John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by MBNINER90266:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Once again Lynch and Shanny are bridesmaids.

We just watched Seattle win a SB in our stadium and now we watched LA get the best player in the game.

They aggressively got Stafford which lead to a SB and now they have the best team in the league with Garrett. Throw Garrett on that DLine? Good luck.

We can't score more than 6 points vs McDonald and Seattle and now the Rams have Garrett while we drafted a 3rd round receiver with the 33rd pick who won't see the field and a 5th round RB in round 3 who won't get touches over CMC.

Just brilliant roster building from these two geniuses. Nothing has changed with these guys.

-Take Solomon Thomas at 1.3
-Trade DeForest Buckner
-Draft Javon Kinlaw
-Trade 3- 1sts for Trey Lance
-Choose Jimmy G over Tom Brady
-Let the Rams trade for Stafford
-Draft 3 RB's in round 3/4 for 3 years in a row and two of them lasted a year
-Do it again this year with a guy ranked as a 5th round prospect
-Extend Aiuyk instead of trading him for a 2 and a player
-Never upgrade the Oline in a division with the Rams and Seahawks
-Multiple draft busts from rounds 1-3 every single year

It's absolutely mind blowing how these guys still have a job.

You feel better now that you got it out?

Feels like you missed a few moves there...

He's not wrong. It's just facts.

Context is everything.

Here...

-Take Solomon Thomas at 1.3 a move that was praised by virtually everyone at the time, including their trade down from #2 to acquire extra picks, one of which ended up being Fred Warner
-Trade DeForest Buckner They made a business decision given the salary cap and the needs to extend players like Kittle, Warner, Armstead, Deebo, Trent Williams + sign depth pieces
-Draft Javon Kinlaw Pick itself wasn't anything crazy. The issue was his health concerns should've had him off our board but he's still playing and starting in the NFL.
-Trade 3- 1sts for Trey Lance We all agree this is a terrible move
-Choose Jimmy G over Tom Brady They didn't chose Jimmy G over Tom Brady. They chose to stick with Jimmy G who was coming off a season he had the 49ers in the SB and turning 29, while Tom Brady was about to turn 43.
-Let the Rams trade for Stafford This is a straight up stupid take. How exactly do you want the 49ers to stop the Lions from trading with the Rams? Lions weren't even getting back to the 49ers. What do you want them to do hold them at gunpoint?
-Draft 3 RB's in round 3/4 for 3 years in a row and two of them lasted a year Ok
-Do it again this year with a guy ranked as a 5th round prospect Maybe we should wait to see how he looks first?
-Extend Aiuyk instead of trading him for a 2 and a player Aiyuk was a great player. It was the right decision to extend him. Nobody could predict he would get injured and then completely ghost the team
-Never upgrade the Oline in a division with the Rams and Seahawks Another lie. Just because you don't know the players they added or give them a chance to show what they can do doesn't mean they didn't upgrade the OL
-Multiple draft busts from rounds 1-3 every single year Another overreaction. Every team has draft busts in rounds 1-3. 49ers are no different.

Here are things he left out...
Tied for most All Pros drafted since taking over the team in 2017 with the Ravens
Drafted George Kittle in the 5th round
Drafted DJ Jones in the 6th round
Drafed Fred Warner in the 3rd round
Drafted DJ Reed in the 5th round
Drafted Dre Greenlaw in the 5th round
Drafted Colton McKivitz in the 5th round
Drafted Jauan Jennings in the 7th round
Drafted Lenoir and Hufanga in the 5th round
Drafted Brock Purdy in the 7th round

These are all elite, high level or better than solid starters in the later rounds.

Traded for Trent Williams, CMC, Laken Tomlinson - all critical pieces to our teams at the time they were on the roster. Trent and CMC absolutely elite level players.

Offered a better deal for Khalil Mack than Raiders took from Chicago. Tried to trade for Aaron Rodgers twice and got denied by the Packers.

That doesn't even include their smaller trades.

The last 3 drafts are still up in the air in terms of where they stand. We all get the Lance move and pick were terrible. The worst drafts we had were related to that selection. Stop getting all worked up to the point where you can't keep things straight.

I really hated the Thomas pick. We had Defo and Armstead and needed a QB.

I support Lynch because the team is strong but the Thomas and Kinlaw picks were terrible.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I really hated the Thomas pick. We had Defo and Armstead and needed a QB.

I support Lynch because the team is strong but the Thomas and Kinlaw picks were terrible.

I also hated both picks.

to be fair they are both still in the league and serviceable.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to even a hated opponent. Very nice move by the Rams.

Yeah, win some, lose some. Can't win 'em all. We'll see how this season shapes up, but I'm hoping our 2025 and 2026 drafts makes the difference and get us to the big dance this year and finally get that #6🏆. I enjoyed all 5 🏆's, and I'll enjoy the 6th 🏆 too!

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I really hated the Thomas pick. We had Defo and Armstead and needed a QB.

I support Lynch because the team is strong but the Thomas and Kinlaw picks were terrible.

I understand some people thinking that we were investing too much in the DL but with Armstead and Defo we were a historically awful run D and worst defense in the league.

The issue was Thomas never worked out how many of us saw him being which was our version of Michael Bennett for Seattle. I do think Thomas' career with us would've gone a bit differently if not for the tragic passing of his sister heading into year 2.

Kinlaw was also talented and got a lot of hype after the senior bowl but we clearly didn't take his medical seriously enough. I wasn't a fan of that pick though to be fair I was all in on Henry Ruggs for us.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to even a hated opponent. Very nice move by the Rams.

Yeah, win some, lose some. Can't win 'em all. We'll see how this season shapes up, but I'm hoping our 2025 and 2026 drafts makes the difference and get us to the big dance this year and finally get that #6🏆. I enjoyed all 5 🏆's, and I'll enjoy the 6th 🏆 too!

I think we're probably another good draft and FA period away from the SB. The past two offseasons have been encouraging, but there are still positions that need upgrading. Missing Kittle for the majority of the season will set the running game back. I think we make the playoffs, but exit in the divisional round again. I want to be wrong though.

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I really hated the Thomas pick. We had Defo and Armstead and needed a QB.

I support Lynch because the team is strong but the Thomas and Kinlaw picks were terrible.

I also hated both picks.

to be fair they are both still in the league and serviceable.

Thomas was considereda top prospect when they selected him. It's not like he was a reach. He was a similar player to Aaron Donald in size and style of play. He played inside and outside in college but never really found a position in ther NFL

Kinlaw was a physical specimen that had an injury when they drfted him. He struggled to get on the field and his development was set back. Another example of a player that had the potential but never reached it.

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Jessie Bates, Kayvon Thibodeaux and we are off to the races!!!!

Even though a Kevin Zeitler and Joel Bitonio signing would get me all giggly inside. I'm content with Robert Jones starting.

You don't know anything about Robert Jones don't you?

He was absolute hot garbage with Miami......the same system Shanahan runs. Absolute hot garbage. I'd even argue that Burford as bas as he is is better than Robert freaking Jones.

I agree about trading for Jessie Bates tho because I've wanted that guy since he left Cincy.

What is hot garbage about him? I went back and watched him vs Christian Wilkins and he held his ground against him for the most part. He started all 17 games in 2024, if he was hot garbage like you said don't you think he might've been benched during the season?

not sure where he gets this, Dieter Kurtenbach says that Jones' tape with Miami is actually quite good, when he wasn't injured. It was good enough that Conor Riley, O-line coach for Dallas, and some say one of the best Oline coaches in the NFL, wanted Jones to start in Dallas, despite signing him with a neck injury.

I've seen some highlights where he was pulling and looked great. But his last season with Miami was his only one as a full time starter, and he graded at like a 58 overall. Rated like 59th out of 77 guards. So the numbers just don't look good. And the Cowboys didn't sign him with a neck injury. He injured it early in training camp.

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to even a hated opponent. Very nice move by the Rams.

Yeah, win some, lose some. Can't win 'em all. We'll see how this season shapes up, but I'm hoping our 2025 and 2026 drafts makes the difference and get us to the big dance this year and finally get that #6🏆. I enjoyed all 5 🏆's, and I'll enjoy the 6th 🏆 too!

I think we're probably another good draft and FA period away from the SB. The past two offseasons have been encouraging, but there are still positions that need upgrading. Missing Kittle for the majority of the season will set the running game back. I think we make the playoffs, but exit in the divisional round again. I want to be wrong though.

I agree, probably another offseason cycle away from a 🏆, but I like how (I think) they are approaching injuries. If you are going to have injuries year in and year out, then stock the roster with loaded young RAS athletes behind the starters -- that just need that in-game reps to get better (a la Brock Purdy). We all know the injury bug has already started biting (Guerendo). Without Guerendo, we'll see more Black and Jordan James. I'm glad they drafted a young and athletic RB (RAS score of 9.14) considering Guerendo's injury.

The two 2026 first round trade downs got us an extra 2nd, 3rd, and 5th rounder and I hope they do something similar in 2027. We both think the 49ers are going to be drafting in the high twenties again like this year - and will be out of the money for the blue chip players that usually go round 1, Pick 1 to 15. But they have a shot at getting more 2nd tier players by trading down and solidifying a lot of positions for next year (and to sacrifice to the football injury gods).

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Thomas was considereda top prospect when they selected him. It's not like he was a reach. He was a similar player to Aaron Donald in size and style of play. He played inside and outside in college but never really found a position in ther NFL

Kinlaw was a physical specimen that had an injury when they drfted him. He struggled to get on the field and his development was set back. Another example of a player that had the potential but never reached it.

The Trey Lance deal still chaps my hide. With no trade downs we get Mac Jones, and (assuming) we have the same record as if Brock played instead of Mac in 2022, we'd have had a shot at George Karlafis and Boye Mafis in the 2022 draft. In 2023 we'd have had a shot at Dalton Kincaid, Tuli Tuipulotu, Brian Branch. I think we'd be going in much stronger against KC in 2023 if we just had more defensive depth. Oh well.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to even a hated opponent. Very nice move by the Rams.

Yeah, win some, lose some. Can't win 'em all. We'll see how this season shapes up, but I'm hoping our 2025 and 2026 drafts makes the difference and get us to the big dance this year and finally get that #6🏆. I enjoyed all 5 🏆's, and I'll enjoy the 6th 🏆 too!

I think we're probably another good draft and FA period away from the SB. The past two offseasons have been encouraging, but there are still positions that need upgrading. Missing Kittle for the majority of the season will set the running game back. I think we make the playoffs, but exit in the divisional round again. I want to be wrong though.

I agree, probably another offseason cycle away from a 🏆, but I like how (I think) they are approaching injuries. If you are going to have injuries year in and year out, then stock the roster with loaded young RAS athletes behind the starters -- that just need that in-game reps to get better (a la Brock Purdy). We all know the injury bug has already started biting (Guerendo). Without Guerendo, we'll see more Black and Jordan James. I'm glad they drafted a young and athletic RB (RAS score of 9.14) considering Guerendo's injury.

The two 2026 first round trade downs got us an extra 2nd, 3rd, and 5th rounder and I hope they do something similar in 2027. We both think the 49ers are going to be drafting in the high twenties again like this year - and will be out of the money for the blue chip players that usually go round 1, Pick 1 to 15. But they have a shot at getting more 2nd tier players by trading down and solidifying a lot of positions for next year (and to sacrifice to the football injury gods).

Like I keep reminding people...Rams are in a different timeline than we are.

I find it funny that some of the most vocal fans, claiming last year's record wasn't because of the players/coaching we had but more because of the schedule, are the same ones most vocal about how the 49ers should've made the Garrett trade.

Forget the fact that it requires Cleveland to want what we're able to offer. Forget the fact that you yourselves felt this team isn't as close to being a major threat for a SB run...

What we badly need is for this 2026 draft class to be like the Seahawks 2012 one. A class that was hated by most people but ended up being the foundation for their SB run. And really we have a chance for 3 classes in 2024, 2025 and 2026 to do what happened for Seattle.

2010 they brought in Okung, Earl Thomas, Golden Tate, Kam Chancellor(damn...)
2011 they brought in KJ Wright, Sherm, Byron Maxwell and Malcolm Smith
2012 as mentioned was the key with Bobby Wager, Russell Wilson and Bruce Irvin.

We lucked into our Russell Wilson in 2022 but need these last 3 drafts to come together and produce big results.

But back to the Rams making their move, it's not even about having the SB at their house. That's just a coincidence. They really were the SB favorites last year and Seattle stole it from them with that fluke 2 point conversion. They went out and added 2 vet corners already buttoning up their biggest weakness last year. Adding Garrett is a no brainer really. Verse was good but Garrett is a game changer. Makes it that much easier for their secondary now. It will be tough to beat them.

Meanwhile while we had a nice season especially given our injuries we still have too many unknowns. Partly on how guys will come back from those injuries and when. The Australia game makes it less likely Bosa, Mykel and Kittle will be back for week 1. Who knows about week 2+. Our safeties are still a big question mark and the hope is a better front 7 helps but that's still a big question mark. We added players on the OL but we haven't seen them play for us yet. Way too many questions to go after a guy like Garrett especially the cost it would take for us without a player like Verse to build a trade package around.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Thomas was considereda top prospect when they selected him. It's not like he was a reach. He was a similar player to Aaron Donald in size and style of play. He played inside and outside in college but never really found a position in ther NFL

Kinlaw was a physical specimen that had an injury when they drfted him. He struggled to get on the field and his development was set back. Another example of a player that had the potential but never reached it.

The Trey Lance deal still chaps my hide. With no trade downs we get Mac Jones, and (assuming) we have the same record as if Brock played instead of Mac in 2022, we'd have had a shot at George Karlafis and Boye Mafis in the 2022 draft. In 2023 we'd have had a shot at Dalton Kincaid, Tuli Tuipulotu, Brian Branch. I think we'd be going in much stronger against KC in 2023 if we just had more defensive depth. Oh well.

Yeah...it's really painful to think back to that move. I'll admit I loved it at the time but I thought for sure we were going to grab Justin Fields who to me was the more sure thing(another whiff by me)

But in hindsight it just felt off. Making the trade so ahead of the draft just so you can dig into QBs without tipping your move is stupid. And of course our luck we decide to do it in a year where it was way harder to evaluate players cuz of covid. The fact that we tried to trade for Aaron Rodgers right before the draft also didn't give me the warm and fuzzies.

Still wonder what happens if Trey doesn't break his leg but obviously very happy we found Purdy. A miss that bad usually dooms the front office.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to even a hated opponent. Very nice move by the Rams.

Yeah, win some, lose some. Can't win 'em all. We'll see how this season shapes up, but I'm hoping our 2025 and 2026 drafts makes the difference and get us to the big dance this year and finally get that #6🏆. I enjoyed all 5 🏆's, and I'll enjoy the 6th 🏆 too!

Pathetic organization run by pathetic, inept owners. Last trophy 1994. Brilliant at getting rich. GTFO

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Jessie Bates, Kayvon Thibodeaux and we are off to the races!!!!

Even though a Kevin Zeitler and Joel Bitonio signing would get me all giggly inside. I'm content with Robert Jones starting.

You don't know anything about Robert Jones don't you?

He was absolute hot garbage with Miami......the same system Shanahan runs. Absolute hot garbage. I'd even argue that Burford as bas as he is is better than Robert freaking Jones.

I agree about trading for Jessie Bates tho because I've wanted that guy since he left Cincy.

What is hot garbage about him? I went back and watched him vs Christian Wilkins and he held his ground against him for the most part. He started all 17 games in 2024, if he was hot garbage like you said don't you think he might've been benched during the season?

not sure where he gets this, Dieter Kurtenbach says that Jones' tape with Miami is actually quite good, when he wasn't injured. It was good enough that Conor Riley, O-line coach for Dallas, and some say one of the best Oline coaches in the NFL, wanted Jones to start in Dallas, despite signing him with a neck injury.

I've seen some highlights where he was pulling and looked great. But his last season with Miami was his only one as a full time starter, and he graded at like a 58 overall. Rated like 59th out of 77 guards. So the numbers just don't look good. And the Cowboys didn't sign him with a neck injury. He injured it early in training camp.

I don't really like ratings good or bad, because we all tend to form things towards are own opinions. I just like to go off of what other coaches saw and what I like about the player. If everyone based players off one person's ratings Jake Brendel wouldn't be on the team and I'd get my wish.



#65

Originally posted by socal1632:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to even a hated opponent. Very nice move by the Rams.

Yeah, win some, lose some. Can't win 'em all. We'll see how this season shapes up, but I'm hoping our 2025 and 2026 drafts makes the difference and get us to the big dance this year and finally get that #6🏆. I enjoyed all 5 🏆's, and I'll enjoy the 6th 🏆 too!

Pathetic organization run by pathetic, inept owners. Last trophy 1994. Brilliant at getting rich. GTFO

If you feel this a pathetic organization I wonder how you feel about most of the rest of the league? They've been far bettger than 905 of the league. They haven't won a title since 1995 but thye've been to 3 SBs and have been in position to win every one of them. A good break her or there or a couple different in game decisions and the Niners coud have won all 3. Not bad for a pathetic organization.

I wonder how all those fans of teams that haven't ever won a SB or even been to one feel. I bet they would trade places with the pathetic 49ers in a heartbeat.

Originally posted by socal1632:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to even a hated opponent. Very nice move by the Rams.

Yeah, win some, lose some. Can't win 'em all. We'll see how this season shapes up, but I'm hoping our 2025 and 2026 drafts makes the difference and get us to the big dance this year and finally get that #6🏆. I enjoyed all 5 🏆's, and I'll enjoy the 6th 🏆 too!

Pathetic organization run by pathetic, inept owners. Last trophy 1994. Brilliant at getting rich. GTFO

I don't think so...if you feel that way then maybe find another team to root for so you feel better?