the top coaches in the salary cap era? I'll list all the SB winning coaches.

Bill Belichick - Tom Brady
Andy Reid - Patrick Mahomes
Tom Coughlin - Eli Manning
Jimmy Johnson - Troy Aikman
George Seifert - Joe Montana/Steve Young
Mike Shanahan - John Elway
Bruce Arians - Tom Brady
Brian Billick - Trent Dilfer
Pete Carroll - Russell Wilson
Bill Cowher - Ben Roethlisberger
Tony Dungy - Peyton Manning
Jon Gruden - Brad Johnson
John Harbaugh - Joe Flacco
Mike Holmgren - Brett Favre
Gary Kubiak - Peyton Manning
Mike McCarthy - Aaron Rodgers
Sean McVay - Matt Stafford
Sean Payton - Drew Brees
Doug Pederson - Nick Foles
Nick Sirianni - Jalen Hurts
Barry Switzer - Troy Aikman
Mike Tomlin - Ben Roethlisberger
Dick Vermeil - Kurt Warner

Out of all those HCs the only ones who didn't have HOF QBs were
Tom Coughlin - Eli is borderline for the HOF but they also had a great defense and strong running game and needed a LOT to go their way
Brian Billick - who had a great running game and one of the best defenses in NFL history
Jon Gruden - who had one of the best defenses in NFL history
Pete Carroll - Wilson may actually end up being a HOF QB but they still had a dominant run game and one of the best defenses in NFL history
John Harbaugh - don't even get me started on this one
Doug Pederson - dominant OL and DL play
Nick Sirianni - dominant OL, run game and DL play

So your chances to win the SB are clearly influenced heavily by having top tier QB play or having a dominant roster or all time level defense to help out.

You can make the case that 49ers best chance was actually in 2022 when we had the #1 defense in the league and an offense that was pretty good after we traded for CMC. Once again we just couldn't avoid that critical injury.

But when you get great coaching and great QB play it's just so much easier to win games in the NFL. Way less room for error when you have mid level QB play and you need everyone else to be on it.
Originally posted by genus49:
What he's saying is there aren't many great HCs who have won SBS without top QBs...especially in the modern NFL.

Who are the top coaches in the salary cap era? I'll list all the SB winning coaches.

Bill Belichick - Tom Brady
Andy Reid - Patrick Mahomes
Tom Coughlin - Eli Manning
Jimmy Johnson - Troy Aikman
George Seifert - Joe Montana/Steve Young
Mike Shanahan - John Elway
Bruce Arians - Tom Brady
Brian Billick - Trent Dilfer
Pete Carroll - Russell Wilson
Bill Cowher - Ben Roethlisberger
Tony Dungy - Peyton Manning
Jon Gruden - Brad Johnson
John Harbaugh - Joe Flacco
Mike Holmgren - Brett Favre
Gary Kubiak - Peyton Manning
Mike McCarthy - Aaron Rodgers
Sean McVay - Matt Stafford
Sean Payton - Drew Brees
Doug Pederson - Nick Foles
Nick Sirianni - Jalen Hurts
Barry Switzer - Troy Aikman
Mike Tomlin - Ben Roethlisberger
Dick Vermeil - Kurt Warner

Out of all those HCs the only ones who didn't have HOF QBs were
Tom Coughlin - Eli is borderline for the HOF but they also had a great defense and strong running game and needed a LOT to go their way
Brian Billick - who had a great running game and one of the best defenses in NFL history
Jon Gruden - who had one of the best defenses in NFL history
Pete Carroll - Wilson may actually end up being a HOF QB but they still had a dominant run game and one of the best defenses in NFL history
John Harbaugh - don't even get me started on this one
Doug Pederson - dominant OL and DL play
Nick Sirianni - dominant OL, run game and DL play

So your chances to win the SB are clearly influenced heavily by having top tier QB play or having a dominant roster or all time level defense to help out.

You can make the case that 49ers best chance was actually in 2022 when we had the #1 defense in the league and an offense that was pretty good after we traded for CMC. Once again we just couldn't avoid that critical injury.

But when you get great coaching and great QB play it's just so much easier to win games in the NFL. Way less room for error when you have mid level QB play and you need everyone else to be on it.

When you go into detail like that it just deflates an honest / real argument or debate.

I admit I use to be a big Shanny defender and still am but not as much as I was a few years ago. Still, give him a QB that won't sh!t himself when the game is on the line, give him one of those HOF QBs, any one of them, and you could do the math from there. Follow the pattern, it's and easy simple formula. I'm no mathematician, but even I know the math on that one
  • DrEll
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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Kyle could have had Brady, chose not to.
Could've gone hard after Stafford, but was busy on vacation while McVay was making moves.
Even Rodgers in his prime could've been an option if the Niners were serious enough.

If we're going to argue the missing piece behind those Super Bowl losses was Kyle not having a HOF quarterback at his disposal, the counter is that he chose not to. I'm sure trading all those picks for Trey Lance could have landed any one of those guys. Actually less. Brady wanted to come here for free.

You all have got to stop spreading complete BS just to try and make Kyle look bad.

The Brady move is complete hindsight. The 49ers weren't the only ones who didn't bring in Brady. He already talked about the Raiders sticking with Derek Carr over him and unlike the 49ers the Raiders weren't coming into that offseason after a SB trip. Brady was coming off his worst season as a pro, looked like he was pretty much done and going to turn 43 that next season.

The whole Stafford thing is complete BS though. Acting like Shanahan was just chilling on vacation and missed the chance to get Stafford is straight up nonsense. Lions new GM came from the Rams. He wanted Goff and they were never going to have a serious discussion with the 49ers. Stafford also had a relationship with McVay. Stafford wanted to go to the Rams, Lions wanted Goff. Shanahan could've flown to the Lions HQ and still not gotten that deal done.

As for Rodgers...Shanahan literally got LaFleur all pissed off cuz he tried to trade for Rodgers.

You're knocking him for not making 2 moves he tried to make and the other side squashed it. Your reasons for hating Kyle are literally made up.

You'll keep spinning your way out of blaming Kyle for anything. He picked Jimmy over Brady. In what universe does Jimmy Garoppolo an upgrade over Tom Brady ? Especially when the guy is requesting to play for your team on a cap friendly contract ?

as for Stafford:

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2021/7/7/22566773/kyle-shanahan-recalls-the-weekend-he-tried-to-trade-for-matthew-stafford

"I was trying to get involved in it. Someone who had knowledge on the situation—I remember us talking to (Stafford's agent Tom) Condon, everyone just to find out when it was happening. I remember Saturday, I was so stressed out, and finally we talked to someone—it was like seven at night—and they're like, 'No, nothing's happening. At the earliest, til tomorrow, so you can finish your night.'

"So I'm like, 'Alright, I'm done.' Put down my phone. Talk to (his wife) Mandy. I'm like, 'Alright, let's go out to dinner. Let's have some drinks.' A half-an-hour later, my buddy calls me, he's like, 'I'm just telling you, if you want Stafford, you need to get a hold of him right now.'

"I'm like, 'What do you mean? No, we just talked to people. I can sleep on this. We'll talk to him tomorrow.'

"'I'm just telling you, you need to talk to him right now.' And I knew it was all over."

Reports are that the 49ers never made an official offer to the Detroit Lions, but it sounds like Shanahan would have had he not taken the night off a little too early.

and while you're at it, you can remind all of us how it's not Shanahan's fault for not scouting Mahomes because 9 other teams passed over him in the draft…
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