John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Cosmo:
How good was this team before Lynch and Shanny got here? People crying that they want him fired should try being Browns fans. 1989 was the last time they even won their division.

32 years since our last championship and lynch has been involved in 10 years of that drought. He also managed what is described as the worst nfl trade in the last decade for the trey lance debacle.

Trey Lance trade was bad. But no. It was not the worst trade in the last decade. The two future 1sts became #29 overall. There are far worse trades than that. Deshaun Watson and Russell Wilson were both worse.

If the Dolphins had become a contender (or at least won their first playoff game since the Twin Towers were still standing), or one of those future 1sts became a premium pick (or even a top 20 pick), or we were still looking for a QB (or simply didn't end up with a franchise QB anyway), maybe you would have a point. But none of those happened.

I know how you will respond. "bUt wE dIdNt wIn SUPER BOWL!!!" Okay. That doesn't make this the worst trade of the last decade. Not even close.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Cosmo:
How good was this team before Lynch and Shanny got here? People crying that they want him fired should try being Browns fans. 1989 was the last time they even won their division.

Who said anything about firing him?

Why can't we criticize these guys without you all getting butt hurt?

Sounds like those criticizing are the ones that are butt hurt.

Nope. I'm not butthurt. But I'm also not going to give these guys a free pass and slobber over every move they make.

Like I said before, we can give them credit for the good moves they have made but at the same time we can also criticize them for the poor ones because they can do better.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Cosmo:
How good was this team before Lynch and Shanny got here? People crying that they want him fired should try being Browns fans. 1989 was the last time they even won their division.

Who said anything about firing him?

Why can't we criticize these guys without you all getting butt hurt?

Sounds like those criticizing are the ones that are butt hurt.

Nope. I'm not butthurt. But I'm also not going to give these guys a free pass and slobber over every move they make.

Like I said before, we can give them credit for the good moves they have made but at the same time we can also criticize them for the poor ones because they can do better.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Cosmo:
How good was this team before Lynch and Shanny got here? People crying that they want him fired should try being Browns fans. 1989 was the last time they even won their division.

32 years since our last championship and lynch has been involved in 10 years of that drought. He also managed what is described as the worst nfl trade in the last decade for the trey lance debacle.

Trey Lance trade was bad. But no. It was not the worst trade in the last decade. The two future 1sts became #29 overall. There are far worse trades than that. Deshaun Watson and Russell Wilson were both worse.

If the Dolphins had become a contender (or at least won their first playoff game since the Twin Towers were still standing), or one of those future 1sts became a premium pick (or even a top 20 pick), or we were still looking for a QB (or simply didn't end up with a franchise QB anyway), maybe you would have a point. But none of those happened.

I know how you will respond. "bUt wE dIdNt wIn SUPER BOWL!!!" Okay. That doesn't make this the worst trade of the last decade. Not even close.

Yea, the Watson trade is worse, because not only did they give up picks they also gave him a fully guaranteed contract.

Originally posted by Chance:
I honestly don't think there's anyone really glazing every move. In general, the sum of all of our moves has us consistently competing year in year out. We've had some misses, but also some big hits. Every FO has a mixed record. The people who complain show the least amount of nuance, imo. I see far more people panning the FO over every single thing that happens while never giving them their flowers. And as usual, fans rarely employ a nuanced perspective. I think the last two drafts are looking pretty good after some underwhelming drafts. To see guys like Colby, Sigle, Stout, Black, Duggar, Halton as quality starters right now (with injured guys like Mykel and Strib having looked good in limited time), to me at least, gives this FO a bit more leash. They needed to restock the cupboard, and seem to have risen to the occasion. I also thought the offseason was quietly good with a limited budget.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by jcs:
32 years since our last championship and lynch has been involved in 10 years of that drought. He also managed what is described as the worst nfl trade in the last decade for the trey lance debacle.

Then made one of the greatest draft selections in NFL history the next year. Becomes a push.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

When have you given credit? All you do is cry.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by jcs:
32 years since our last championship and lynch has been involved in 10 years of that drought. He also managed what is described as the worst nfl trade in the last decade for the trey lance debacle.

Then made one of the greatest draft selections in NFL history the next year. Becomes a push.

Purdy wasn't a Lynch selection. Brian Griese pounded the table for him.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

When have you given credit? All you do is cry.

They will get credit when they win. Until they are just another contender that can't win the big game

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Cosmo:
How good was this team before Lynch and Shanny got here? People crying that they want him fired should try being Browns fans. 1989 was the last time they even won their division.

Who said anything about firing him?

Why can't we criticize these guys without you all getting butt hurt?

Sounds like those criticizing are the ones that are butt hurt.

Nope. I'm not butthurt. But I'm also not going to give these guys a free pass and slobber over every move they make.

Like I said before, we can give them credit for the good moves they have made but at the same time we can also criticize them for the poor ones because they can do better.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Chance:
I honestly don't think there's anyone really glazing every move. In general, the sum of all of our moves has us consistently competing year in year out. We've had some misses, but also some big hits. Every FO has a mixed record. The people who complain show the least amount of nuance, imo. I see far more people panning the FO over every single thing that happens while never giving them their flowers. And as usual, fans rarely employ a nuanced perspective. I think the last two drafts are looking pretty good after some underwhelming drafts. To see guys like Colby, Sigle, Stout, Black, Duggar, Halton as quality starters right now (with injured guys like Mykel and Strib having looked good in limited time), to me at least, gives this FO a bit more leash. They needed to restock the cupboard, and seem to have risen to the occasion. I also thought the offseason was quietly good with a limited budget.

That's the whole issue with this regime.

Lynch and Shanahan reach on guys they think are system fits every single year in rounds 1-3 then the scouts and position coaches take over and they have success in rounds 4-7

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Chance:
I honestly don't think there's anyone really glazing every move. In general, the sum of all of our moves has us consistently competing year in year out. We've had some misses, but also some big hits. Every FO has a mixed record. The people who complain show the least amount of nuance, imo. I see far more people panning the FO over every single thing that happens while never giving them their flowers. And as usual, fans rarely employ a nuanced perspective. I think the last two drafts are looking pretty good after some underwhelming drafts. To see guys like Colby, Sigle, Stout, Black, Duggar, Halton as quality starters right now (with injured guys like Mykel and Strib having looked good in limited time), to me at least, gives this FO a bit more leash. They needed to restock the cupboard, and seem to have risen to the occasion. I also thought the offseason was quietly good with a limited budget.

That's the whole issue with this regime.

Lynch and Shanahan reach on guys they think are system fits every single year in rounds 1-3 then the scouts and position coaches take over and they have success in rounds 4-7

That's f**king b******t. You aren't in the draft room. You can't just assign credit to nebulous other people in the organization simply because it suits your narrative. That's not how reality works. You're exactly who I'm talking about when I say there are posters here who wholly lack nuance.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
If you wanna criticize the Buckner move you have to criticize paying Jimmy G because that was the reason he was moved. Had we not traded for Jimmy and just taken Josh Allen the next year we'd also have a title or two by now. It really is 20/20

You don't trade what they did to move up to take a WR. Especially after taking Aiyuk the year before. Hell I wanted Jefferson at the time so he'd be the move to make in 20 instead of Wirfs or Kinlaw.

Also how do you get Wirfs if you don't trade Buckner? Would've had no shot at Wirfs.

O line has generally been good. To sum a loss up to one missed block when the defense had zero chance of stopping KC even if they scored is way too harsh. Wirfs also doesn't play guard so he doesn't help with what you want to criticize.

Secondary in general has been ignored and that's my biggest beef. If anything that has been the biggest cost to this team whether it be Moseley and Sherm getting beaten at end of 54 or blowing coverages in 59 to lose game.

I still wouldn't have resigned Huf as he's not the coverage safety this team needs. DJ should've been kept. Cap is a real thing.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Only the mistakes apparently.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Only the mistakes apparently.

And if you follow their drafts there has been plenty