John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Wilson has been pretty damn good for the last few years with funky QBs. He would be awesome with KS and Purdy

Wilson is signed through 2030 with huge cap and dead money numbers for the next two years, Dead money this year would be the balance of $58 million. Next year $48,000,000.I can't imagine what would have to happen to bring him here. Maybe AB81 has some magic.

Based off of the his deal he's cost us $1.537m in 2026, $16.5m in 2027, $29,175,171 in 2028, $29,824,819 in 2029 and $34.5m in 2030, the 49ers would take on his $10m option bonus he's due in 2027, and then his 2027 base salary is all that's fully guaranteed still and then his 2028 base salary becomes fully guarantee in March of 2027, the Jets would take on a $8.287m dead money for 2026 and then $24.25m in 2027, so they'd actually lose money in 2027 as his dead money is more than his cap number so you'd have to believe the Jets would want premium draft capital to trade him

Thanks. I knew it couldn't work but not all the details as you have laid them out.

Originally posted by VaBhodi:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I think anyone we trade for now won't suit up Sunday, I can't see the team putting a new WR out there, Cooks wasn't elevated the first week we signed him so gotta assume we wouldn't put someone out there right away

This.

You trade away draft cap, you complicate the cap space...for a guy who is #4 or 5 in 3 to 4 weeks.

Madness.

Again, "stop wetting the bed." Put some Depends on. Next 2 weeks will be a slog, but all goes well, we're 7-0, coming off the bye. Peeps coming back, and you're thinking about this convo like last Friday's hook-up.... "The Frak was I thinking."

:D

Garrett Wilson wouldn't be #4 or 5. He would arguably give us the best starting wideouts in the league and would be a sure fire #1 if Evans misses time.

I'd throw all my chips on the table this year. Every single one. We have enough young depth players we can afford to trade picks away for legit vets.

2027 1st, 2028 1st and Jordan Watkins for Garrett Wilson

Deebo and Robinson are free agents. Evans and Pearsall can't stay healthy. Stribling had a nice pre-season but we have seen this before. He's still an unknown.

BUT; if everything pans out and guys stay healthy good luck stopping this team in the playoffs with:

RB- CMC
TE- Kittle
WR- Evans
WR- Wilson
WR- Deebo
WR- Stribling
WR- Robinson

And then a 2027 group of:

RB- CMC
TE- Kittle
WR- Evans
WR- Wilson
WR- Stribling
WR- Pearsall
WR- Deebo (Re-sign)

Then trade a 2027 4th and 2028 4th for Deforest Buckner and we re-sign Buck in the offseason

DE- Bosa / Height
DT- Osa / Halton / West
DT- Bucker / Valdez / Thompson
DE- Mykel / White / Okoronkwo

Sam Okuayinonu?

11 deep on the line (maybe 12 if Sam O comes back) and that 2nd unit is better than half the teams starting 4.

Wave after wave of fresh pass rushers just like the Hawks and probably the biggest reason they won the SB.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I think anyone we trade for now won't suit up Sunday, I can't see the team putting a new WR out there, Cooks wasn't elevated the first week we signed him so gotta assume we wouldn't put someone out there right away

It is why i said starting caliber and Cooks is not starting caliber anymore. CMC arrived on that Friday.
As just a name/talent to throw out there, Stefon Diggs. If he walked in the building Thursday night, they could not have 15-20 snaps for him on Sunday? Especially if Evans and Deebo are still out?
Hell Garrett Wilson played in a version of this offense already.

Again i was only disputing his point that any trade would be pointless for the next 3 weeks because they could not play.

Originally posted by VaBhodi:
This.

You trade away draft cap, you complicate the cap space...for a guy who is #4 or 5 in 3 to 4 weeks.

Madness.

Again, "stop wetting the bed." Put some Depends on. Next 2 weeks will be a slog, but all goes well, we're 7-0, coming off the bye. Peeps coming back, and you're thinking about this convo like last Friday's hook-up.... "The Frak was I thinking."

:D

Again i was not, and made it clear, arguing about salary or pick values.
Just if the 49ers somehow traded for a TJ Watt, Justin Jefferson, Jaylen Waddle, or similar talent+experience they would be useless until November 15th.

Why not try to pick up Ladd McConkey from the Chargers? He's young and although he's not a burner he runs a nice route and would be an asset.

Originally posted by bigpete50:
Why not try to pick up Ladd McConkey from the Chargers? He's young and although he's not a burner he runs a nice route and would be an asset.

Ladd McConkey is injured or dealing with injuries. I think the teams best bet is going after Chris Godwin. I think a trio of Godwin, Deebo, Kirk, Brandon Cooks and Demarcus Robinson could get the 9ers through a few games while Evans rest. Sure 49ers wouldn't get them all back at once but those are some dependable veterans.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Wilson has been pretty damn good for the last few years with funky QBs. He would be awesome with KS and Purdy

Wilson is signed through 2030 with huge cap and dead money numbers for the next two years, Dead money this year would be the balance of $58 million. Next year $48,000,000.I can't imagine what would have to happen to bring him here. Maybe AB81 has some magic.

Based off of the his deal he's cost us $1.537m in 2026, $16.5m in 2027, $29,175,171 in 2028, $29,824,819 in 2029 and $34.5m in 2030, the 49ers would take on his $10m option bonus he's due in 2027, and then his 2027 base salary is all that's fully guaranteed still and then his 2028 base salary becomes fully guarantee in March of 2027, the Jets would take on a $8.287m dead money for 2026 and then $24.25m in 2027, so they'd actually lose money in 2027 as his dead money is more than his cap number so you'd have to believe the Jets would want premium draft capital to trade him

Thanks. I knew it couldn't work but not all the details as you have laid them out.

Yeah it's just so much money, the compensation to get him would have to be a lot for them to be willing to take any type of loss, they won't give him away for cheap, the 2027 hit would be fine but those last 3yrs is way way too high IMO

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by VaBhodi:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I think anyone we trade for now won't suit up Sunday, I can't see the team putting a new WR out there, Cooks wasn't elevated the first week we signed him so gotta assume we wouldn't put someone out there right away

This.

You trade away draft cap, you complicate the cap space...for a guy who is #4 or 5 in 3 to 4 weeks.

Madness.

Again, "stop wetting the bed." Put some Depends on. Next 2 weeks will be a slog, but all goes well, we're 7-0, coming off the bye. Peeps coming back, and you're thinking about this convo like last Friday's hook-up.... "The Frak was I thinking."

:D

Garrett Wilson wouldn't be #4 or 5. He would arguably give us the best starting wideouts in the league and would be a sure fire #1 if Evans misses time.

I'd throw all my chips on the table this year. Every single one. We have enough young depth players we can afford to trade picks away for legit vets.

2027 1st, 2028 1st and Jordan Watkins for Garrett Wilson

Deebo and Robinson are free agents. Evans and Pearsall can't stay healthy. Stribling had a nice pre-season but we have seen this before. He's still an unknown.

BUT; if everything pans out and guys stay healthy good luck stopping this team in the playoffs with:

RB- CMC
TE- Kittle
WR- Evans
WR- Wilson
WR- Deebo
WR- Stribling
WR- Robinson

And then a 2027 group of:

RB- CMC
TE- Kittle
WR- Evans
WR- Wilson
WR- Stribling
WR- Pearsall
WR- Deebo (Re-sign)

Then trade a 2027 4th and 2028 4th for Deforest Buckner and we re-sign Buck in the offseason

DE- Bosa / Height
DT- Osa / Halton / West
DT- Bucker / Valdez / Thompson
DE- Mykel / White / Okoronkwo

Sam Okuayinonu?

11 deep on the line (maybe 12 if Sam O comes back) and that 2nd unit is better than half the teams starting 4.

Wave after wave of fresh pass rushers just like the Hawks and probably the biggest reason they won the SB.

I highly doubt they make a trade today when tomorrow is the deadline for a player to be on the roster for Sunday's game just seems to soon, I know CMC played the same week but it's not like played like he does now where he's in on the majority of offensive snaps as they had him on a snap count so I think it's unlikely they make a trade today and have that player play Sunday

also seeing as how we're in Atlanta this weekend it seems unlikely we make a trade this week, I honestly think any trade will be made at the deadline and not beforehand, we're off next week so I'd think week 9 which I think is the deadline so more likely they make a deal week 9 either Monday or the day of the deadline

Don't make a trade because they won't be available for 3 weeks? Lol. That's the thinking that will make smack your head against a wall and cry. Evans is managing a season long injury at best. That means he will either end up on the IR or will not be able to finish games for the rest of the season. Rolling with injury prone Deebo, DRob who is up there in age and honestly has only flashed recently, injury prone Kirk, Watkins who has all of 2 catches, street scrub cooks and a rookie with an unknown return date and no receptions under his nfl belt. The warning light is flashing and people want to just keep driving and hope it all works out. Insane. Evans injury absolutely requires trade action asap. the sooner the better.

Someone has asked about what "all-in" means, either on this or the trades thread.

For me "all-in" means: "Trade for an available player who can be better than those you currently have in his position, even if the latter are healthy. And don't worry about the compensation."

Some players will not be tradeable because their current teams need them more than draft picks (forget the outlandish part exchange deals - nobody WANTS Jordan Watkins on their team other than for free. Perhaps. Maybe. If the stars align). Or their teams don't want to absorb dead cap hits for any pick compensation. Or both. Or they may simply hate Lynch, or Jed, or the 49ers as a concept, or the colour of our helmets. So, forget about those.

But once such a player IS conceivably available go for it, for the resources you have.

Don't worry about "taking reps away from youngsters". The time to win is now.

Don't worry about "draft capital". The time to win is now.

For heaven's sake, don't nickel and dime with which round the pick you're trading will be in. Number of picks can be an issue (you're wasting the option of having more than one player in the future) but the round? Especially below the 1st round? Who knows where some college player will be pickable 9 months from now? Note, that this doesn't mean that multi-pick compensation is bad in itself. There's surely a happy medium between one and your whole draft as per Ricky W trade.

"All-in" is not a guarantee that you will win the SB. The player may get injured, or suck. Even if the player is fabulous and you get to the SB, your QB may overthrow him while wide open - AGAIN. Or he may be put on a chokehold while the referee is whistling a happy tune - AGAIN. Your stupid punt returner may muff a punt - AGAIN. You may sleepwalk for a half and find yourself 4 scores down - AGAIN. You may get a chance, but you refuse to run Frank Flippin Gore from the 5 yard linep - AGAIN.

Or a lot more things can go wrong. It's life. It's sports. If it were deterministic we wouldn't watch.

What "all-in" does is to get one more lottery ticket. One more spin of the wheel. In fact, everything that a GM does is exactly that. Only "all-in" means doing this now, in the hope of building on a cracking start to go for a title, rather doing it in April "to build for the future, through the draft".

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by VaBhodi:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I think anyone we trade for now won't suit up Sunday, I can't see the team putting a new WR out there, Cooks wasn't elevated the first week we signed him so gotta assume we wouldn't put someone out there right away

This.

You trade away draft cap, you complicate the cap space...for a guy who is #4 or 5 in 3 to 4 weeks.

Madness.

Again, "stop wetting the bed." Put some Depends on. Next 2 weeks will be a slog, but all goes well, we're 7-0, coming off the bye. Peeps coming back, and you're thinking about this convo like last Friday's hook-up.... "The Frak was I thinking."

:D

Garrett Wilson wouldn't be #4 or 5. He would arguably give us the best starting wideouts in the league and would be a sure fire #1 if Evans misses time.

I'd throw all my chips on the table this year. Every single one. We have enough young depth players we can afford to trade picks away for legit vets.

2027 1st, 2028 1st and Jordan Watkins for Garrett Wilson

Deebo and Robinson are free agents. Evans and Pearsall can't stay healthy. Stribling had a nice pre-season but we have seen this before. He's still an unknown.

BUT; if everything pans out and guys stay healthy good luck stopping this team in the playoffs with:

RB- CMC
TE- Kittle
WR- Evans
WR- Wilson
WR- Deebo
WR- Stribling
WR- Robinson

And then a 2027 group of:

RB- CMC
TE- Kittle
WR- Evans
WR- Wilson
WR- Stribling
WR- Pearsall
WR- Deebo (Re-sign)

Then trade a 2027 4th and 2028 4th for Deforest Buckner and we re-sign Buck in the offseason

DE- Bosa / Height
DT- Osa / Halton / West
DT- Bucker / Valdez / Thompson
DE- Mykel / White / Okoronkwo

Sam Okuayinonu?

11 deep on the line (maybe 12 if Sam O comes back) and that 2nd unit is better than half the teams starting 4.

Wave after wave of fresh pass rushers just like the Hawks and probably the biggest reason they won the SB.

Yep this year you go for it. Kyle has even been suprised at the dline maturing so fast. If you can get re enforcements cheap, go d-line. Go get Wilson or the best next wr and we'll win the Super Bowl for sure. We can now healthy. Go for it.

Originally posted by VaBhodi:

Originally posted by alwayssecond:
Garrett Wilson would be amazing and I would gladly give strib or anyone unproven for him

Step away from the Xbox Madden Franchise mode.....

Originally posted by VaBhodi:

Originally posted by alwayssecond:
Garrett Wilson would be amazing and I would gladly give strib or anyone unproven for him

Step away from the Xbox Madden Franchise mode.....

😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆.Bro, it might work. Those sims are getting pretty good 😆

My Prediction for this Trade Deadline...

Seattle makes a trade: "WTF Lynch why didn't you try to get him!!!"
Rams make a trade: "Well I guess Lynch will do nothing I we will be 1 and done in the playoffs"
49ers make a Trade: "Wow Lynch really scrapped the bottom of the barrel while the Rams and Seahawks improved their teams by 100%"
Couple Months Later: "Lynch made a great mid season trade that really helped the team in the second half of the season."

Originally posted by GunsUp240G:
My Prediction for this Trade Deadline...

Seattle makes a trade: "WTF Lynch why didn't you try to get him!!!"
Rams make a trade: "Well I guess Lynch will do nothing I we will be 1 and done in the playoffs"
49ers make a Trade: "Wow Lynch really scrapped the bottom of the barrel while the Rams and Seahawks improved their teams by 100%"
Couple Months Later: "Lynch made a great mid season trade that really helped the team in the second half of the season."

We need to hope Seattle and the rams don't make those trades because if they do and we don't or we go bargain shopping they will have the last laugh.