Originally posted by glorydayz:
What your saying is, you need a great QB in order to win the super bowl???
How many super bowls did Elway win without Mike Shanahan? How many did Brady win without BB, one? So far Mahomes has only one super bowls with Reid. So it could go both ways. Montana didn't win a super bowl without Bill Walsh and vice versa as well.
What he's saying is there aren't many great HCs who have won SBS without top QBs...especially in the modern NFL.
Who are the top coaches in the salary cap era? I'll list all the SB winning coaches.
Bill Belichick - Tom Brady
Andy Reid - Patrick Mahomes
Tom Coughlin - Eli Manning
Jimmy Johnson - Troy Aikman
George Seifert - Joe Montana/Steve Young
Mike Shanahan - John Elway
Bruce Arians - Tom Brady
Brian Billick - Trent Dilfer
Pete Carroll - Russell Wilson
Bill Cowher - Ben Roethlisberger
Tony Dungy - Peyton Manning
Jon Gruden - Brad Johnson
John Harbaugh - Joe Flacco
Mike Holmgren - Brett Favre
Gary Kubiak - Peyton Manning
Mike McCarthy - Aaron Rodgers
Sean McVay - Matt Stafford
Sean Payton - Drew Brees
Doug Pederson - Nick Foles
Nick Sirianni - Jalen Hurts
Barry Switzer - Troy Aikman
Mike Tomlin - Ben Roethlisberger
Dick Vermeil - Kurt Warner
Out of all those HCs the only ones who didn't have HOF QBs were
Tom Coughlin - Eli is borderline for the HOF but they also had a great defense and strong running game and needed a LOT to go their way
Brian Billick - who had a great running game and one of the best defenses in NFL history
Jon Gruden - who had one of the best defenses in NFL history
Pete Carroll - Wilson may actually end up being a HOF QB but they still had a dominant run game and one of the best defenses in NFL history
John Harbaugh - don't even get me started on this one
Doug Pederson - dominant OL and DL play
Nick Sirianni - dominant OL, run game and DL play
So your chances to win the SB are clearly influenced heavily by having top tier QB play or having a dominant roster or all time level defense to help out.
You can make the case that 49ers best chance was actually in 2022 when we had the #1 defense in the league and an offense that was pretty good after we traded for CMC. Once again we just couldn't avoid that critical injury.
But when you get great coaching and great QB play it's just so much easier to win games in the NFL. Way less room for error when you have mid level QB play and you need everyone else to be on it.