49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Man, i can't stand Kyle even more than ever right now. I just saw an interview with Brady talking about going against the chiefs with the Bucs in the Super Bowl and he said his super power wasn't how fast he could run or how hard he could throw, it was he knew exactly what the KC defense was going to do. Yeah, it would have sucked having that guy as our QB. And I guarantee Kyle didn't want Brady because he wouldn't have been plyable like Jimmy and Brock are. Kyle can do his S and a lesser QB will just go along with it like a QB like Brady wouldn't have. Kyle would have sent in what Jimmy called, one of his sucky calls, and he wouldn't have audibled right out of it. The 49ers haven't won a Super Bowl because Kyle is a control freak and he's stubborn and refuses to change.

Hindsight is always 20/20. It's easy to look back and say we should have done this or that. Lots of other teams wrote Brady off after 2019, and we'd just been in the superbowl.
you are using fan logic.
If Kyle could get a time machine and go back and sign Brady in 2020, he would knowing what we know now.

Brady's defense won that SB lol

as for Brady coming here, in no way we would have gotten the same Brady.

The 2019 Bucs were 7-9
The 2020 Bucs were 11-5 and won the Super Bowl.

Tom Brady had everything to do with that swing. I know it's hard giving credit to someone that could've done the same for us if our head coach made the right decision, but let's not be disingenuous and take credit away from the greatest quarterback of this generation just to prop up Kyle Shanahan…

Do you ignore everything genus has told you on purpose? Can't come up with any facts and rely on BS comments of making right decisions.

why do you purposely leave out all facts. this always make you look like you have no idea what you are talking about.

I would take genus's advice if i were you.

Yea. Tom Brady had nothing to do with winning that SB for Tampa...

right, would like to see where anyone has said he did nothing

"Brady's defense won that SB lol"

Your words. I will give you some credit, though.

I lived in Tampa from 2018-2021. TBs defense was very good that year. But they improved significantly because they finally had an offense that could sustain drives and not turn the ball over. Jameis Winston had like 30 INTs in 2019.

lets use your logic, are you saying they didn't have nothing to do with it ?

I think Tom Brady had more (perhaps a lot more) to do with them getting to and winning that SB than the defense did. It's impossible to quantify but like I said, the difference in offensive TOs from the QB position in 2019 vs 2020 point to a major improvement on the offensive side of the ball which in turn helps the defense. They played complementary football as all good teams do. Your post indicates that the D had more to do with winning than Tom Brady which I (and most people) would wholeheartedly disagree with.

in that SB the Defense did, heck look at that defensive run in the playoffs crazy

TB does bring in some magic, but it wasn't some juggernaut offense or some passing clinic. no one outside of TB had them locked in as for sure SB winners

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Man, i can't stand Kyle even more than ever right now. I just saw an interview with Brady talking about going against the chiefs with the Bucs in the Super Bowl and he said his super power wasn't how fast he could run or how hard he could throw, it was he knew exactly what the KC defense was going to do. Yeah, it would have sucked having that guy as our QB. And I guarantee Kyle didn't want Brady because he wouldn't have been plyable like Jimmy and Brock are. Kyle can do his S and a lesser QB will just go along with it like a QB like Brady wouldn't have. Kyle would have sent in what Jimmy called, one of his sucky calls, and he wouldn't have audibled right out of it. The 49ers haven't won a Super Bowl because Kyle is a control freak and he's stubborn and refuses to change.

Hindsight is always 20/20. It's easy to look back and say we should have done this or that. Lots of other teams wrote Brady off after 2019, and we'd just been in the superbowl.
you are using fan logic.
If Kyle could get a time machine and go back and sign Brady in 2020, he would knowing what we know now.

Brady's defense won that SB lol

as for Brady coming here, in no way we would have gotten the same Brady.

The 2019 Bucs were 7-9
The 2020 Bucs were 11-5 and won the Super Bowl.

Tom Brady had everything to do with that swing. I know it's hard giving credit to someone that could've done the same for us if our head coach made the right decision, but let's not be disingenuous and take credit away from the greatest quarterback of this generation just to prop up Kyle Shanahan…

Do you ignore everything genus has told you on purpose? Can't come up with any facts and rely on BS comments of making right decisions.

why do you purposely leave out all facts. this always make you look like you have no idea what you are talking about.

I would take genus's advice if i were you.

Yea. Tom Brady had nothing to do with winning that SB for Tampa...

right, would like to see where anyone has said he did nothing

"Brady's defense won that SB lol"

Your words. I will give you some credit, though.

I lived in Tampa from 2018-2021. TBs defense was very good that year. But they improved significantly because they finally had an offense that could sustain drives and not turn the ball over. Jameis Winston had like 30 INTs in 2019.

lets use your logic, are you saying they didn't have nothing to do with it ?

I think Tom Brady had more (perhaps a lot more) to do with them getting to and winning that SB than the defense did. It's impossible to quantify but like I said, the difference in offensive TOs from the QB position in 2019 vs 2020 point to a major improvement on the offensive side of the ball which in turn helps the defense. They played complementary football as all good teams do. Your post indicates that the D had more to do with winning than Tom Brady which I (and most people) would wholeheartedly disagree with.

in that SB the Defense did, heck look at that defensive run in the playoffs crazy

TB does bring in some magic, but it wasn't some juggernaut offense or some passing clinic. no one outside of TB had them locked in as for sure SB winners

Well they went TD, downs (drive ended at KC 1), TD, TD, TD, FG on 6 consecutive drives to get the 31 points. So it wasn't like the O was middling and needed to be bailed out by the D.

What really pisses me off about that SB is that the refs called it completely differently than 2019.

KC got called for 11 penalties in that game. If they call the 3rd and 15 hold on Bosa or any of the hits to the head / late hit out of bounds on Jimmy G in 2019 we win that SB.

that Bucs offense was loaded fwiw.

QB- TB
RB - R. Jones, Fournette, Mccoy
WR - Evans, Godwin, AB
TE- Gronk

just food for thought

continue guys.



also all them chokes and we still #1

Why are we still talking about the 2020 Bucs here? I'm sure there are threads in the NFL section to discuss them.

AClearly the 49ers messed up not bringing in Brady. He would've brought Gronk with him and maybe recruited some others. Maybe with him in tow we make some deferent moves - like taking Wirfs instead of Kinlaw. Maybe not.

It's also fair to say that 2020 49ers roster had a very different setup than the Bucs and if the injuries we had still happen(who knows butterfly effect and all that) then we're not winning the SB even with Tom that year.

Either way the decision not to bring in Tom was perfectly logical at the time. People playing the hindsight game acting like it was a slam dunk move the 49ers should've made.

Originally posted by genus49:
Why are we still talking about the 2020 Bucs here? I'm sure there are threads in the NFL section to discuss them.

AClearly the 49ers messed up not bringing in Brady. He would've brought Gronk with him and maybe recruited some others. Maybe with him in tow we make some deferent moves - like taking Wirfs instead of Kinlaw. Maybe not.

It's also fair to say that 2020 49ers roster had a very different setup than the Bucs and if the injuries we had still happen(who knows butterfly effect and all that) then we're not winning the SB even with Tom that year.

Either way the decision not to bring in Tom was perfectly logical at the time. People playing the hindsight game acting like it was a slam dunk move the 49ers should've made.

I would never, EVER root for us to lose a playoff game. Ever. Let alone take away a Super Bowl appearance from our history. Plus hindsight is 50/50.

But I just can't help but wonder… if the first playoff game against the Vikings, Jimmy had completely choked and threw 3+ interceptions in a close loss… how differently the next few years may have been

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
I would never, EVER root for us to lose a playoff game. Ever. Let alone take away a Super Bowl appearance from our history. Plus hindsight is 50/50.

But I just can't help but wonder… if the first playoff game against the Vikings, Jimmy had completely choked and threw 3+ interceptions in a close loss… how differently the next few years may have been

Yeah in hindsight the Jimmy G trade really hurt us.

Hard to know what happens but there's a chance we would've had Josh Allen and/or Tom Brady here had we not made that trade.

Of course the likeliest move is Cousins is the QB in 2018 but Shanahan talked about liking Josh Allen a lot too.

Tho I do wonder what we look like in 2019 with Cousins in instead of Jimmy and with the 2nd round pick we traded for him used on another player.

Of course the unknown is Bosa. Doubt we get that pick without Jimmy's knee in 2018.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
I would never, EVER root for us to lose a playoff game. Ever. Let alone take away a Super Bowl appearance from our history. Plus hindsight is 50/50.

But I just can't help but wonder… if the first playoff game against the Vikings, Jimmy had completely choked and threw 3+ interceptions in a close loss… how differently the next few years may have been

I cant help but wonder if Jimmy threw 3+ TDs in the 2019 Superbowl & won... How differently the next few years go. No need to trade up for Trey Lance, they are able to take Micah Parsons and the 49ers are a 2x Superbowl Champion with Bosa and Parsons anchoring the D.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
I would never, EVER root for us to lose a playoff game. Ever. Let alone take away a Super Bowl appearance from our history. Plus hindsight is 50/50.

But I just can't help but wonder… if the first playoff game against the Vikings, Jimmy had completely choked and threw 3+ interceptions in a close loss… how differently the next few years may have been

I cant help but wonder if Jimmy threw 3+ TDs in the 2019 Superbowl & won... How differently the next few years go. No need to trade up for Trey Lance, they are able to take Micah Parsons and the 49ers are a 2x Superbowl Champion with Bosa and Parsons anchoring the D.

Ehhh zero chance we take Parsons IMO especially since Dallas was at #10 initially. Would've probably drafted Rashawn Slater with that pick.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
I would never, EVER root for us to lose a playoff game. Ever. Let alone take away a Super Bowl appearance from our history. Plus hindsight is 50/50.

But I just can't help but wonder… if the first playoff game against the Vikings, Jimmy had completely choked and threw 3+ interceptions in a close loss… how differently the next few years may have been

I cant help but wonder if Jimmy threw 3+ TDs in the 2019 Superbowl & won... How differently the next few years go. No need to trade up for Trey Lance, they are able to take Micah Parsons and the 49ers are a 2x Superbowl Champion with Bosa and Parsons anchoring the D.

Ehhh zero chance we take Parsons IMO especially since Dallas was at #10 initially. Would've probably drafted Rashawn Slater with that pick.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
I would never, EVER root for us to lose a playoff game. Ever. Let alone take away a Super Bowl appearance from our history. Plus hindsight is 50/50.

But I just can't help but wonder… if the first playoff game against the Vikings, Jimmy had completely choked and threw 3+ interceptions in a close loss… how differently the next few years may have been

I cant help but wonder if Jimmy threw 3+ TDs in the 2019 Superbowl & won... How differently the next few years go. No need to trade up for Trey Lance, they are able to take Micah Parsons and the 49ers are a 2x Superbowl Champion with Bosa and Parsons anchoring the D.

Did you guys miss the part that Kyle Shanahan is the head coach in both scenarios ?

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
I would never, EVER root for us to lose a playoff game. Ever. Let alone take away a Super Bowl appearance from our history. Plus hindsight is 50/50.

But I just can't help but wonder… if the first playoff game against the Vikings, Jimmy had completely choked and threw 3+ interceptions in a close loss… how differently the next few years may have been

I cant help but wonder if Jimmy threw 3+ TDs in the 2019 Superbowl & won... How differently the next few years go. No need to trade up for Trey Lance, they are able to take Micah Parsons and the 49ers are a 2x Superbowl Champion with Bosa and Parsons anchoring the D.

Did you guys miss the part that Kyle Shanahan is the head coach in both scenarios ?

well yeah, that's why they have multiple SBs in their convos

Originally posted by Leathaface:
One major area Kyle needs to improve is his 3rd and 4th down play selection. There has been a major trend in the NFL to start running the ball on 3rd and medium in order to setup a manageable 4th and short. We haven't joined that trend for whatever reason (poor O line play perhaps) but the fact is, the 49ers need to go for more 4th downs. It wasn't as big of a deal in 2022 and 2023 when the offense was putting up a lot of points and could get leads. But in games (and seasons) where the team is imperfect (poor RZ efficiency, middling D and ST), you have to go for it when the statistics favor conversion in order to sustain drives. This isn't some major breakthrough, obviously. Many teams are going it for more than ever.

10 of the top 12 teams in 4th down efficiency made the playoffs in 2024. The 49ers had the 4th least 4th down attempts. Now it can be a bit misleading as you don't have to go for A LOT of 4th downs to be successful. You just have to know when to go for it and be efficient at it.

This is an area I really hope improves in 25-26 now that Kyle can focus on the offense with Saleh and the ST units covered.

I think the issue is related to OL. It felt like Kyle was more likely to go for it on 4th with the offense we had in 2023 but I don't think he's playing for the possibility of going for it on 4th down so in that regard I do think he can definitely be more aggressive.

The ironic thing is people get upset at him for when he gets too aggressive - passing with the lead and then still get on him when he tempers his aggressiveness.

For me the biggest thing Kyle needs to change is giving Brock more control at the line before the snap. We saw Hurts read the defense and change AJ Brown's route on the play. Someone smarter than me can keep me honest here but I believe that Brock doesn't have the ability to do that.

I heard Kyle's reasoning for why he does it this way and it does make sense…I just think you need to account for that stuff in key moments in big games. Other coordinators are using our own protection tendencies against us in big moments. Giving Brock the ability to adjust routes or even protection when he spots something in a big moment would be huge. Sure sometimes QBs can be fooled just like anyone else but I'd certainly trust Brock's ability to read the defense over Hurts' if he's trusted to do that, Brock needs to have that tool in his repertoire as well.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
that Bucs offense was loaded fwiw.

QB- TB
RB - R. Jones, Fournette, Mccoy
WR - Evans, Godwin, AB
TE- Gronk

just food for thought

continue guys.



also all them chokes and we still #1

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Originally posted by genus49:
Why are we still talking about the 2020 Bucs here? I'm sure there are threads in the NFL section to discuss them.

AClearly the 49ers messed up not bringing in Brady. He would've brought Gronk with him and maybe recruited some others. Maybe with him in tow we make some deferent moves - like taking Wirfs instead of Kinlaw. Maybe not.

It's also fair to say that 2020 49ers roster had a very different setup than the Bucs and if the injuries we had still happen(who knows butterfly effect and all that) then we're not winning the SB even with Tom that year.

Either way the decision not to bring in Tom was perfectly logical at the time. People playing the hindsight game acting like it was a slam dunk move the 49ers should've made.

Maybe not a slam dunk but certainly a layup. The big question was "does Brady still have it?" We just watched Jimmy G lose the SB and many at the time believed he peaked. What you see if what you will always get. Not better but can get worse. So any version of Brady would have been better than Jimmy imo

It was also a move that could have prevented a SB hangover. Or like you said with the butterfly effect maybe we don't get so injured. It would have spiced up the Niners sex life like role playing or wearing your wife's dresses on Valentine's Day. The staleness would have been gone and a great new storyline in SF

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by genus49:
Why are we still talking about the 2020 Bucs here? I'm sure there are threads in the NFL section to discuss them.

AClearly the 49ers messed up not bringing in Brady. He would've brought Gronk with him and maybe recruited some others. Maybe with him in tow we make some deferent moves - like taking Wirfs instead of Kinlaw. Maybe not.

It's also fair to say that 2020 49ers roster had a very different setup than the Bucs and if the injuries we had still happen(who knows butterfly effect and all that) then we're not winning the SB even with Tom that year.

Either way the decision not to bring in Tom was perfectly logical at the time. People playing the hindsight game acting like it was a slam dunk move the 49ers should've made.

Maybe not a slam dunk but certainly a layup. The big question was "does Brady still have it?" We just watched Jimmy G lose the SB and many at the time believed he peaked. What you see if what you will always get. Not better but can get worse. So any version of Brady would have been better than Jimmy imo

It was also a move that could have prevented a SB hangover. Or like you said with the butterfly effect maybe we don't get so injured. It would have spiced up the Niners sex life like role playing or wearing your wife's dresses on Valentine's Day. The staleness would have been gone and a great new storyline in SF

Honestly I was just happy, once the news came out he wanted to come here, that we felt Brady was better then Jimmy.

We may not like it but I think everyone should understand the circumstances. You went to the SB with Jimmy G, he's 13 years younger than Tom who looked to be finally getting caught by father time.

You have to account for the locker room which loved Jimmy. Sure we can argue selling Tom Brady isn't a tough task but it's also a quick way to lose the team if you bring Tom in and he proves he can't play well into mid 40s.

Nobody has done it at that level in the history of the game. I don't think it was a slam dunk or layup to think he could do what he did with Tampa given what we saw with NE in 2019.

That's why I say I think we can easily say they made a huge mistake not bringing in Tom but at the same time it shouldn't be difficult to understand the thinking of why they didn't at the time.