49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by CoachMike:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Lol, these accounts were just created to profess doom and gloom.

Or to profess reality. 0-5 is reality. 22 consecutive possessions without a TD against not great defenses is reality. The fact that the 49ers will not be favored to win any game they play this season is reality.

Yeah, its called being 5 games into a total rebuild, brainiac. This team is a mash-up of all new players. A TON of rookies are getting regular playing time. The offense is highly complex. Look at how a veteran Falcons team fared in year 1 learning Shanahan's offense in 2015.

Were bad, but everyone knew we would be. Thats the point of a rebuild. You take a step back so you can take multiple steps forward.

Im watching a team who fights hard every week. They dont quit, and they dont point fingers. Were just losing very close games. The QB play is the issue here. If we had Carson Palmer wed be 4-1 right now. The D keeps us in the game all day long, but Hoyer cant make the throws. He's missing wide open guys on a regular basis.

Once we can get the QB position fixed, and gets those reps in on offense, and chemistry on D, the wins will start coming.

All the reason why I want to see CJ now. Maybe he's a spark for the offense, maybe he's not. There's no point in going with Hoyer the rest of the way knowing he's not the future anyway. Game day experience is what CJ needs to start getting and with 12 games left, its a nice stretch to see if CJ "can" be the guy. Shanny / Lynch have to have a good idea by week 14-week16 if they need to draft a QB or go after a FA.

The Seahawks played Indy and the Rams close and they won. If they didn't have Wilson, you have to think they lose those 2 games as well.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by CoachMike:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Lol, these accounts were just created to profess doom and gloom.

Or to profess reality. 0-5 is reality. 22 consecutive possessions without a TD against not great defenses is reality. The fact that the 49ers will not be favored to win any game they play this season is reality.

Yeah, its called being 5 games into a total rebuild, brainiac. This team is a mash-up of all new players. A TON of rookies are getting regular playing time. The offense is highly complex. Look at how a veteran Falcons team fared in year 1 learning Shanahan's offense in 2015.

Were bad, but everyone knew we would be. Thats the point of a rebuild. You take a step back so you can take multiple steps forward.

Im watching a team who fights hard every week. They dont quit, and they dont point fingers. Were just losing very close games. The QB play is the issue here. If we had Carson Palmer wed be 4-1 right now. The D keeps us in the game all day long, but Hoyer cant make the throws. He's missing wide open guys on a regular basis.

Once we can get the QB position fixed, and gets those reps in on offense, and chemistry on D, the wins will start coming.

RIP Braniac

Originally posted by bvc49:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by bvc49:
how is he better than Chip? Was Chip's roster better? Is the time of possession better? Is our defense better rested?

Are we getting fewer penalties? Are we wasting fewer timeouts?

I guess you weren't paying attention to the atlanta falcons the past couple years.

Was Chip or Kyle the head coach of Atlanta the past couple years

why is chip unemployed and Kyle is not? you're comparing apples to steak. get real. you miss the point completely

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Lol, these accounts were just created to profess doom and gloom.

Haha....yep, just had to get in here to get it off his chest. Has been watching for 50 years Yep, this team that has lost 4 games by a total of 11 points that's includes 3 games on the road and 2 in OT is the worst ever

Originally posted by Rascal:
You can't just attribute the 2 wins on Jeff Fisher being crap. Well, guess what? Chip Kelly was just as crap.

I don't give a sh*t whether we lose by 2 points or 20 points, if is not a win it is a loss.There are no moral victories here, all you would be doing is encouraging a losing mentality and culture.

Bottom line, I cannot believe for a moment the combo of Lynch and Shanahan cannot beat Baalke and Kelly. They are supposed to be miles better and they have churned the entire roster over and brought in their own players.

If we still can't beat that pathetic 2-0 Chip Kelly record then that tells me we are basically eating sh*t!!

I know it takes more than 6 months to rebuild a team, but no one is asking for the Super Bowl. All I am asking is to beat that POS Chip Kelly's 2-0 record. There needs to be some form of improvements and progression. There would be ZERO excuse if Lynch and Shanahan can't even come up with more than 2 wins.

I have listed my benchmark of expectations since last year and anybody who has commented on it have agreed with me they are not unrealistic expectations:

• Year 1 - 4 wins
• Year 2 - 6 wins
• Year 3 - 9 wins
• Year 4 - Playoffs

So, I am sitting here and waiting for those 4 wins. I will cut them some slack if they can get to 3. This is how low my expectations are, is pathetic and yet you are still trying to come up with excuses for that?? Really?? LOL.

LOL oh okay...when you're rebuilding and losing by a FG a game vs losing by 20+ a game THAT IS A DIFFERENCE. When you're not last in every team stat, that's a good thing.

I called 4 wins before the season as well BUT I also said it was more important to see growth in players that are gonna be cornerstones of this team. It's more important to put an actual NFL team from a scheme standpoint on the field compared to the dogs hit we saw the past two seasons.

I'm not putting up excuses, I knew what this team was gonna be I feel like some people in here didn't.

You can complain until the cows come home that's your right as a fan, I'm just being realistic...they brought in players that aren't gonna be part of the long-term plans outside of a FB, 1 WR, and a LBer who got hurt before the season started.

Also I'm in agreement with you as far as getting offensive talent this off season...we're in place to get a lot done in FA/draft, I'm fine with losing this yr because that was my expectation in 2017.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
LOL oh okay...when you're rebuilding and losing by a FG a game vs losing by 20+ a game THAT IS A DIFFERENCE. When you're not last in every team stat, that's a good thing.

I called 4 wins before the season as well BUT I also said it was more important to see growth in players that are gonna be cornerstones of this team. It's more important to put an actual NFL team from a scheme standpoint on the field compared to the dogs hit we saw the past two seasons.

I'm not putting up excuses, I knew what this team was gonna be I feel like some people in here didn't.

You can complain until the cows come home that's your right as a fan, I'm just being realistic...they brought in players that aren't gonna be part of the long-term plans outside of a FB, 1 WR, and a LBer who got hurt before the season started.

Also I'm in agreement with you as far as getting offensive talent this off season...we're in place to get a lot done in FA/draft, I'm fine with losing this yr because that was my expectation in 2017.

Wait a minute, are you proclaiming 4 wins as an "unrealistic" target?

I tell you what, it wasn't supposed to be unrealistic at the start of the season, but the fact that we have now gone 0-5 to date and soon to be 0-6, it sure does look like it might be "unrealistic" now. LOL. That is not because my demands have been unreasonable, but rather the team simply has been underperforming.

Shanahan and Lynch should and must have set targets, goals and expectations much like what I did. Surely, you have to set milestones that you have to meet through time during a long rebuild right? Otherwise, how the hell would you know whether you are going in the right direction?

I mean if your boss tells you, hey NY I want you to increase the sales by 100% in 5 years, how the heck will your boss know that you are heading in the right direction without setting milestones/targets that you need to reach? Year 1 an increase of x%, Year 2 a further increase of x%, etc...

Trust me, we should have built the offense first, win a few games to keep us going through such a tough rebuild rather than following Baalke's fxxked-up footsteps to sink deeper into the quick sand by carrying on going on defense in 5 consecutive years AND we still have nothing to show for it?? Our infamous D-line is not getting any better. It has no push with next to no pass rush and are constantly getting gashed.

Boy, if I were Lynch and Shanahan, I would be having a long sit-down to re-evaluate the original plans because it obviously is not going to plan. It is not supposed to be worse than last year. They need to be able to think on their feet and have zero ego ready to amend their strategy to ensure we are on the right track. With 0-6 in sight, is really time to have a rethink.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rascal:
You can't just attribute the 2 wins on Jeff Fisher being crap. Well, guess what? Chip Kelly was just as crap.

I don't give a sh*t whether we lose by 2 points or 20 points, if is not a win it is a loss.There are no moral victories here, all you would be doing is encouraging a losing mentality and culture.

Bottom line, I cannot believe for a moment the combo of Lynch and Shanahan cannot beat Baalke and Kelly. They are supposed to be miles better and they have churned the entire roster over and brought in their own players.

If we still can't beat that pathetic 2-0 Chip Kelly record then that tells me we are basically eating sh*t!!

I know it takes more than 6 months to rebuild a team, but no one is asking for the Super Bowl. All I am asking is to beat that POS Chip Kelly's 2-0 record. There needs to be some form of improvements and progression. There would be ZERO excuse if Lynch and Shanahan can't even come up with more than 2 wins.

I have listed my benchmark of expectations since last year and anybody who has commented on it have agreed with me they are not unrealistic expectations:

• Year 1 - 4 wins
• Year 2 - 6 wins
• Year 3 - 9 wins
• Year 4 - Playoffs

So, I am sitting here and waiting for those 4 wins. I will cut them some slack if they can get to 3. This is how low my expectations are, is pathetic and yet you are still trying to come up with excuses for that?? Really?? LOL.

LOL oh okay...when you're rebuilding and losing by a FG a game vs losing by 20+ a game THAT IS A DIFFERENCE. When you're not last in every team stat, that's a good thing.

I called 4 wins before the season as well BUT I also said it was more important to see growth in players that are gonna be cornerstones of this team. It's more important to put an actual NFL team from a scheme standpoint on the field compared to the dogs hit we saw the past two seasons.

I'm not putting up excuses, I knew what this team was gonna be I feel like some people in here didn't.

You can complain until the cows come home that's your right as a fan, I'm just being realistic...they brought in players that aren't gonna be part of the long-term plans outside of a FB, 1 WR, and a LBer who got hurt before the season started.

Also I'm in agreement with you as far as getting offensive talent this off season...we're in place to get a lot done in FA/draft, I'm fine with losing this yr because that was my expectation in 2017.

There is no growth on the offensive side of the ball. You don't put Hoyer and Marquise goodwin in to grow the offense. The 49ers FO knew they would be s**t this year offsensively. I don't see any plans for this team to start a young QB for the long haul. They will sign Kirk Cousins next year, maybe draft another QB to sit on the bench. We'll grab some other FA WRs and backs, get some more wins - but as far as growth, if we don't throw in a high ranked rookie QB and start draft some WR and running backs next draft, the offense will be mediocre for years to come and only growth we will see is impatience of the fans.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Wait a minute, are you proclaiming 4 wins as an "unrealistic" target?

I tell you what, it wasn't supposed to be unrealistic at the start of the season, but the fact that we have now gone 0-5 to date and soon to be 0-6, it sure does look like it might be "unrealistic" now. LOL. That is not because my demands have been unreasonable, but rather the team simply has been underperforming.

Shanahan and Lynch should and must have set targets, goals and expectations much like what I did. Surely, you have to set milestones that you have to meet through time during a long rebuild right? Otherwise, how the hell would you know whether you are going in the right direction?

I mean if your boss tells you, hey NY I want you to increase the sales by 100% in 5 years, how the heck will your boss know that you are heading in the right direction without setting milestones/targets that you need to reach? Year 1 an increase of x%, Year 2 a further increase of x%, etc...

Trust me, we should have built the offense first, win a few games to keep us going through such a tough rebuild rather than following Baalke's fxxked-up footsteps to sink deeper into the quick sand by carrying on going on defense in 5 consecutive years AND we still have nothing to show for it?? Our infamous D-line is not getting any better. It has no push with next to no pass rush and are constantly getting gashed.

Boy, if I were Lynch and Shanahan, I would be having a long sit-down to re-evaluate the original plans because it obviously is not going to plan. It is not supposed to be worse than last year. They need to be able to think on their feet and have zero ego ready to amend their strategy to ensure we are on the right track. With 0-6 in sight, is really time to have a rethink.

It isnt worse than last year. They have ass for talent. They even warned yalk before the season. They dont know how long its going to take.

This is EXACTLY what I was hoping for this year. Very competitive but lose and hopefully lose because of the QB.

while Hoyer hasn't been awful he's only been good enough to accomplish exactly what I want.

Only downfall tho i was hoping that our DL and/or secondary would be a strength. Giving us something to build on next offseason AFTER we reload on offense. *cough* Mason Rudolph *Cough*

Originally posted by krizay:
This is EXACTLY what I was hoping for this year. Very competitive but lose and hopefully lose because of the QB.

while Hoyer hasn't been awful he's only been good enough to accomplish exactly what I want.

Only downfall tho i was hoping that our DL and/or secondary would be a strength. Giving us something to build on next offseason AFTER we reload on offense. *cough* Kirk Cousins *Cough*

Fixed it for you based on what Shanahan loves and wants - we don't have a choice.

Originally posted by NoelC:
It isnt worse than last year. They have ass for talent. They even warned yalk before the season. They dont know how long its going to take.

It would be worse than last year if they can't win more than 2 games by the end of the season. I am only sounding the alarm now for their sake.

They have ass for talent? They had all the resources in the world, be it in terms of cap room and high draft picks to do whatever they saw fit to make sure they were able to improve this team as much as possible before the start of this season.

Look at last year. Baalke didn't do jack, Chip Kelly was useless and they still won 2 games. No, is not on , they need to do better than that and that is not asking for too much.

Originally posted by Rascal:
Wait a minute, are you proclaiming 4 wins as an "unrealistic" target?

I tell you what, it wasn't supposed to be unrealistic at the start of the season, but the fact that we have now gone 0-5 to date and soon to be 0-6, it sure does look like it might be "unrealistic" now. LOL. That is not because my demands have been unreasonable, but rather the team simply has been underperforming.

Shanahan and Lynch should and must have set targets, goals and expectations much like what I did. Surely, you have to set milestones that you have to meet through time during a long rebuild right? Otherwise, how the hell would you know whether you are going in the right direction?

I mean if your boss tells you, hey NY I want you to increase the sales by 100% in 5 years, how the heck will your boss know that you are heading in the right direction without setting milestones/targets that you need to reach? Year 1 an increase of x%, Year 2 a further increase of x%, etc...

Trust me, we should have built the offense first, win a few games to keep us going through such a tough rebuild rather than following Baalke's fxxked-up footsteps to sink deeper into the quick sand by carrying on going on defense in 5 consecutive years AND we still have nothing to show for it?? Our infamous D-line is not getting any better. It has no push with next to no pass rush and are constantly getting gashed.

Boy, if I were Lynch and Shanahan, I would be having a long sit-down to re-evaluate the original plans because it obviously is not going to plan. It is not supposed to be worse than last year. They need to be able to think on their feet and have zero ego ready to amend their strategy to ensure we are on the right track. With 0-6 in sight, is really time to have a rethink.

Where did I say that? you're telling me not to put words in your mouth, yet you're doing the same lol. Like I said that's what I was thinking we'd have END of the yr. 4 wins

if not who gives a f**k? 2 wins 4 wins it's all garbage, at least we have a chance to get that FQB that you've been wanting for yrs lol....I mean what the hell dude. complain about not getting a FQB, complaining about sucking so we CAN get a QB. what's the theme here? complaining a guess.

My boss isn't Jed York, who HAD to give a 1st time HC and 1st time GM 6 yr deals to eve come here to begin with...Jed and Baalke created a mess and now this staff is trying to clean it up, which is gonna take time. NOT 7 months. We're competitive every week, not getting blasted like the past two seasons week in and week out. Jed has no leg to stand on in the situation and whatever his expectations are yr 1.

IMO it's not worse then last yr and I showed you that...combined 11 pts in those 4 loses...57 pts last yr in those combined 4 games. Who cares if they beat the Rams week 1...didn't mean jacks**t end of the day. 2 wins zero wins is all trash, but at least they'd be in a position to get that top QB vs having the 3rd pick and drafting another defensive player lol.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
There is no growth on the offensive side of the ball. You don't put Hoyer and Marquise goodwin in to grow the offense. The 49ers FO knew they would be s**t this year offsensively. I don't see any plans for this team to start a young QB for the long haul. They will sign Kirk Cousins next year, maybe draft another QB to sit on the bench. We'll grab some other FA WRs and backs, get some more wins - but as far as growth, if we don't throw in a high ranked rookie QB and start draft some WR and running backs next draft, the offense will be mediocre for years to come and only growth we will see is impatience of the fans.

so who do you put in? Who was out there in FA that was gonna come here and make us amazing yr 1? Goodwin looked fine to me yesterday. He's got more yards than Torry smith and costs much less. It's a small upgrade but it's an upgrade.

You have no idea if they bring in Kirk, you have no idea if they won't draft some offensive skilled players....why can't they do both? We were 31st in total offense last yr and this yr so far we're 22nd. It's small but that is growth.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Haha....yep, just had to get in here to get it off his chest. Has been watching for 50 years Yep, this team that has lost 4 games by a total of 11 points that's includes 3 games on the road and 2 in OT is the worst ever

They fine ways to lose that defy belief. i am really happy you are happy that they are losing games and look awful. sugar coat it. carry kyles water,. drink his bathwater if you want but you are in some serious denial . this team and franchise is in serious trouble and all the so called genius of kyle may not be able to put it back together again. this crap of we are the best 0-5 team in the nfl, we have so many moral wins,. we should be 4-1 is horses**t.

Indy gives up 34 a game so I don't want to overpraise our effort of 1 quarter of scoring against them. If we end up 22nd on the year I'll take it but I doubt that's gonna hold.