49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by random49er:
The next time he has a good game (because he will),...can we point out all week long how he was just throwing to Kyle's primary reads all game long?

Just seems to be a huge void every week where the the offense seems decent. I mean this rhetoric is nowhere to be found. Only when we play bad does it get repeated ad nauseum.

Yah the offense is never simple and predictable when it works. Ironic.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
OK, let's just say he nixed Kyle's design and went with Wilson as the hot read pre snap FTW. What KW is saying is in a 0 blitz you get one split second. You have to guess here. And in your Cards scenario, he guessed right.

You're saying he could have done the same thing on the INT. KW is saying if those 2 defenders bluff and back up, Wilson is covered and if Kittle pops open, he'll be equally scrutinized. You play the odds.

He didn't make a mistake here in his choice pre snap. He simply played the odds and stuck to Kyle's primary. And it TOO is a good option if he throws to the corner.

You have the benefit of Madden hindsight and he's playing within real-world scenarios. As KW illustrated. He also illustrated it on a flare to the backside to CMC. He knows fans don't get it.

If they back out you have time to get back around and look to Kittle.

Those two defenders backing up actually are on the opposite side from Wilson anyway. It's why you key on Wilson's defender. Once you see him come it's an easy read.

What fans don't get is what Cosell talked about with Tom Tolbert. Players not executing is a far bigger issue then coaching. But blaming the coaches is far easier.

You do not have time to look to a back side AND a play side on a 0 blitz esp. when you need a couple seconds for the primary to open up in the corner of the EZ. Hell, he barely had time to look play side. LOL.

I mean, unless you have monocular vision, you're not keeping an eye on both simultaneously.

Also, any 3 of those defenders could drop back including the DE there (like Clark on Wilson earlier for the dropped TD). If ANY of them drop they are already in the space of the Texas route.

Originally posted by NCommand:
You do not have time to look to a back side AND a play side on a 0 blitz esp. when you need a couple seconds for the primary to open up in the corner of the EZ. Hell, he barely had time to look play side. LOL.

I mean, unless you have monocular vision, you're not keeping an eye on both simultaneously.

If they back out you do. You said what if they back out.

Him not having time play side is exactly why you read backside to start. More guys are coming play side on the blitz. Read Wilson's defender and make the throw when he comes. Just like he did in 2019.

Warner never read slant to Larry Fitz backside to beat blitz? Come the f on.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Gore:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. Go listen to KW again. He walks you through 2 examples of the backside outlet and how fans will screen, "But that guy was wide open over there!" Yup.

I listened to him. On both plays Jimmy needs to read blitz and go to the backside just like he did in 2019. It's his job to read the defense pre and post snap.

When the play was called in 2019 how would Kyle know it was zero blitz to know Jeff Wilson should be the primary?

You don't seem to understand that qbs are allowed to adjust who they throw to based on pre snap reads. That's what happened in 2019. Jimmy saw a look and adjusted accordingly. He misread things this week.

Yup. NC has posted this quite a few times now. Even though it's proven over and over again that Kyle doesn't just run a 1 read scheme. There's progressions...

For the most part Kyle is not teaching Jimmy to just lock in on one guy and stare him down the whole time. There's times where Jimmy scans the field, but most often then not he doesn't. There are times when certain plays just have just one or two reads, but he makes it out seem like that's the majority of them.

LOL.

Good thing the WZ has All, 9ers4eva and Gore > Kurt Warner.

Who needs dudes like JD, Panelli and Warner???

Classic NC, attacks the poster

if you guys are still talking about the RZ Int, it's a really simple read and play. NC trying to make it harder than it really is

but that what you do when you protect your boy

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You do not have time to look to a back side AND a play side on a 0 blitz esp. when you need a couple seconds for the primary to open up in the corner of the EZ. Hell, he barely had time to look play side. LOL.

I mean, unless you have monocular vision, you're not keeping an eye on both simultaneously.

If they back out you do. You said what if they back out.

Him not having time play side is exactly why you read backside to start. More guys are coming play side on the blitz. Read Wilson's defender and make the throw when he comes. Just like he did in 2019.

Warner never read slant to Larry Fitz backside to beat blitz? Come the f on.

You make the choice before hand. Back pedaled to buy another second. Terrible throw.

There was also a chance the play side blitzers bluffed too making it an easy TD.

This ain't hindsight Madden, homie.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Classic NC, attacks the poster

if you guys are still talking about the RZ Int, it's a really simple read and play. NC trying to make it harder than it really is

but that what you do when you protect your boy

"Still didn't watch! Haha!" ~ All

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
KW even went to great lengths to explain why its better to have a hot route on the play side vs. back side esp. to guard against a zero blitz.

This isn't a JG issue. This will happen to Trey too. Like he said, this is a design/concept issue and it's even more compounded in both RZ's.

And yes, going to Kittle 1on1 in the corner of the EZ when the DB is shaded inside to guard against a slant is absolutely a good idea. It was the execution that was a train wreck.

Yet Wilson in 2019 wasn't on the play side.

We ran this play a few more times after… but now he's not supposed to go to Wilson lol

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
We ran this play a few more times after… but now he's not supposed to go to Wilson lol

If you read zero blitz correctly it's always gonna be the proper read. Even more so with Mac.

Originally posted by NCommand:
You make the choice before hand. Back pedaled to buy another second. Terrible throw.

There was also a chance the play side blitzers bluffed too making it an easy TD.

This ain't hindsight Madden, homie.

Having a "Madden" attitude would be pretending as if you can change coaches (or training staffs) much the same way you can change joystick holders and reap success like they were the only variable.

Hmmmm,...wonder who here pervades this belief here over and over?

The main Madden pretender here is actually the constant Madden accuser, IMO.

To a few here, the best coaches we could and should have will always be the ones we'll never have.

And I see what you're really doing!! In this way, what you're really purporting is that you are the one that should be managing the hiring and firing process and until then, we'll never have things fixed.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Classic NC, attacks the poster

if you guys are still talking about the RZ Int, it's a really simple read and play. NC trying to make it harder than it really is

but that what you do when you protect your boy

"Still didn't watch! Haha!" ~ All

Didn't watch what, seen this play so many times, seen it go for TD to win a game, seen it a few times last year also

If we want to pretend he was the primary which you have no proof of, why would jimmy stare down the guy and give away the play like it did? why would jimmy need to watch kittle like he doesn't know which way the route is going.. just throw where he should be, why would we go away from worked all the other times we ran it lol

never seen NC play so much defense for a guy before lol

Does anyone else feel like Shannahan is ready to move on to another team? I don't see Shannahan as a lifer on one team, similar to how he was a Offensive Coordinator for tons of teams. I just have a feeling he is going thru the motions sometimes. Maybe someone else can chime in.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
We ran this play a few more times after… but now he's not supposed to go to Wilson lol

If you read zero blitz correctly it's always gonna be the proper read. Even more so with Mac.

So let me ask you two QB experts, was Kittle a poor pre snap read/option/design?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Didn't watch what,

Eggggsactly.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Didn't watch what,

Eggggsactly.

Exactly what, this post shows you're full of it lol

scared to answer the question lol

Originally posted by 49ers_Life:
Does anyone else feel like Shannahan is ready to move on to another team? I don't see Shannahan as a lifer on one team, similar to how he was a Offensive Coordinator for tons of teams. I just have a feeling he is going thru the motions sometimes. Maybe someone else can chime in.

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