49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by tankle104:
People tend to ignore the bad and only talk about the good. Those 81-98 teams were awesome but also lost a lot of big games, blew big games, even sometimes struggled in big games they won. A lot of fans seems to think it was always flawless execution and domination and that just isn't true.

1981 season NFCC woth Montana is a great example. Everyone remembers "the catch" but never talks about the god awful game he had up till that point. lol

i believe in shanny. Shame he hasn't won one but his career with Brock is just starting - he accomplished a ton for not having a top qb

Of course they suffered big losses every good team in the league does. The difference is the organization won SBs when they got that far back then. They were the team of the 80s for a reason

the niners have blown a few superbowls with Kyle, which obviously sucks. But they've had great success overall and rebuilt probably the worst team in the nfl. Horrible culture etc.

just be patient. One team a year wins the big one - just enjoy the ride

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
The saying should have been 49ers HC don't lose SBs. KS should shoulder the majority of the blame for blowing 2 10PT leads in the 4th quarter of SBs.

Didnt have a 10 pt lead in the 4th quarter of the last one. 9ers actually trailed going into the 4th.

"The 80s & 90s 49ers always won when it mattered."

Tell that to Roger Craig, who has basically been punished by the NFL and kept out of the Hall of Fame because of his fumble in the 1990 NFC Championship Game.

"The 80s & 90s 49ers always overcame the officials."

Tell that to the 1983 team, who got jobbed in the NFC Championship Game.

"The 80s & 90s 49ers always overcame injuries to win it all."

Tell that to the 1986 or 1997 teams when they lost Montana and Rice, respectively.

"The 80s and 90s 49ers were always prepared to play in the post season."

Tell that to the 1986 and 1987 teams, who lost in their opening playoff games by a combined total of 85-27.

The 80s & 90s teams never had to face the Reid Chiefs in the SB, a team uniquely capable at come from behind scoring that has never been equalled. The 2019 Chiefs' comeback in the SB was their least impressive one that post-season.

It is what it is, guys. I'd rather take my chances with Shanahan than roll the dice and have a rotating series of HCs that go 8-9 over the next decade.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
We were 5-7 in NFC championship games in the 70s-90s.

People tend to ignore the bad and only talk about the good. Those 81-98 teams were awesome but also lost a lot of big games, blew big games, even sometimes struggled in big games they won. A lot of fans seems to think it was always flawless execution and domination and that just isn't true.

1981 season NFCC woth Montana is a great example. Everyone remembers "the catch" but never talks about the god awful game he had up till that point. lol

i believe in shanny. Shame he hasn't won one but his career with Brock is just starting - he accomplished a ton for not having a top qb

Fun fact had that game against Dallas gone EXACTLY the same way with today's rules odds are Dallas kicks a game winning FG and we don't win our first SB and who knows how that changes things moving forward.

People forget that after Clark's catch Dallas hit a big pass play on offense and it took a now illegal horse collar tackle to bring Pearson down.

With the rules Shanahan is playing with Dallas would have the ball on our 29 yard line, instant game winning FG range.

Another reason comparing eras and how things were ran is stupid. They're not comparable. Both from team building perspective or the rules and logistics teams had to deal with.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
The saying should have been 49ers HC don't lose SBs. KS should shoulder the majority of the blame for blowing 2 10PT leads in the 4th quarter of SBs.

Didnt have a 10 pt lead in the 4th quarter of the last one. 9ers actually trailed going into the 4th.

Seems like people don't even need to keep things factual anymore. Guess Harbaugh blew a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter vs Seattle in 2013 too.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
We were 5-7 in NFC championship games in the 70s-90s.

People tend to ignore the bad and only talk about the good. Those 81-98 teams were awesome but also lost a lot of big games, blew big games, even sometimes struggled in big games they won. A lot of fans seems to think it was always flawless execution and domination and that just isn't true.

1981 season NFCC woth Montana is a great example. Everyone remembers "the catch" but never talks about the god awful game he had up till that point. lol

i believe in shanny. Shame he hasn't won one but his career with Brock is just starting - he accomplished a ton for not having a top qb

Fun fact had that game against Dallas gone EXACTLY the same way with today's rules odds are Dallas kicks a game winning FG and we don't win our first SB and who knows how that changes things moving forward.

People forget that after Clark's catch Dallas hit a big pass play on offense and it took a now illegal horse collar tackle to bring Pearson down.

With the rules Shanahan is playing with Dallas would have the ball on our 29 yard line, instant game winning FG range.

Another reason comparing eras and how things were ran is stupid. They're not comparable. Both from team building perspective or the rules and logistics teams had to deal with.

Or if Dan Bunz doesn't make the most important tackle in SB16 Walsh is known as the HC that blew a 20-0 SB half-time lead.

You could make an argument that Walsh's entire reputation rested on Bunz making that tackle. I'd call that a stupid argument, but I also call the argument that Kyle's reputation is as a guy who blows leads - while ignoring that it was Saleh's defense that couldn't tackle Tyreke Hill, or Jimmy G that couldn't hit Sanders - a stupid one.

Reality is far more nuanced, but takes actual conversation to analyze.

Kyle Shanahan = Steve Sarkisian

Steven Sarkisian = Kyle Shanahan

!!!

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
We were 5-7 in NFC championship games in the 70s-90s.

People tend to ignore the bad and only talk about the good. Those 81-98 teams were awesome but also lost a lot of big games, blew big games, even sometimes struggled in big games they won. A lot of fans seems to think it was always flawless execution and domination and that just isn't true.

1981 season NFCC woth Montana is a great example. Everyone remembers "the catch" but never talks about the god awful game he had up till that point. lol

i believe in shanny. Shame he hasn't won one but his career with Brock is just starting - he accomplished a ton for not having a top qb

Fun fact had that game against Dallas gone EXACTLY the same way with today's rules odds are Dallas kicks a game winning FG and we don't win our first SB and who knows how that changes things moving forward.

People forget that after Clark's catch Dallas hit a big pass play on offense and it took a now illegal horse collar tackle to bring Pearson down.

With the rules Shanahan is playing with Dallas would have the ball on our 29 yard line, instant game winning FG range.

Another reason comparing eras and how things were ran is stupid. They're not comparable. Both from team building perspective or the rules and logistics teams had to deal with.

Impossible to compare eras. That's why I don't like to say so and so is thgen greatest QB or WR ever. Otto Graham (before even my time) was the greatest in his era. Unitis in the 50s was considered the best. Montana in his. Brady in his. To say any of thise 4 was really that much better without considering the way the game and the players around them change is silly. I've lived through what I consider 3 distenct eras in football. The mid 50s and 60s where the running game was dominant. The 70s thru the early 90s where the passing game became more sophisticated. The mid 90s to the present. The later changed things drastically because of free agency and the salary cap.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Steve Young didn't lose big games?

Has shanny won a Super Bowl. Nope. Watch how Eddie debartolo opens that episode and what he says. That's what the Niners use to stand for and we just don't anymore. Shanny wouldn't have lasted 3 years here under an ownership who cared about winning. The dude is a loser. I remember what falcons fans were saying g when we hired him and I knew he was the wrong guy then. UNFORTUNATLEY, I'm right. As long as he's here we won't win number 6.

you specifically brought up Steve Young. you're just gonna ignore Young's losses in his opportunities to even play in a SB? '92, '93, '95, '96, '97, '98. your logic is stupid.

Everyone gets a pass for their shortcomings as long as they win at least 1 championship, where's Kyle's at?

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
Everyone gets a pass for their shortcomings as long as they win at least 1 championship, where's Kyle's at?

Steve didn't get a pass until he won. Funny how you give the greats opportunities and they cash in. Same with Peyton.

Originally posted by genus49:
Fun fact had that game against Dallas gone EXACTLY the same way with today's rules odds are Dallas kicks a game winning FG and we don't win our first SB and who knows how that changes things moving forward.

People forget that after Clark's catch Dallas hit a big pass play on offense and it took a now illegal horse collar tackle to bring Pearson down.

With the rules Shanahan is playing with Dallas would have the ball on our 29 yard line, instant game winning FG range.

Another reason comparing eras and how things were ran is stupid. They're not comparable. Both from team building perspective or the rules and logistics teams had to deal with.

It's kind of a pointless argument because it'll all circle back to "idk but they won SBs!".

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
Everyone gets a pass for their shortcomings as long as they win at least 1 championship, where's Kyle's at?

Andy Reid was a "failure" for about 20 years as hc (until he stumbled into a hof QB....)

I don't think kyles HC story is done yet. I am confident he will win one, I just hope it's with us

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
Everyone gets a pass for their shortcomings as long as they win at least 1 championship, where's Kyle's at?

Andy Reid was a "failure" for about 20 years as hc (until he stumbled into a hof QB....)

I don't think kyles HC story is done yet. I am confident he will win one, I just hope it's with us

Thank goodness Jed York can see the long view whereas many among the fans and media are exceedingly short-sighted.

Shanahan is arguably a top 5 and easily a top 10 head coach