John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Because there are people (like you) who use "2x Super Bowl loser" when describing Shanahan like it's more of a negative to be an anytime Super Bowl loser as opposed to never making the Super Bowl.

Your side started this argument. Sorry. Maybe you should tell your boy Sask49erFan to not make ridiculous comments because that's why I made mine.

It's dumb as s**t. If the "mentally" is if you don't win a SB you blow, then 99% of sports teams blow every yr.

Firing a guy who's taken a team to multiple SBs, NFCCs and the playoffs on the reg is what emotional dummies do…if they start their debate with "I'm emotional" then I get it. They don't get to label their debate as rational/logical.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Because there are people (like you) who use "2x Super Bowl loser" when describing Shanahan like it's more of a negative to be an anytime Super Bowl loser as opposed to never making the Super Bowl.

Your side started this argument. Sorry. Maybe you should tell your boy Sask49erFan to not make ridiculous comments because that's why I made mine.

It's dumb as s**t. If the "mentally" is if you don't win a SB you blow, then 99% of sports teams blow every yr.

Firing a guy who's taken a team to multiple SBs, NFCCs and the playoffs on the reg is what emotional dummies do…if they start their debate with "I'm emotional" then I get it. They don't get to label their debate as rational/logical.

These people's logic is even worse than that.

Their logic is this:

Would you rather go to three Super Bowls in a row, lose the first two and then win the third?

or

Miss the playoffs three years in a row?

These people would take the latter, because in their extremely bizarre logic, losing in the Super Bowl magically counts as -1 Super Bowl win.

I can at least respectfully disagree with the logic of "1 team wins the Super Bowl and 31 don't, the end" but that's not what these people are even arguing. They're arguing it's WORSE to lose the Super Bowl than never get there.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by genus49:
Wasn't just the Stafford trade. They lucked into getting Von Miller on that "aging vet wants to go to a winning team special" and then Browns(what is it with this friggin team!!) cut OBJ and of course he signed with them.

But once again. We were in the exact position the Rams were in 2021 and had every chance to finish with the Lombardi but 2 key injuries, some brutal turnover luck and decisions stopped it from happening. Jed had the right team in place, they just didn't close it out. And I can guarantee had the refs favored us the way they did the Rams in their SB, we win.

Just trash luck on our part but you can't point to the Rams doing something so different from us. If we're being real had we not been as banged up as we were we're playing in that SB. Not to mention I don't know if that Rams team would've done well playing in the freezing temps of Lambeau had we not knocked out the #1 seed for them. Oh yeah and F Tartt!

Hopefully this year we don't help them out...

Yes you can. How many first round picks have we traded away for established All-Pros?

The Rams definitely wouldn't be sitting quietly on the most cap room in the league like we are.

Why does it have to be first round picks?

You realize Rams didn't trade any first round picks for established All Pros that were the main reason they won that SB right? The Rams DID sit quietly on the most cap room when they didn't have a team they felt could be favored to win it all.

Stop acting like Stafford doesn't exist

How many All Pros did Stafford have when the Rams traded for him? 49ers tried to trade for Aaron Rodgers...actually someone who had All Pros but the Packers didn't want to do the deal. They tried to trade for Khalil Mack and actually offered more than Bears gave the Raiders but Davis didn't want to trade Mack to the 49ers.

So what exactly was your point other than after the Rams traded for Stafford and made a bunch of other moves and still got lucky with a few things they won a SB and we didn't?

Your argument is so weak you have to make the league MVP and a Super Bowl win seem like they didn't happen or were just coincidental.

Do better.

You made a comment that wasn't accurate and you think I need to do better?

Matt Stafford was not an All Pro player let alone an MVP when the Rams traded for him which means your post was incorrect.

Whatever happened after that doesn't change that reality. Hope that helps.

Now I've already talked about the minor differences in the SBs that went in the Rams favor so they're SB champs and against us so we're not.

This is why playing this stupid "Rams want to win but the 49ers don't" type of game is ridiculously stupid.

The front office had the team competing for SBs in several seasons. In two SBs things that had nothing to do with personnel decisions cost us the game. Literally more favorable officiating with everything else being the same gets us 2 Lombardis.

So pretending the Rams are out here doing some magical stuff while this regime doesn't want to win is just silly.

I didn't make ANY inaccurate statements. YOU made the inaccurate statements.

I did not say Stafford was an All-Pro before he was traded to the Rams.

However, your statement, "You realize Rams didn't trade any first round picks for established All Pros that were the main reason they won that SB right?" is incorrect because of Jalen Ramsey and Von Miller. Did you forget about that? Did you not even bother to look it up? You're a moderator, basic fact checking is a low bar. That's why you need to do better.

The second part of your statement about the Rams sitting on their cap room is what drew out the Stafford comment. Not only did they give Goff the richest QB contract at the time, they then traded him for Stafford who they paid even more per year. This most recent extension will make Stafford the highest paid QB ever if the Rams win the Superbowl. So no, they aren't sitting on their cap room.

You also said, "In two SBs things that had nothing to do with personnel decisions cost us the game." -- I think we can all agree that different personnel decisions in the draft (Trey Lance, Kinlaw, Jake Moody etc) and in FA (DeFo vs Hargrave for instance) might have resulted in a different outcome. So at best, your opinion that those things wouldn't have changed the game is a bad one at best.

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So once, again the 49ers aren't out to pay top dollar/high draft picks for top talent in their prime like the Rams did for Garrett, Stafford, McDuffie, and Ramsey. They try to get talent at a discount like they did with Mike Evans, CMC, Trent Williams etc.

So yes, the Rams are doing things quite a bit different than the 49ers.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Because there are people (like you) who use "2x Super Bowl loser" when describing Shanahan like it's more of a negative to be an anytime Super Bowl loser as opposed to never making the Super Bowl.

Your side started this argument. Sorry. Maybe you should tell your boy Sask49erFan to not make ridiculous comments because that's why I made mine.

It's dumb as s**t. If the "mentally" is if you don't win a SB you blow, then 99% of sports teams blow every yr.

Firing a guy who's taken a team to multiple SBs, NFCCs and the playoffs on the reg is what emotional dummies do…if they start their debate with "I'm emotional" then I get it. They don't get to label their debate as rational/logical.

These people's logic is even worse than that.

Their logic is this:

Would you rather go to three Super Bowls in a row, lose the first two and then win the third?

or

Miss the playoffs three years in a row?

These people would take the latter, because in their extremely bizarre logic, losing in the Super Bowl magically counts as -1 Super Bowl win.

I can at least respectfully disagree with the logic of "1 team wins the Super Bowl and 31 don't, the end" but that's not what these people are even arguing. They're arguing it's WORSE to lose the Super Bowl than never get there.

I hear you. Losing Superbowls hurts so bad. These people just have PTSD. I don't blame them either. The last 3 loses have felt like 9/11 happened on Christmas morning.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Oh boo hoo…that's more than 90% of the teams in the league over the years.

quit pretending this team sucks and aren't consistently one of the best teams in football who always has a legit shot to win it all every yr.

And how many of those teams got rid of their coach and front office?

Baltimore got rid of Harbaugh and they had a legit shot every year for a longer period than Shanahan / Lynch but the difference is he won a Super Bowl.

A legit chance and actually winning are two very different things.

They got rid of Harbaugh because he's had an actual elite QB and a dominant defense for 6 of the last 7 years and they had just 3 playoff wins those seasons.

Which was better than any other coach we've had since Seifert.

Harbaugh brought the 49ers glory days back.

Who was this elite QB you speak of? Kaep or Alex Smith?

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
These people's logic is even worse than that.

Their logic is this:

Would you rather go to three Super Bowls in a row, lose the first two and then win the third?

or

Miss the playoffs three years in a row?

These people would take the latter, because in their extremely bizarre logic, losing in the Super Bowl magically counts as -1 Super Bowl win.

I can at least respectfully disagree with the logic of "1 team wins the Super Bowl and 31 don't, the end" but that's not what these people are even arguing. They're arguing it's WORSE to lose the Super Bowl than never get there.

It's dumb as s**t.

Hypothetical. Kyle gets fired, Andy Reid or Payne retire, Kyle takes one of those jobs and wins a SB…all of sudden he's a great HC? None of the s**t he did in SF equates to being a good HC?

No one can tell me Bruce Arians, Doug Peterson, Barry Switzer, Brian Billick, Nick Sirianni, Mike McCarthy etc are better HCs than Kyle.

I get the idea of winning a SB, it's not like Kyle hasn't been knocking on that door repeatedly. He wins ONE game (ball bounces one way differently/better thrown ball etc) this discussion goes from he should be fired to he's untouchable for the next 20 yrs. It's silly and emotional.

Originally posted by All22:
Which was better than any other coach we've had since Seifert.

Harbaugh brought the 49ers glory days back.

Who was this elite QB you speak of? Kaep or Alex Smith?

He's referencing the older Harbro.

He had Lamar Jackson.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by All22:
Which was better than any other coach we've had since Seifert.

Harbaugh brought the 49ers glory days back.

Who was this elite QB you speak of? Kaep or Alex Smith?

He's referencing the older Harbro.

He had Lamar Jackson.

Ah, ok. That makes sense.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Is it time to reconsider a trade for Maxx Crosby? Ravens' had agreed to trade two firsts for him. Would a 2027 first and a 2028 second or third be enough to get on the 49ers now? Would he be worth that? He's 28.

I would 100% do this. He's basically signed on a very reasonable contract for the remainder of his prime ($29M a year for 4 years when he's 32).

And the pressure wouldn't be on us for him to pass his physical. If he fails it the whole league would just be like "oh so he's cooked lol" instead of insisting we got cold feet.

"Is it time to reconsider a trade for Maxx Crosby?"

why? because the rams have traded for Garrett?
that's a damn good acquisition for them (and put it quite more difficult, but not impossible, to beat them and surpass them for the NFC West) but I don't think we should just mirror what they do

I think we already have an excellent DL,... Bosa will be back for the beginning of the training camp, Williams during it, like White,... and the 3 of them are expectd to be ready for week1,... both Height and Halton are pointing in the right direction and, though yet too early, seem to be what the team was expecting when they were drafted,... Osa could end up being one of the best FA acquisitions of late,... he's already a leader and will adress one of the most glaring deficiencies of this DL last season, the interior pass-rush,...

Edge: Bosa, Williams, Height, White, Sam O
DL: Osa, Collins, West, Halton

I would say that it could end up being a top3 DL,... so investing more resources on it seems like a little bit a redundance and a waste of them,... let alone investing "a 2027 first and a 2028 second" plus "$29M a year for 4 years"

there are IMO quite more glaring needs in this team if we want to compete with the Rams and Seattle next season,... the most important one, after not adressing it nor in FA nor in the draft, still is a Free Safety who's not burnt in coverage,... Ashtyn Davis is just a backup and special teams player

but Antonio Johnson is in the last year of his rookie contract (2023 5th round) and Jackx has already drafted a couple of safeties in the 3rd round this year and the previous one,... his PFF coverage grade of 88.4 ranked 1st among 98 qualified safeties last season,... he got 5 interceptions and 3 passes broken up in just 9 games,... allowed a passer rating of only 55,5, one of the bests
he would be a real improvement

Originally posted by replikante:
"Is it time to reconsider a trade for Maxx Crosby?"

why? because the rams have traded for Garrett?
that's a damn good acquisition for them (and put it quite more difficult, but not impossible, to beat them and surpass them for the NFC West) but I don't think we should just mirror what they do

I think we already have an excellent DL,... Bosa will be back for the beginning of the training camp, Williams during it, like White,... and the 3 of them are expectd to be ready for week1,... both Height and Halton are pointing in the right direction and, though yet too early, seem to be what the team was expecting when they were drafted,... Osa could end up being one of the best FA acquisitions of late,... he's already a leader and will adress one of the most glaring deficiencies of this DL last season, the interior pass-rush,...

Edge: Bosa, Williams, Height, White, Sam O
DL: Osa, Collins, West, Halton

I would say that it could end up being a top3 DL,... so investing more resources on it seems like a little bit a redundance and a waste of them,... let alone investing "a 2027 first and a 2028 second" plus "$29M a year for 4 years"

there are IMO quite more glaring needs in this team if we want to compete with the Rams and Seattle next season,... the most important one, after not adressing it nor in FA nor in the draft, still is a Free Safety who's not burnt in coverage,... Ashtyn Davis is just a backup and special teams player

but Antonio Johnson is in the last year of his rookie contract (2023 5th round) and Jackx has already drafted a couple of safeties in the 3rd round this year and the previous one,... his PFF coverage grade of 88.4 ranked 1st among 98 qualified safeties last season,... he got 5 interceptions and 3 passes broken up in just 9 games,... allowed a passer rating of only 55,5, one of the bests
he would be a real improvement

Safety over pass rush? That's absurd. One can never have enough pass rush there's never a reason to prioritize safety over pass rush

Originally posted by replikante:
"Is it time to reconsider a trade for Maxx Crosby?"

why? because the rams have traded for Garrett?
that's a damn good acquisition for them (and put it quite more difficult, but not impossible, to beat them and surpass them for the NFC West) but I don't think we should just mirror what they do

I think we already have an excellent DL,... Bosa will be back for the beginning of the training camp, Williams during it, like White,... and the 3 of them are expectd to be ready for week1,... both Height and Halton are pointing in the right direction and, though yet too early, seem to be what the team was expecting when they were drafted,... Osa could end up being one of the best FA acquisitions of late,... he's already a leader and will adress one of the most glaring deficiencies of this DL last season, the interior pass-rush,...

Edge: Bosa, Williams, Height, White, Sam O
DL: Osa, Collins, West, Halton

I would say that it could end up being a top3 DL,... so investing more resources on it seems like a little bit a redundance and a waste of them,... let alone investing "a 2027 first and a 2028 second" plus "$29M a year for 4 years"

there are IMO quite more glaring needs in this team if we want to compete with the Rams and Seattle next season,... the most important one, after not adressing it nor in FA nor in the draft, still is a Free Safety who's not burnt in coverage,... Ashtyn Davis is just a backup and special teams player

but Antonio Johnson is in the last year of his rookie contract (2023 5th round) and Jackx has already drafted a couple of safeties in the 3rd round this year and the previous one,... his PFF coverage grade of 88.4 ranked 1st among 98 qualified safeties last season,... he got 5 interceptions and 3 passes broken up in just 9 games,... allowed a passer rating of only 55,5, one of the bests
he would be a real improvement

Why does anybody put faith into a bunch of players that are regularly on IR? It gets old hearing "If we didn't have so many injuries we would have... blah blah blah" We need players that can stay on the field and earn those huge contracts.

Originally posted by Philippines_49er:
Why does anybody put faith into a bunch of players that are regularly on IR? It gets old hearing "If we didn't have so many injuries we would have... blah blah blah" We need players that can stay on the field and earn those huge contracts.

sorry,.... quick writting,.... should have put:

"he got 5 interceptions and 3 passes broken up in just 9 games starting (660 snaps)"

played 17 games in 2025, 17 games in 2024 (8 starts) and 13 games in 2023 (3 starts),... just missed 4 games from 51
and it wouldn't be a huge contract,... just last year of a 5th round rookie contract

And what about Bosa, Williams, Greenlaw, Warner,, Kittle, CMC, Williams, etc. With the amount of players games lost to injuries in recent years, it's difficult to be confident that things will be any better this coming season.

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by genus49:
Wasn't just the Stafford trade. They lucked into getting Von Miller on that "aging vet wants to go to a winning team special" and then Browns(what is it with this friggin team!!) cut OBJ and of course he signed with them.

But once again. We were in the exact position the Rams were in 2021 and had every chance to finish with the Lombardi but 2 key injuries, some brutal turnover luck and decisions stopped it from happening. Jed had the right team in place, they just didn't close it out. And I can guarantee had the refs favored us the way they did the Rams in their SB, we win.

Just trash luck on our part but you can't point to the Rams doing something so different from us. If we're being real had we not been as banged up as we were we're playing in that SB. Not to mention I don't know if that Rams team would've done well playing in the freezing temps of Lambeau had we not knocked out the #1 seed for them. Oh yeah and F Tartt!

Hopefully this year we don't help them out...

Yes you can. How many first round picks have we traded away for established All-Pros?

The Rams definitely wouldn't be sitting quietly on the most cap room in the league like we are.

Why does it have to be first round picks?

You realize Rams didn't trade any first round picks for established All Pros that were the main reason they won that SB right? The Rams DID sit quietly on the most cap room when they didn't have a team they felt could be favored to win it all.

Stop acting like Stafford doesn't exist

How many All Pros did Stafford have when the Rams traded for him? 49ers tried to trade for Aaron Rodgers...actually someone who had All Pros but the Packers didn't want to do the deal. They tried to trade for Khalil Mack and actually offered more than Bears gave the Raiders but Davis didn't want to trade Mack to the 49ers.

So what exactly was your point other than after the Rams traded for Stafford and made a bunch of other moves and still got lucky with a few things they won a SB and we didn't?

Your argument is so weak you have to make the league MVP and a Super Bowl win seem like they didn't happen or were just coincidental.

Do better.

You made a comment that wasn't accurate and you think I need to do better?

Matt Stafford was not an All Pro player let alone an MVP when the Rams traded for him which means your post was incorrect.

Whatever happened after that doesn't change that reality. Hope that helps.

Now I've already talked about the minor differences in the SBs that went in the Rams favor so they're SB champs and against us so we're not.

This is why playing this stupid "Rams want to win but the 49ers don't" type of game is ridiculously stupid.

The front office had the team competing for SBs in several seasons. In two SBs things that had nothing to do with personnel decisions cost us the game. Literally more favorable officiating with everything else being the same gets us 2 Lombardis.

So pretending the Rams are out here doing some magical stuff while this regime doesn't want to win is just silly.

I didn't make ANY inaccurate statements. YOU made the inaccurate statements.

I did not say Stafford was an All-Pro before he was traded to the Rams.

However, your statement, "You realize Rams didn't trade any first round picks for established All Pros that were the main reason they won that SB right?" is incorrect because of Jalen Ramsey and Von Miller. Did you forget about that? Did you not even bother to look it up? You're a moderator, basic fact checking is a low bar. That's why you need to do better.

The second part of your statement about the Rams sitting on their cap room is what drew out the Stafford comment. Not only did they give Goff the richest QB contract at the time, they then traded him for Stafford who they paid even more per year. This most recent extension will make Stafford the highest paid QB ever if the Rams win the Superbowl. So no, they aren't sitting on their cap room.

You also said, "In two SBs things that had nothing to do with personnel decisions cost us the game." -- I think we can all agree that different personnel decisions in the draft (Trey Lance, Kinlaw, Jake Moody etc) and in FA (DeFo vs Hargrave for instance) might have resulted in a different outcome. So at best, your opinion that those things wouldn't have changed the game is a bad one at best.

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So once, again the 49ers aren't out to pay top dollar/high draft picks for top talent in their prime like the Rams did for Garrett, Stafford, McDuffie, and Ramsey. They try to get talent at a discount like they did with Mike Evans, CMC, Trent Williams etc.

So yes, the Rams are doing things quite a bit different than the 49ers.

I'm sorry but your takes are all over the place.

Jalen Ramsey was not the main reason why they won the SB considering he was on the team for several years before they won. Von Miller wasn't the main reason either, nor did he cost them a first round in a trade.

So yes your post was inaccurate and stupid at the same time. Why does a team have to trade first rounders for it to be a smart trade that helps them get better?

All that other stuff also doesn't matter. You can make hindsight personnel moves for every team to make them better. 49ers even with those bad moves were in 2 SBs where they had leads. Literally better officiating gives us 2 wins. The regime you and others are putting down and acting like Rams are so much better had us in those games where we win with the favorable officiating the Rams got.

That's not really debatable. Some of you all are acting like we've been the Cardinals for crying out loud. Yes in the end we didn't win the SB but front office did their job. They put a team together who made the Championship and had it where we should've won. They can't make the plays for the players and they can't control officiating.

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Oh boo hoo…that's more than 90% of the teams in the league over the years.

quit pretending this team sucks and aren't consistently one of the best teams in football who always has a legit shot to win it all every yr.

And how many of those teams got rid of their coach and front office?

Baltimore got rid of Harbaugh and they had a legit shot every year for a longer period than Shanahan / Lynch but the difference is he won a Super Bowl.

A legit chance and actually winning are two very different things.

They got rid of Harbaugh because he's had an actual elite QB and a dominant defense for 6 of the last 7 years and they had just 3 playoff wins those seasons.

Which was better than any other coach we've had since Seifert.

Harbaugh brought the 49ers glory days back.

Who was this elite QB you speak of? Kaep or Alex Smith?

My god man do you even read the conversation before replying?