49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

I don't recall Hunt being a top 10 pick either what does that mean or Hyde averaging 3 yards per carry like the great Todd Gurley did last year. Even this year he's only at 4.2 ypc. Goff was complete trash last year. He's developed him.

We traded away a 3rd rounder 2 picks before Cooper Rush was selected, and could of got Hunt too don't act like we didn't have the picks to do better. Shanny got his guys in Williams and Taylor. If he wanted Hunt he'd be here. He was comfortable running with Goodwin for the year. If he wanted a Watkins he'd be here too. He made some bad bets. Rams have the #1 scoring offense we haven't scored a TD in 3 out of 4 games they are the 99 Rams compared to us. FTR I don't think he's done a bad job (they flipped the d) just left a lot meat on the bones on offense.

Your whole point was essentially McVay was making all these moves to improve the team.

But he had his QB already on the team. The guy was a #1 overall pick for a reason just because Jeff Fisher is an awful coach doesn't mean Goff had no talent.
His best player on offense in Gurley was a top 10 pick, already on the team. RBs don't go top 10 these days unless they're pretty damn talented.

Rams had a pretty good defense last year but an offense that needed a lot of help. It made sense for the Rams to go offense heavy in the draft to try and surround Goff with some talent.

49ers had a historically bad defense and a QB who was a stop gap. Them going offense heavy early didn't make sense. You're comparing apples to oranges.

If Shanahan was the Rams HC he likely would've done a similar approach to what the Rams ended up doing and I'm sure he'd have Goff and Gurley playing very well.

Brian Hoyer is who he's always been. He's never been a legit starter. He's either a stop gap or a backup. For whatever reason he's playing worse than his usual stop gap self but blaming coaching for that is ridiculous. They can't make the throws for him, they can't make the reads for him and they can't make the receptions for the receivers who drop the passes making Hoyer look even worse.

Exactly. Read my friggin mind.

Originally posted by LININER49:
I give credit to the Rams and McVay, they have turned it around rather quickly, however it's still early. Eagles started out hot last year and then calmed down. Also, we hung in there with Rams on a short week after playing Seattle. Can't argue that the Rams seem further along than us but I think in time we'll be right there with them.

The Rams beat us(thanks to the refs) by 2 points.
They beat the Colts with Scott Tolzien starting and the Cowboys by 5 points.

Let's see what they do against Seattle. That will be easily the first big test for that offense and Seattle really isn't as dominant as they used to be with all their injuries.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jcs:
Possibly CJ but Hoyer was his hand picked starter for 2017. I'm assuming he didn't do it thinking Hoyer wasn't going to be this bad.

Just realize he decided to pass up on a class of 1st round QB's because of Hoyer.

He knows what he wants in a QB, his track record analyzing QB talent from all accounts is pretty good. All things considered I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he knew what he was doing when he didn't draft QB high this year.

Everything Kyle, John and Jed said indicated they were treating this year as a rebuild. I think any logical and realistic fan figured not expect much this season after we signed Hoyer and Barkley. [b]Maybe the plan clearly is to wait for Kirk, [i]which if that's the case I'm perfectly fine with it. Kirk may not be Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers but he's a very solid QB who can play well within this system and would allow us to use the draft picks to improve the team at other positions.

Essentially this year IMO should be treated to see how the talent this new regime brought in is doing and whether the young players are growing on the field and competing in their games. So far, so good regardless of the W/L record.

What is his track record of analyzing QB talent outside of Cousins?
I would like to think he could find a young FQBotF for the 49ers.
I am happy with Shanahan but concerned about the QB situation.

Matt Schaub
Brian Hoyer 2014
Robert Griffin
Matt Ryan

And now Kirk Cousins. Better track record than most head coaches in the NFL.

Originally posted by genus49:
Your whole point was essentially McVay was making all these moves to improve the team.

But he had his QB already on the team. The guy was a #1 overall pick for a reason just because Jeff Fisher is an awful coach doesn't mean Goff had no talent.
His best player on offense in Gurley was a top 10 pick, already on the team. RBs don't go top 10 these days unless they're pretty damn talented.

Rams had a pretty good defense last year but an offense that needed a lot of help. It made sense for the Rams to go offense heavy in the draft to try and surround Goff with some talent.

49ers had a historically bad defense and a QB who was a stop gap. Them going offense heavy early didn't make sense. You're comparing apples to oranges.

If Shanahan was the Rams HC he likely would've done a similar approach to what the Rams ended up doing and I'm sure he'd have Goff and Gurley playing very well.

Brian Hoyer is who he's always been. He's never been a legit starter. He's either a stop gap or a backup. For whatever reason he's playing worse than his usual stop gap self but blaming coaching for that is ridiculous. They can't make the throws for him, they can't make the reads for him and they can't make the receptions for the receivers who drop the passes making Hoyer look even worse.

He did make a bunch of moves to improve the team including his top 3 receivers and revamping the line with a new left tackle and better interior play. You can't ignore that. He developed Goff who was absolute sh the year before with that. Yeah Gurley is a beast but so is Hyde. It's a wash there.

What draft picks they traded that for Goff, remember? Kupp was their pick late in the 3rd. Their d sucks right now too so who cares. They're winning because he flipped the o from 32nd to 1st. Shanny would of brought his guys in and that's Garcon as well as pairing him up with speed. Goodwin, Robinson. He's not signing the same guys as McVay. He's not drafting the same guys as McVay.

Hoyer has been a much better qb with talent around him too. He's not a Pro Bowler by any stretch of the imagination but his last 17 games before coming here he put up 4k yards 25 TD's 7 picks. Solid mid 90 rating. He's not garbage with proper talent which we've yet to acquire. You can excuse our lack of talent however you want but we left 45 million dollars worth of cap space on the table, missed on some picks too. Don't care do better next year I guess.

Originally posted by cciowa:
leads the nfl in dropped passes as well. so much for a upgrade in the wide out department to go with a crappy qb and crappy line. this is not progress and i am sorry. but i am not ok with waiting till next year to get these fundamental things fixed and we should not have to either

Fixed the defense for the most part and rather you like it or not the oline is better then last year but that's not saying much.

Gosh I can't believe they couldn't get us a franchise QB, #1 WR, 2 shutdown corners, 2 all pro guards, and 1 all pro center all in 1 year!!!

Fire them all!!!!

I think some of you just like to complain. Reminds me of my mom and sister, they are huge complainers but they are women so its understandable.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
What is his track record of analyzing QB talent outside of Cousins?
I would like to think he could find a young FQBotF for the 49ers.
I am happy with Shanahan but concerned about the QB situation.

Reports said Carr was his top rated QB in the 14 draft with Garppolo being his 2nd favorite QB in that class.

There hasn't been a ton to go on but he clearly knows what he likes in QB prospects and assuming the above isn't some made up BS the guys he likes have shown some really good things and look like very promising players.

In any case it's always better to have an offensive minded HC pick his guy in the draft. It doesn't guarantee anything but as fans the confidence of getting the right guy should be much higher than if a defensive HC drafts one.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by genus49:
Your whole point was essentially McVay was making all these moves to improve the team.

But he had his QB already on the team. The guy was a #1 overall pick for a reason just because Jeff Fisher is an awful coach doesn't mean Goff had no talent.
His best player on offense in Gurley was a top 10 pick, already on the team. RBs don't go top 10 these days unless they're pretty damn talented.

Rams had a pretty good defense last year but an offense that needed a lot of help. It made sense for the Rams to go offense heavy in the draft to try and surround Goff with some talent.

49ers had a historically bad defense and a QB who was a stop gap. Them going offense heavy early didn't make sense. You're comparing apples to oranges.

If Shanahan was the Rams HC he likely would've done a similar approach to what the Rams ended up doing and I'm sure he'd have Goff and Gurley playing very well.

Brian Hoyer is who he's always been. He's never been a legit starter. He's either a stop gap or a backup. For whatever reason he's playing worse than his usual stop gap self but blaming coaching for that is ridiculous. They can't make the throws for him, they can't make the reads for him and they can't make the receptions for the receivers who drop the passes making Hoyer look even worse.

He did make a bunch of moves to improve the team including his top 3 receivers and revamping the line with a new left tackle and better interior play. You can't ignore that. He developed Goff who was absolute sh the year before with that. Yeah Gurley is a beast but so is Hyde. It's a wash there.

What draft picks they traded that for Goff, remember? Kupp was their pick late in the 3rd. Their d sucks right now too so who cares. They're winning because he flipped the o from 32nd to 1st. Shanny would of brought his guys in and that's Garcon as well as pairing him up with speed. Goodwin, Robinson. He's not signing the same guys as McVay. He's not drafting the same guys as McVay.

Hoyer has been a much better qb with talent around him too. He's not a Pro Bowler by any stretch of the imagination but his last 17 games before coming here he put up 4k yards 25 TD's 7 picks. Solid mid 90 rating. He's not garbage with proper talent which we've yet to acquire. You can excuse our lack of talent however you want but we left 45 million dollars worth of cap space on the table, missed on some picks too. Don't care do better next year I guess.

What draft picks have we missed on? I don't think its fair to evaluate draft picks after 4 games but if you want to go that route what has the Rams picks done outside of Kupp?

Last time I checked it wasn't Shanny who was missing wide open WRs.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
He did make a bunch of moves to improve the team including his top 3 receivers and revamping the line with a new left tackle and better interior play. You can't ignore that. He developed Goff who was absolute sh the year before with that. Yeah Gurley is a beast but so is Hyde. It's a wash there.

What draft picks they traded that for Goff, remember? Kupp was their pick late in the 3rd. Their d sucks right now too so who cares. They're winning because he flipped the o from 32nd to 1st. Shanny would of brought his guys in and that's Garcon as well as pairing him up with speed. Goodwin, Robinson. He's not signing the same guys as McVay. He's not drafting the same guys as McVay.

Hoyer has been a much better qb with talent around him too. He's not a Pro Bowler by any stretch of the imagination but his last 17 games before coming here he put up 4k yards 25 TD's 7 picks. Solid mid 90 rating. He's not garbage with proper talent which we've yet to acquire. You can excuse our lack of talent however you want but we left 45 million dollars worth of cap space on the table, missed on some picks too. Don't care do better next year I guess.

You forgot to include his top 3 receivers...after Todd Gurley who was already on the team right?

Well you remove Carlos Hyde(who doesn't lead the 49ers in receptions, yards and TDs) from the equation and Shanahan added the top 3 receivers as well.

Your "just gonna disagree with everyone" shtick is tired man.

These guys are running almost identical offenses but you think there's no way in hell they could like the same players?

And don't give me the crap about Hoyer being so great. He is what he is. And he's playing poorly. It's not all his fault but once again how the hell are you going to blame the coaching when he can't make an obvious read when 3 DBs are covering one player and you don't look to see which one of your 2 other receivers in the area must be free?

Hoyer has to make those reads, he has to make those throws. That's not a coaching issue. Look at the injuries for the Rams vs 49ers. McVay has had a much easier go of it so far.

Originally posted by miked1978:
Fixed the defense for the most part and rather you like it or not the oline is better then last year but that's not saying much.

Gosh I can't believe they couldn't get us a franchise QB, #1 WR, 2 shutdown corners, 2 all pro guards, and 1 all pro center all in 1 year!!!

Fire them all!!!!

I think some of you just like to complain. Reminds me of my mom and sister, they are huge complainers but they are women so its understandable.

I think it just comes down to the fact that people hated they went with another defensive draft again this year.

People like to say, well we were the worst run defense last year, so we had to spend two top picks on the defense. Really? Thomas was a nonfactor until Tank Carradine got injured. Foster has barely played in these 4 games.

The run defense improvements that we are seeing right now have been because of the scheme change, and putting guys in the right position to make plays in a one gap system. The improvements have NOT been because we had a defensive draft. So yes, its frustrating. Not because they didn't fix everything with the offense, but because they did not even attempt to do so in the draft and free agency. This offense has been putrid for at least 3-4 years now.

Originally posted by miked1978:
What draft picks have we missed on? I don't think its fair to evaluate draft picks after 4 games but if you want to go that route what has the Rams picks done outside of Kupp?

Last time I checked it wasn't Shanny who was missing wide open WRs.

A good HC knows how to use telekinesis to make sure those passes are on the mark. Look at what Belichick has done with Brady.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
I think it just comes down to the fact that people hated they went with another defensive draft again this year.

People like to say, well we were the worst run defense last year, so we had to spend two top picks on the defense. Really? Thomas was a nonfactor until Tank Carradine got injured. Foster has barely played in these 4 games.

The run defense improvements that we are seeing right now have been because of the scheme change, and putting guys in the right position to make plays in a one gap system. The improvements have NOT been because we had a defensive draft. So yes, its frustrating. Not because they didn't fix everything with the offense, but because they did not even attempt to do so in the draft and free agency. This offense has been putrid for at least 3-4 years now.

Yeah...except he wasn't.

You guys must be blind or just read box scores if you think this offense isn't improved. It would be one thing if guys weren't getting open or the playcalling was vanilla and super obvious.

When your players don't execute it doesn't matter what the hell the playcall was. Not sure how that's difficult to understand...

When all you have to do is get blockers and WR's you're in a much better position than the 2017 49ers pre-draft.

There's nothing more to add. The Rams roster was simply much further along. Only reason their D is slipping this year is because they're adjusting to Wade Phillips new defense.

Overall all they had to do was address the o-line and WR group. WE WERE NOT IN THAT POSITION IN THE 2017 DRAFT.

Originally posted by genus49:
Yeah...except he wasn't.

You guys must be blind or just read box scores if you think this offense isn't improved. It would be one thing if guys weren't getting open or the playcalling was vanilla and super obvious.

When your players don't execute it doesn't matter what the hell the playcall was. Not sure how that's difficult to understand...

I was talking about their inability to acquire offensive talent, not the criticism of the system or play design. Which btw, this also affected Chip Kelly quite a bit too. They should have realized that we have almost zero talent offensively, and it should have been a top priority this year.

I do think people are getting open, and they're not executing. That's lack of talent on the offense, clearly.

Also with Thomas. I can say with certaintiy, he is not the real reason we were an improved run defense this year. So yes, I know hindsight is 20/20. But we really could have used an offensive stud with #3 overall. Perhaps a wide receiver.

Originally posted by genus49:
You forgot to include his top 3 receivers...after Todd Gurley who was already on the team right?

Well you remove Carlos Hyde(who doesn't lead the 49ers in receptions, yards and TDs) from the equation and Shanahan added the top 3 receivers as well.

Your "just gonna disagree with everyone" shtick is tired man.

These guys are running almost identical offenses but you think there's no way in hell they could like the same players?

And don't give me the crap about Hoyer being so great. He is what he is. And he's playing poorly. It's not all his fault but once again how the hell are you going to blame the coaching when he can't make an obvious read when 3 DBs are covering one player and you don't look to see which one of your 2 other receivers in the area must be free?

Hoyer has to make those reads, he has to make those throws. That's not a coaching issue. Look at the injuries for the Rams vs 49ers. McVay has had a much easier go of it so far.

So you do see my point. All 3 of McVay's receivers are contributing very well, Shanny's new squad not so much. Garcon is good but his other signs are busts. You're not going to get good qb play when Hoyer can only count on 1 guy. You have a starter who can only run 1 route and then proceeds to drop the ball when the play is there. Hoyer is playing like crap but don't act like he's working with much. McVay brought talent in.

BTW if Gurley is beasting it in the passing game maybe you should be asking why Shanny who historically uses his rb's aggressively in the passing attack can't get that out of Hyde. For some reason I seem to recall you making the point that Hyde could be an excellent receiver here despite not having the history.

Don't get me wrong I know we took a multi year approach and took gambles on some low risk guys who can easily be replaced by better talent down the road. You get those results though.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

I think it just comes down to the fact that people hated they went with another defensive draft again this year.

People like to say, well we were the worst run defense last year, so we had to spend two top picks on the defense. Really? Thomas was a nonfactor until Tank Carradine got injured. Foster has barely played in these 4 games.

The run defense improvements that we are seeing right now have been because of the scheme change, and putting guys in the right position to make plays in a one gap system. The improvements have NOT been because we had a defensive draft. So yes, its frustrating. Not because they didn't fix everything with the offense, but because they did not even attempt to do so in the draft and free agency. This offense has been putrid for at least 3-4 years now.

Yeah...except he wasn't.

You guys must be blind or just read box scores if you think this offense isn't improved. It would be one thing if guys weren't getting open or the playcalling was vanilla and super obvious.

When your players don't execute it doesn't matter what the hell the playcall was. Not sure how that's difficult to understand...

I've come to realize a small group of very vocal posters have made the decision they don't like the new regime and nothing short of a miracle would soften the non-stopcriticism.

They want to think our roster was decent at the end of 2016. They want to think Hoyer is our FQB. They want to think this current WR group will be our long term starters- that we won't add another guy opposite Garcon in 2018. They want to think all we needed was a QB and WR in the 2017 draft. They want to think the 49ers/Rams rosters were equal after 2016. They want to think Mcvay could take the 49ers 2016 roster to 3-1 in 2017. (We could easily be 3-1 if Hoyer didn't s**t the bed). They want to think Lynch drafted all the wrong people. They want to think this rebuild is over and that this team is a finished product.

They want to think but can't even get that right.