2017 Team Information (Needs)

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by PacTiger:

On defense, in obvious passing downs, I expect a mixture of thomas, AA, Blair, Jones and buckner to move around both DT spots and the right end since they all can play all of those positions. I also expect a mixture of the LEOs playing at both RE and LE in obvious passing downs.

I want to add a RB and either a WR or LB for special teams and depth.

No doubt, there will be an array of combinations...from base to nickel...really excited to see who wins out on prominent roles.

Any particular type of RB, WR & LB you like?

No. Whoever stands out.

Originally posted by Jasta:

Kittle could be on the team as a FB/TE... not sure if that makes it easier to take four tight ends total if we don't get enough value for Celek or Vance.

I think that's whats gonna happen if nobody trades for either Vance/Celek. They both IMO can help out a TE group that needs a lil help/insurance/experience.

didn't want to quote you AB as it's a fairly long list, but I can see cuts to established starters. We've more cap room than we can shake a stick at and while it might be wasteful, I think it's possible that the philosophy is now about the best players being on the 53 regardless of cap hit. Had we been up against it financially I'd be there with you, but it's a some what unique scenario now in rebuild.

I think we will be actively trying to trade and shop some of those starters from now until the first game of the season, with a cut being the last resort. I think it will come down to best player in the scheme and system and if it means eating some dead cap space we will.

Originally posted by Buchy:
didn't want to quote you AB as it's a fairly long list, but I can see cuts to established starters. We've more cap room than we can shake a stick at and while it might be wasteful, I think it's possible that the philosophy is now about the best players being on the 53 regardless of cap hit. Had we been up against it financially I'd be there with you, but it's a some what unique scenario now in rebuild.

I think we will be actively trying to trade and shop some of those starters from now until the first game of the season, with a cut being the last resort. I think it will come down to best player in the scheme and system and if it means eating some dead cap space we will.

Great list AB and "very" realistic...agree with 95% of it, no doubt. But I'm in this camp as well...none of our cap hits will be anything large now that Kaepernick is gone so really, it comes down to best players/scheme fits and YOUTH. Players like Brooks and Celek and even the OL we brought in, could end up getting beat out d/t the ceiling of the youth and this coaching staff wanting to develop them their way. I think that makes this 53 guestimate more challenging.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Buchy:
didn't want to quote you AB as it's a fairly long list, but I can see cuts to established starters. We've more cap room than we can shake a stick at and while it might be wasteful, I think it's possible that the philosophy is now about the best players being on the 53 regardless of cap hit. Had we been up against it financially I'd be there with you, but it's a some what unique scenario now in rebuild.

I think we will be actively trying to trade and shop some of those starters from now until the first game of the season, with a cut being the last resort. I think it will come down to best player in the scheme and system and if it means eating some dead cap space we will.

Great list AB and "very" realistic...agree with 95% of it, no doubt. But I'm in this camp as well...none of our cap hits will be anything large now that Kaepernick is gone so really, it comes down to best players/scheme fits and YOUTH. Players like Brooks and Celek and even the OL we brought in, could end up getting beat out d/t the ceiling of the youth and this coaching staff wanting to develop them their way. I think that makes this 53 guestimate more challenging.

I'm on that ship as well. From the beginning of FA the consistent message was "fit." There were certain players available that might be considered to be better players than what Lynch signed but they didn't fit the system. One of the big issues in the past was that we had a lot of players that were not good fits for the system we were running. You don't need to have the best players in every position if the ones you do have are capable of player the role they need to play in the system.

Anytime you are going to make a significant change, you are better off to make the big change the first year and start building from there as opposed to trying to phase it in. That is what I see happening and the roster will reflect that change by September. In the meantime, I hope to see some vets bring a draft choice as opposed to being cut. Brooks and Celek would be a couple of those although Brooks still has some value, IMO.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Joecool:
The biggest need right now is for Armstead and Ward to come through for us at Leo and FS. If these guys can come through, then we will be in position to be one of the top defenses in the league.

I have a good feeling Thomas and Foster will be just fine.

No question...if those two come through and Tartt at SS, we'd be golden. Just praying for some consistent edge rush too. I think our base down run defense is going to be miles better. With an extra man in the box though, if our rushers don't get there, our secondary could get torched.

I'm not too worried about our edge rush. Switching to a 1-gap scheme with the personnel we have on DL...we should see the pocket collapsing from the front much more than we have in recent years.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Joecool:
The biggest need right now is for Armstead and Ward to come through for us at Leo and FS. If these guys can come through, then we will be in position to be one of the top defenses in the league.

I have a good feeling Thomas and Foster will be just fine.

No question...if those two come through and Tartt at SS, we'd be golden. Just praying for some consistent edge rush too. I think our base down run defense is going to be miles better. With an extra man in the box though, if our rushers don't get there, our secondary could get torched.

I'm not too worried about our edge rush. Switching to a 1-gap scheme with the personnel we have on DL...we should see the pocket collapsing from the front much more than we have in recent years.

That is a good point. Aside from the 1T/NT and sometimes, the strong-side DE (Thomas), most of the time, 3 of the 4 DL will be one-gapping and attacking. In nickel, in comes the speedy edge rushers from the inside and edges. This is another added benefit of having tough, physical press CB's on the edges b/c the QB will be looking to get rid of the ball quickly but will look outside and see two CB's immediately in the WR's faces...next progression (pressure coming), Bowman, Foster and Tartt/Reid patrolling the middle...next progression (pressure there)...deep post...a rangy Ward deep. Sack.

IF Ward bombs at S we can just snag Derwin James next year. Better prospect than Adams and Hooker

Originally posted by illinois9er:

IF Ward bombs at S we can just snag Derwin James next year. Better prospect than Adams and Hooker

What rock have you been hiding under? Have you not read our 2018 game plan yet?

He will be impossible to get. We loaded up with picks next year to trade for a QB.

we're signing Kirk Cousins to teach C.J. (Cousins Jr. ) and the QB we trade our 2nds for to move up to draft.

So if this young fella is better than both safeties we won't have a shot.

Updated Roster: I count 92 if all UDFA signings are correct, so 2 more need to be released.

OFFENSE:

QB: Brian Hoyer(2018)/Matt Barkley(2018)/C.J. Beathard(2020)/Nick Mullens(2019)
RB: Carlos Hyde(2017)/Tim Hightower(2017)/DuJuan Harris(2017)/Kapri Bibbs(2017)/Joe Williams(2020)/Matt Breida(2019)/Mike Davis(2018)/Raheem Mostert(2017)
FB: Kyle Juszczyk(2020)/Tyler McCloskey(2019)
XWR: Pierre Garcon(2021)/Aldrick Robinson(2018)/Kendrick Bourne(2019)
YWR: Jeremy Kerley(2019)/Trent Taylor(2020)/KD Cannon(2019)/Bruce Ellington(2017)/Aaron Burbridge(2019)
ZWR: Marquise Goodwin(2018)/Victor Bolden(2019)/DeAndre Carter(2018)/Rashad Ross(2017)/DeAndre Smelter(2017)
TE: Vance McDonald(2021)/Logan Paulsen(2017)/Garrett Celek(2019)/George Kittle(2020)/Blake Bell(2018)/Cole Hikutini(2019)
C: Jeremy Zuttah(2018)/Daniel Kilgore(2017)/Tim Barnes(2017)/Bret Treadway(2019)
LG: Zane Beadles(2018)/Brandon Fusco(2017)/Andrew Elde(2019)
RG: Joshua Garnett(2019)/JP Flynn(2019)
LT: Joe Staley(2019)/John Theus(2019)/Erik Magnuson(2019)
RT: Trent Brown(2018)/Garry Gilliam(2017)/Darrell Williams(2019)/Norman Price(2018)

DEFENSE:

5T/DE: Solomon Thomas(2020)/Ronald Blair(2019)
1T/NT: Earl Mitchell(2020)/D.J. Jones(2020)
3T/DT: DeForest Buckner(2019)/Quinton Dial(2019)/Chris Jones(2017)
6T/LEO: Arik Armstead(2018)/Aaron Lynch(2017)/Tank Carradine(2017)/Pita Taumoepenu(2020)/Noble Nwachukwu(2019)
WILL: Malcolm Smith(2021)/Ray-Ray Armstrong(2018)/Dekoda Watson(2019)/Jimmie Gilbert(2019)
MIKE: NaVorro Bowman(2022)/Brock Coyle(2017)
SAM: Ahmad Brooks(2017)/Reuben Foster(2020)/Eli Harold(2018)
LCB: Ahkello Witherspoon(2020)/Dontae Johnson(2017)/Prince Charles Iworah(2017)/Jihaad Pretlow(2019)
SCB: K'Wuan Williams(2017)/Will Redmond(2019)
RCB: Rashard Robinson(2019)/Keith Reaser(2017))Zach Franklin(2019)
FS: Jimmie Ward(2017)/Don Jones(2018)/Adrian Colbert(2020)/Malik Golden(2019)
SS: Eric Reid(2017)/Jaquiski Tartt(2018)/Lorenzo Jerome(2019)/Vinnie Sunseri(2017)

SPECIAL TEAMS:

PK: Robbie Gould(2018)/Nick Rose(2018)
P: Bradley Pinion(2018)
LS: Kyle Nelson(2018)

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Updated Roster: I count 92 if all UDFA signings are correct, so 2 more need to be released.

OFFENSE:

QB: Brian Hoyer(2018)/Matt Barkley(2018)/C.J. Beathard(2020)/Nick Mullens(2019)
RB: Carlos Hyde(2017)/Tim Hightower(2017)/DuJuan Harris(2017)/Kapri Bibbs(2017)/Joe Williams(2020)/Matt Breida(2019)/Mike Davis(2018)/Raheem Mostert(2017)
FB: Kyle Juszczyk(2020)/Tyler McCloskey(2019)
XWR: Pierre Garcon(2021)/Aldrick Robinson(2018)/Kendrick Bourne(2019)
YWR: Jeremy Kerley(2019)/Trent Taylor(2020)/KD Cannon(2019)/Bruce Ellington(2017)/Aaron Burbridge(2019)
ZWR: Marquise Goodwin(2018)/Victor Bolden(2019)/DeAndre Carter(2018)/Rashad Ross(2017)/DeAndre Smelter(2017)
TE: Vance McDonald(2021)/Logan Paulsen(2017)/Garrett Celek(2019)/George Kittle(2020)/Blake Bell(2018)/Cole Hikutini(2019)
C: Jeremy Zuttah(2018)/Daniel Kilgore(2017)/Tim Barnes(2017)/Bret Treadway(2019)
LG: Zane Beadles(2018)/Brandon Fusco(2017)/Andrew Elde(2019)
RG: Joshua Garnett(2019)/JP Flynn(2019)
LT: Joe Staley(2019)/John Theus(2019)/Erik Magnuson(2019)
RT: Trent Brown(2018)/Garry Gilliam(2017)/Darrell Williams(2019)/Norman Price(2018)

DEFENSE:

5T/DE: Solomon Thomas(2020)/Ronald Blair(2019)
1T/NT: Earl Mitchell(2020)/D.J. Jones(2020)
3T/DT: DeForest Buckner(2019)/Quinton Dial(2019)/Chris Jones(2017)
6T/LEO: Arik Armstead(2018)/Aaron Lynch(2017)/Tank Carradine(2017)/Pita Taumoepenu(2020)/Noble Nwachukwu(2019)
WILL: Malcolm Smith(2021)/Ray-Ray Armstrong(2018)/Dekoda Watson(2019)/Jimmie Gilbert(2019)
MIKE: NaVorro Bowman(2022)/Brock Coyle(2017)
SAM: Ahmad Brooks(2017)/Reuben Foster(2020)/Eli Harold(2018)
LCB: Ahkello Witherspoon(2020)/Dontae Johnson(2017)/Prince Charles Iworah(2017)/Jihaad Pretlow(2019)
SCB: K'Wuan Williams(2017)/Will Redmond(2019)
RCB: Rashard Robinson(2019)/Keith Reaser(2017))Zach Franklin(2019)
FS: Jimmie Ward(2017)/Don Jones(2018)/Adrian Colbert(2020)/Malik Golden(2019)
SS: Eric Reid(2017)/Jaquiski Tartt(2018)/Lorenzo Jerome(2019)/Vinnie Sunseri(2017)

SPECIAL TEAMS:

PK: Robbie Gould(2018)/Nick Rose(2018)
P: Bradley Pinion(2018)
LS: Kyle Nelson(2018)

I have 92 as well, AB. I hope it's the same...see OP.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Updated Roster: I count 92 if all UDFA signings are correct, so 2 more need to be released.

OFFENSE:

QB: Brian Hoyer(2018)/Matt Barkley(2018)/C.J. Beathard(2020)/Nick Mullens(2019)
RB: Carlos Hyde(2017)/Tim Hightower(2017)/DuJuan Harris(2017)/Kapri Bibbs(2017)/Joe Williams(2020)/Matt Breida(2019)/Mike Davis(2018)/Raheem Mostert(2017)
FB: Kyle Juszczyk(2020)/Tyler McCloskey(2019)
XWR: Pierre Garcon(2021)/Aldrick Robinson(2018)/Kendrick Bourne(2019)
YWR: Jeremy Kerley(2019)/Trent Taylor(2020)/KD Cannon(2019)/Bruce Ellington(2017)/Aaron Burbridge(2019)
ZWR: Marquise Goodwin(2018)/Victor Bolden(2019)/DeAndre Carter(2018)/Rashad Ross(2017)/DeAndre Smelter(2017)
TE: Vance McDonald(2021)/Logan Paulsen(2017)/Garrett Celek(2019)/George Kittle(2020)/Blake Bell(2018)/Cole Hikutini(2019)
C: Jeremy Zuttah(2018)/Daniel Kilgore(2017)/Tim Barnes(2017)/Bret Treadway(2019)
LG: Zane Beadles(2018)/Brandon Fusco(2017)/Andrew Elde(2019)
RG: Joshua Garnett(2019)/JP Flynn(2019)
LT: Joe Staley(2019)/John Theus(2019)/Erik Magnuson(2019)
RT: Trent Brown(2018)/Garry Gilliam(2017)/Darrell Williams(2019)/Norman Price(2018)

DEFENSE:

5T/DE: Solomon Thomas(2020)/Ronald Blair(2019)
1T/NT: Earl Mitchell(2020)/D.J. Jones(2020)
3T/DT: DeForest Buckner(2019)/Quinton Dial(2019)/Chris Jones(2017)
6T/LEO: Arik Armstead(2018)/Aaron Lynch(2017)/Tank Carradine(2017)/Pita Taumoepenu(2020)/Noble Nwachukwu(2019)
WILL: Malcolm Smith(2021)/Ray-Ray Armstrong(2018)/Dekoda Watson(2019)/Jimmie Gilbert(2019)
MIKE: NaVorro Bowman(2022)/Brock Coyle(2017)
SAM: Ahmad Brooks(2017)/Reuben Foster(2020)/Eli Harold(2018)
LCB: Ahkello Witherspoon(2020)/Dontae Johnson(2017)/Prince Charles Iworah(2017)/Jihaad Pretlow(2019)
SCB: K'Wuan Williams(2017)/Will Redmond(2019)
RCB: Rashard Robinson(2019)/Keith Reaser(2017))Zach Franklin(2019)
FS: Jimmie Ward(2017)/Don Jones(2018)/Adrian Colbert(2020)/Malik Golden(2019)
SS: Eric Reid(2017)/Jaquiski Tartt(2018)/Lorenzo Jerome(2019)/Vinnie Sunseri(2017)

SPECIAL TEAMS:

PK: Robbie Gould(2018)/Nick Rose(2018)
P: Bradley Pinion(2018)
LS: Kyle Nelson(2018)

I have 92 as well, AB. I hope it's the same...

Final 53-man Roster:
Starter --- Rookie --- (Inactive PUP/NFI/Injured Reserved/Injured-Out/Pending)[Suspension]
* Injured Reserve Designated to Return

Offensive Personnel: --- 49 [92]
QB: Brian Hoyer; Matt Barkley, C.J. Beathard & Nick Mullens
RB1: Carlos Hyde; Tim Hightower & Raheem Mostert
RB2: DuJuan Harris; Kapri Bibbs, Mike Davis, Joe Williams & Matt Breida
OW: *Kyle Juszczyk; *George Kittle & *{em}Tyler McCloskey {/em}
TE: Vance McDonald; Logan Paulsen, Garrett Celek, Blake Bell & Cole Hikutini
XWR: Pierre Garçon; Marquise Goodwin, DeAndre Carter, K.D. Cannon & Kendrick Bourne
YWR: Jeremy Kerley; Aaron Burbridge, Bruce Ellington, Rashad Ross, Trent Taylor & Victor Bolden
ZWR: Aldrick Robinson; DeAndre Smelter
LOT: Joe Staley; John Theus, Norman Price & Darrell Williams Jr.
LG: Zane Beadles; Brandon Fusco & Erik Magnuson
C: Jeremy Zuttah; Daniel Kilgore, Tim Barnes & Bret Treadway
RG: Joshua Garnett; J.P. Flynn
ROT: Trenton Brown; Gary Gilliam & Andrew Eide

*OW = Offensive Weapon

Defensive Personnel: --- 38
LDE/5T/6T: *Solomon Thomas
{strong}LDE/6T: *Tank Carradine{/strong}
NT/1T: D.J. Jones; *Earl Mitchell & Quinton Dial
RDT/3T: *DeForest Bucker; Chris Jones & *Ronald Blair
RDE/5T: *Arik Armstead
EDGE RUSHERS: Aaron Lynch; Eli Harold, Dekoda Watson, Pita Taumoepenu, Noble Nwachuckwu &{em}Jimmie Gilbert{/em}
SAM: Malcolm Smith; Ahmad Brooks
MIKE: Navarro Bowman
WILL: Reuben Foster; Ray-Ray Armstrong & Donavin Newsom
RCB: Ahkello Witherspoon; Dontae Johnson & Keith Reaser
S/CB: Will Redmond; K'Waun Williams, Prince Charles Iwora & Jihaad Pretlow
LCB: Rashard Robinson; Adrian Colbert & Zach Franklin
FS: Jimmie Ward; Don Jones II, Lorenzo Jerome & Malik Golden
SS: Jaquiski Tartt; Eric Reid & Vinnie Sunseri

* Interior Rushers

Special Teams: --- 5
LS: Kyle Nelson
PK: Robbie Gould; Nick Rose
P: Bradley Pinion; Brock Miller

Miller was cut I have DB Zach Franklin in mine but that may not bee a done deal

Oops you have him have to ok later

I see it you're missing Brock coyle

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I see it you're missing Brock coyle

I thought it was a typo...added back LB Brock Coyle, removed P Brock Miller. OP updated. Good eye, as always.

Two more cuts to go...any guesses?

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Miller was cut I have DB Zach Franklin in mine but that may not bee a done deal

Oops you have him have to ok later

Do you have Newsom, Donavin LB Missouri?