John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by braap49er:
We also don't have an owner who takes accountability. He's more buddy buddy with the GM and Coach.

What owner takes accountability? Kraft? Giants owner in Epstein files?

If you want rich nfl owners to take accountability you will be waiting a long time.

Right? One of the Giants owners is in the Epstein files and that's way worse than Jed paying for sex

Originally posted by Superbowl:
Neglecting the OL for years will cost lynch.

They haven't been ignoring it. They just haven't hit on some of their picks.

Mike McGlinchey - top 10 pick
Aaron Banks - early 2nd round pick

Both guys started for us but weren't good enough to get extensions with the team. I'm sure the team would've liked to keep McGlinchey but there were too many other priority signings to make.

We've done pretty well on developmental OTs in the later rounds - Colton McKivitz is the best example but Jaylon Moore got himself a very nice deal with KC and looked pretty good replacing Trent last year here. Even Skule was serviceable.

Burford was a failure but had some potential too.

I think the bigger issue is their ideology. That they can invest in traits and coach them up. Yes we've had some examples of this working but the issue is if you're missing on those early skill players/defenders and pushing down the OL talent your odds of success go down and your team is weaker for it.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Superbowl:
Neglecting the OL for years will cost lynch.

They haven't been ignoring it. They just haven't hit on some of their picks.

Mike McGlinchey - top 10 pick
Aaron Banks - early 2nd round pick

Both guys started for us but weren't good enough to get extensions with the team. I'm sure the team would've liked to keep McGlinchey but there were too many other priority signings to make.

We've done pretty well on developmental OTs in the later rounds - Colton McKivitz is the best example but Jaylon Moore got himself a very nice deal with KC and looked pretty good replacing Trent last year here. Even Skule was serviceable.

Burford was a failure but had some potential too.

I think the bigger issue is their ideology. That they can invest in traits and coach them up. Yes we've had some examples of this working but the issue is if you're missing on those early skill players/defenders and pushing down the OL talent your odds of success go down and your team is weaker for it.

The Niners aren't likely to get a top tackle as long as they play well enough to not get pick in the top 10 or 15. Even when they got those picks they use dthem on a QB or edge rusher. Most of the big time O line guys go to bad teams. That doesn't mean they won't ever find a gem in the late rounds.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The Niners aren't likely to get a top tackle as long as they play well enough to not get pick in the top 10 or 15. Even when they got those picks they use dthem on a QB or edge rusher. Most of the big time O line guys go to bad teams. That doesn't mean they won't ever find a gem in the late rounds.

A gem in the late rds.....they certainly try.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Superbowl:
Neglecting the OL for years will cost lynch.

They haven't been ignoring it. They just haven't hit on some of their picks.

Mike McGlinchey - top 10 pick
Aaron Banks - early 2nd round pick

Both guys started for us but weren't good enough to get extensions with the team. I'm sure the team would've liked to keep McGlinchey but there were too many other priority signings to make.

We've done pretty well on developmental OTs in the later rounds - Colton McKivitz is the best example but Jaylon Moore got himself a very nice deal with KC and looked pretty good replacing Trent last year here. Even Skule was serviceable.

Burford was a failure but had some potential too.

I think the bigger issue is their ideology. That they can invest in traits and coach them up. Yes we've had some examples of this working but the issue is if you're missing on those early skill players/defenders and pushing down the OL talent your odds of success go down and your team is weaker for it.

The problem is the discrepancy in the amount of resources they have thrown at DL & WR in the early rounds of the draft in comparison to the OL.

2017: (1a) Solomon Thomas, (1b) Reuben Foster
2018: (1) Mike McGlinchey, (2) Dante Pettis
2019: (1) Nick Bosa, (2) Deebo Samuel
2020: (1a) Javon Kinlaw, (1b) Brandon Aiyuk
2021: (1) Trey Lance, (2) Aaron Banks
2022: (2) Drake Jackson
2023: No 1st or 2nd round pick
2024: (1) Ricky Pearsall, (2) Renardo Green
2025: (1) Mykel Williams, (2) Alfred Collins
2026: (2) De'Zhaun Stribling

DL picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 6
WR picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 5
Other positions picked in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 3
OL picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 2

Hits (received 2nd contract from Niners): 3 (1 of which was Aiyuk who is ultimately a miss).
Misses (let go after rookie contract): 8
TBD: 5

We have misfired year after year on DL & WR not to mention the Trey Lance trade set us back tremendously. Purdy is the 49ers savior. If it wasn't for him, I think this regime would be done because any other GM/Coach doesn't survive that big of a miss.

What is mind boggling to me is Shanalynch's philosophy. I understand pass rush is high on the priority list but you are prioritizing players that you keep in a rotation. The OL is a unit that plays every offensive series! They are only subbed out if someone is hurt or you have such a nice lead you put the backups in. Imagine if we had drafted Wirfs instead of Kinlaw & Frazier instead of Pearsall (tbh hindsight 20/20 here because I really wanted Jackson Powers Johnson @ #1):

Trent / McKivitz / Frazier / Puni / Wirfs - Easily top 3 OL, maybe best in league.

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
The problem is the discrepancy in the amount of resources they have thrown at DL & WR in the early rounds of the draft in comparison to the OL.

2017: (1a) Solomon Thomas, (1b) Reuben Foster
2018: (1) Mike McGlinchey, (2) Dante Pettis
2019: (1) Nick Bosa, (2) Deebo Samuel
2020: (1a) Javon Kinlaw, (1b) Brandon Aiyuk
2021: (1) Trey Lance, (2) Aaron Banks
2022: (2) Drake Jackson
2023: No 1st or 2nd round pick
2024: (1) Ricky Pearsall, (2) Renardo Green
2025: (1) Mykel Williams, (2) Alfred Collins
2026: (2) De'Zhaun Stribling

DL picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 6
WR picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 5
Other positions picked in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 3
OL picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 2

Hits (received 2nd contract from Niners): 3 (1 of which was Aiyuk who is ultimately a miss).
Misses (let go after rookie contract): 8
TBD: 5

We have misfired year after year on DL & WR not to mention the Trey Lance trade set us back tremendously. Purdy is the 49ers savior. If it wasn't for him, I think this regime would be done because any other GM/Coach doesn't survive that big of a miss.

What is mind boggling to me is Shanalynch's philosophy. I understand pass rush is high on the priority list but you are prioritizing players that you keep in a rotation. The OL is a unit that plays every offensive series! They are only subbed out if someone is hurt or you have such a nice lead you put the backups in. Imagine if we had drafted Wirfs instead of Kinlaw & Frazier instead of Pearsall (tbh hindsight 20/20 here because I really wanted Jackson Powers Johnson @ #1):

Trent / McKivitz / Frazier / Puni / Wirfs - Easily top 3 OL, maybe best in league.

Could do the same in the secondary, which has been ignored even worse over the last decade. 9ers are only team not to use a pick higher than 64 on a DB in that timeframe.

O line has been a much better year unit year in and year out than the secondary has been. Wish they'd address both more. Too weapons focused.

Mckivitz wouldn't be a very good guard IMO.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
The problem is the discrepancy in the amount of resources they have thrown at DL & WR in the early rounds of the draft in comparison to the OL.

2017: (1a) Solomon Thomas, (1b) Reuben Foster
2018: (1) Mike McGlinchey, (2) Dante Pettis
2019: (1) Nick Bosa, (2) Deebo Samuel
2020: (1a) Javon Kinlaw, (1b) Brandon Aiyuk
2021: (1) Trey Lance, (2) Aaron Banks
2022: (2) Drake Jackson
2023: No 1st or 2nd round pick
2024: (1) Ricky Pearsall, (2) Renardo Green
2025: (1) Mykel Williams, (2) Alfred Collins
2026: (2) De'Zhaun Stribling

DL picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 6
WR picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 5
Other positions picked in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 3
OL picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 2

Hits (received 2nd contract from Niners): 3 (1 of which was Aiyuk who is ultimately a miss).
Misses (let go after rookie contract): 8
TBD: 5

We have misfired year after year on DL & WR not to mention the Trey Lance trade set us back tremendously. Purdy is the 49ers savior. If it wasn't for him, I think this regime would be done because any other GM/Coach doesn't survive that big of a miss.

What is mind boggling to me is Shanalynch's philosophy. I understand pass rush is high on the priority list but you are prioritizing players that you keep in a rotation. The OL is a unit that plays every offensive series! They are only subbed out if someone is hurt or you have such a nice lead you put the backups in. Imagine if we had drafted Wirfs instead of Kinlaw & Frazier instead of Pearsall (tbh hindsight 20/20 here because I really wanted Jackson Powers Johnson @ #1):

Trent / McKivitz / Frazier / Puni / Wirfs - Easily top 3 OL, maybe best in league.

Could do the same in the secondary, which has been ignored even worse over the last decade. 9ers are only team not to use a pick higher than 64 on a DB in that timeframe.

O line has been a much better year unit year in and year out than the secondary has been. Wish they'd address both more. Too weapons focused.

Mckivitz wouldn't be a very good guard IMO.

Damn! Two picks in the first round in 2017 and they misfired on both. That can outrank the Trey Lance pick as the worst decision the niners made in their draft history

Misfires:

Solomon Thomas, Reuben Foster, Javon Kinlaw, Trey Lance.

Not good enough to make it pass their rookie contracts:

Mike McGlinchey, Brandon Aiyuk - earned a second contract but was a b***h about it and beyond

Seriously f**k the picks and make some damn trades!!!

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Misfires:

Solomon Thomas, Reuben Foster, Javon Kinlaw, Trey Lance.

Not good enough to make it pass their rookie contracts:

Mike McGlinchey, Brandon Aiyuk - earned a second contract but was a b***h about it and beyond

Seriously f**k the picks and make some damn trades!!!

A lot of high misses. A lot of early hits with mid rounders etc, but lately not much at all and it's caught up to them.

I wish they would treat it like they just took over the team and rebuild the roster tbh. They have Purdy to build around on offense which is the most important piece. It doesn't help we compete in a brutal division.

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Superbowl:
Neglecting the OL for years will cost lynch.

They haven't been ignoring it. They just haven't hit on some of their picks.

Mike McGlinchey - top 10 pick
Aaron Banks - early 2nd round pick

Both guys started for us but weren't good enough to get extensions with the team. I'm sure the team would've liked to keep McGlinchey but there were too many other priority signings to make.

We've done pretty well on developmental OTs in the later rounds - Colton McKivitz is the best example but Jaylon Moore got himself a very nice deal with KC and looked pretty good replacing Trent last year here. Even Skule was serviceable.

Burford was a failure but had some potential too.

I think the bigger issue is their ideology. That they can invest in traits and coach them up. Yes we've had some examples of this working but the issue is if you're missing on those early skill players/defenders and pushing down the OL talent your odds of success go down and your team is weaker for it.

The problem is the discrepancy in the amount of resources they have thrown at DL & WR in the early rounds of the draft in comparison to the OL.

2017: (1a) Solomon Thomas, (1b) Reuben Foster
2018: (1) Mike McGlinchey, (2) Dante Pettis
2019: (1) Nick Bosa, (2) Deebo Samuel
2020: (1a) Javon Kinlaw, (1b) Brandon Aiyuk
2021: (1) Trey Lance, (2) Aaron Banks
2022: (2) Drake Jackson
2023: No 1st or 2nd round pick
2024: (1) Ricky Pearsall, (2) Renardo Green
2025: (1) Mykel Williams, (2) Alfred Collins
2026: (2) De'Zhaun Stribling

DL picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 6
WR picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 5
Other positions picked in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 3
OL picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 2

Hits (received 2nd contract from Niners): 3 (1 of which was Aiyuk who is ultimately a miss).
Misses (let go after rookie contract): 8
TBD: 5

We have misfired year after year on DL & WR not to mention the Trey Lance trade set us back tremendously. Purdy is the 49ers savior. If it wasn't for him, I think this regime would be done because any other GM/Coach doesn't survive that big of a miss.

What is mind boggling to me is Shanalynch's philosophy. I understand pass rush is high on the priority list but you are prioritizing players that you keep in a rotation. The OL is a unit that plays every offensive series! They are only subbed out if someone is hurt or you have such a nice lead you put the backups in. Imagine if we had drafted Wirfs instead of Kinlaw & Frazier instead of Pearsall (tbh hindsight 20/20 here because I really wanted Jackson Powers Johnson @ #1):

Trent / McKivitz / Frazier / Puni / Wirfs - Easily top 3 OL, maybe best in league.

I get the frustration but the comparison isn't 1 to 1 imo.

OL once you get your starters they play 100% of the snaps unless an injury/blowout happens. DL constantly rotates and you almost never seen healthy DLmen get 100% snaps.

Plus what you're showing is also part of my point, our ideology is warped. We use premium picks for guys who touch the football on offense or defense and want to coach up guys who have tools/scheme fit in the later rounds. Obviously it doesn't always work out.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Misfires:

Solomon Thomas, Reuben Foster, Javon Kinlaw, Trey Lance.

Not good enough to make it pass their rookie contracts:

Mike McGlinchey, Brandon Aiyuk - earned a second contract but was a b***h about it and beyond

Seriously f**k the picks and make some damn trades!!!

A lot of high misses. A lot of early hits with mid rounders etc, but lately not much at all and it's caught up to them.

I wish they would treat it like they just took over the team and rebuild the roster tbh. They have Purdy to build around on offense which is the most important piece. It doesn't help we compete in a brutal division.

Honestly it's the trades that they've made and late round gems that's keeping this team competitive. They're good at that so why not keep it going, make more trades.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Superbowl:
Neglecting the OL for years will cost lynch.

They haven't been ignoring it. They just haven't hit on some of their picks.

Mike McGlinchey - top 10 pick
Aaron Banks - early 2nd round pick

Both guys started for us but weren't good enough to get extensions with the team. I'm sure the team would've liked to keep McGlinchey but there were too many other priority signings to make.

We've done pretty well on developmental OTs in the later rounds - Colton McKivitz is the best example but Jaylon Moore got himself a very nice deal with KC and looked pretty good replacing Trent last year here. Even Skule was serviceable.

Burford was a failure but had some potential too.

I think the bigger issue is their ideology. That they can invest in traits and coach them up. Yes we've had some examples of this working but the issue is if you're missing on those early skill players/defenders and pushing down the OL talent your odds of success go down and your team is weaker for it.

The problem is the discrepancy in the amount of resources they have thrown at DL & WR in the early rounds of the draft in comparison to the OL.

2017: (1a) Solomon Thomas, (1b) Reuben Foster
2018: (1) Mike McGlinchey, (2) Dante Pettis
2019: (1) Nick Bosa, (2) Deebo Samuel
2020: (1a) Javon Kinlaw, (1b) Brandon Aiyuk
2021: (1) Trey Lance, (2) Aaron Banks
2022: (2) Drake Jackson
2023: No 1st or 2nd round pick
2024: (1) Ricky Pearsall, (2) Renardo Green
2025: (1) Mykel Williams, (2) Alfred Collins
2026: (2) De'Zhaun Stribling

DL picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 6
WR picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 5
Other positions picked in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 3
OL picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 2

Hits (received 2nd contract from Niners): 3 (1 of which was Aiyuk who is ultimately a miss).
Misses (let go after rookie contract): 8
TBD: 5

We have misfired year after year on DL & WR not to mention the Trey Lance trade set us back tremendously. Purdy is the 49ers savior. If it wasn't for him, I think this regime would be done because any other GM/Coach doesn't survive that big of a miss.

What is mind boggling to me is Shanalynch's philosophy. I understand pass rush is high on the priority list but you are prioritizing players that you keep in a rotation. The OL is a unit that plays every offensive series! They are only subbed out if someone is hurt or you have such a nice lead you put the backups in. Imagine if we had drafted Wirfs instead of Kinlaw & Frazier instead of Pearsall (tbh hindsight 20/20 here because I really wanted Jackson Powers Johnson @ #1):

Trent / McKivitz / Frazier / Puni / Wirfs - Easily top 3 OL, maybe best in league.

I get the frustration but the comparison isn't 1 to 1 imo.

OL once you get your starters they play 100% of the snaps unless an injury/blowout happens. DL constantly rotates and you almost never seen healthy DLmen get 100% snaps.

Plus what you're showing is also part of my point, our ideology is warped. We use premium picks for guys who touch the football on offense or defense and want to coach up guys who have tools/scheme fit in the later rounds. Obviously it doesn't always work out.

Lol I think we are on the same page, just different paragraphs.

To your point in bold, I think it's more beneficial to invest premium capital in players who stay in the entire game & protect arguably the most important person on the field versus players who rotate every series. If I were running this team, I would be picking rotation players, such as Gracen Halton, in the exact round he was found, the mid to late rounds.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Misfires:

Solomon Thomas, Reuben Foster, Javon Kinlaw, Trey Lance.

Not good enough to make it pass their rookie contracts:

Mike McGlinchey, Brandon Aiyuk - earned a second contract but was a b***h about it and beyond

Seriously f**k the picks and make some damn trades!!!

A lot of high misses. A lot of early hits with mid rounders etc, but lately not much at all and it's caught up to them.

I wish they would treat it like they just took over the team and rebuild the roster tbh. They have Purdy to build around on offense which is the most important piece. It doesn't help we compete in a brutal division.

Honestly it's the trades that they've made and late round gems that's keeping this team competitive. They're good at that so why not keep it going, make more trades.

I know and for sure trades help, but you need that constant influx of good, and cap manageable talent solid consistent drafting creates. The great teams have two things in common - they found a franchise qb (I believe Purdy is that guy btw) and they draft very well over long stretches. We drafted very well the first few years, but I would say since Lance it's been abysmal in comparison.

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Superbowl:
Neglecting the OL for years will cost lynch.

They haven't been ignoring it. They just haven't hit on some of their picks.

Mike McGlinchey - top 10 pick
Aaron Banks - early 2nd round pick

Both guys started for us but weren't good enough to get extensions with the team. I'm sure the team would've liked to keep McGlinchey but there were too many other priority signings to make.

We've done pretty well on developmental OTs in the later rounds - Colton McKivitz is the best example but Jaylon Moore got himself a very nice deal with KC and looked pretty good replacing Trent last year here. Even Skule was serviceable.

Burford was a failure but had some potential too.

I think the bigger issue is their ideology. That they can invest in traits and coach them up. Yes we've had some examples of this working but the issue is if you're missing on those early skill players/defenders and pushing down the OL talent your odds of success go down and your team is weaker for it.

The problem is the discrepancy in the amount of resources they have thrown at DL & WR in the early rounds of the draft in comparison to the OL.

2017: (1a) Solomon Thomas, (1b) Reuben Foster
2018: (1) Mike McGlinchey, (2) Dante Pettis
2019: (1) Nick Bosa, (2) Deebo Samuel
2020: (1a) Javon Kinlaw, (1b) Brandon Aiyuk
2021: (1) Trey Lance, (2) Aaron Banks
2022: (2) Drake Jackson
2023: No 1st or 2nd round pick
2024: (1) Ricky Pearsall, (2) Renardo Green
2025: (1) Mykel Williams, (2) Alfred Collins
2026: (2) De'Zhaun Stribling

DL picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 6
WR picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 5
Other positions picked in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 3
OL picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 2

Hits (received 2nd contract from Niners): 3 (1 of which was Aiyuk who is ultimately a miss).
Misses (let go after rookie contract): 8
TBD: 5

We have misfired year after year on DL & WR not to mention the Trey Lance trade set us back tremendously. Purdy is the 49ers savior. If it wasn't for him, I think this regime would be done because any other GM/Coach doesn't survive that big of a miss.

What is mind boggling to me is Shanalynch's philosophy. I understand pass rush is high on the priority list but you are prioritizing players that you keep in a rotation. The OL is a unit that plays every offensive series! They are only subbed out if someone is hurt or you have such a nice lead you put the backups in. Imagine if we had drafted Wirfs instead of Kinlaw & Frazier instead of Pearsall (tbh hindsight 20/20 here because I really wanted Jackson Powers Johnson @ #1):

Trent / McKivitz / Frazier / Puni / Wirfs - Easily top 3 OL, maybe best in league.

I get the frustration but the comparison isn't 1 to 1 imo.

OL once you get your starters they play 100% of the snaps unless an injury/blowout happens. DL constantly rotates and you almost never seen healthy DLmen get 100% snaps.

Plus what you're showing is also part of my point, our ideology is warped. We use premium picks for guys who touch the football on offense or defense and want to coach up guys who have tools/scheme fit in the later rounds. Obviously it doesn't always work out.

Lol I think we are on the same page, just different paragraphs.

To your point in bold, I think it's more beneficial to invest premium capital in players who stay in the entire game & protect arguably the most important person on the field versus players who rotate every series. If I were running this team, I would be picking rotation players, such as Gracen Halton, in the exact round he was found, the mid to late rounds.

I definitely think we need to change our way of thinking because it hasn't really worked out.

Sometimes it feels like the team expects another Trent Williams situation to come along with how easily we replaced Joe Staley when he was ready to retire. That's obviously an insane way of thinking since that was a once in a lifetime type of trade.

I definitely understand not being able to land the type of prospect who can become another Trent Williams(tho in hindsight Penei Sewell was available for us) but doesn't mean we should stop trying to add guys - even if it's at G/C and at least make the interior OL a strength while we look for the special talent to develop at OT or even see if we can swing a trade for a proven guy(or what we think is under developed one)

I understand you can only make the moves available to you each offseason but the fact that we don't have a real answer at LG after that being one of the most glaring holes on the team along with safety(another spot where we can't say we really improved) not great...

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Misfires:

Solomon Thomas, Reuben Foster, Javon Kinlaw, Trey Lance.

Not good enough to make it pass their rookie contracts:

Mike McGlinchey, Brandon Aiyuk - earned a second contract but was a b***h about it and beyond

Seriously f**k the picks and make some damn trades!!!

I disagree on McGlinchey. The 49ers wanted to keep him but Denver offered more money than Parage was willing to pay.

This past season, McGlinchey was very good for Denver. Ranked #18 among all tackles. He has had 8 seasons as a solid starter in the league.