John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Word. That's all you can do at this stage. My life motto is to be optimistic until the situation warrants a change in attitude. No one knows how these draftees will develop, so people panning the draft are just giving themselves a harder time than they need to.

Agree, I didn't know that the last pick in the draft would take us to the Superbowl. My hope is that ShanaLynch have used up all their bad luck last year and the only thing left is good luck for this year!

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
What are talking about? I never said anything about nobodies and he wasn't even the Offensive line coach here till 21.

How is you're response even remotely relevant to what you highlighted?

Clearly you have no examples of those "miracles" you claim he performed.

If you didn't know Foerster joined the 49ers in 2019, what else don't you know?

Since Foerster, 64, joined the staff in 2019, the 49ers have had 26 picks among the draft's top 130.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/49ers/article/nfl-draft-offensive-line-22214990.php

Not as the OL coach, he didn't become the OL coach till 21.

He wasn't even the assistant OL coach in 19.

There were non professional reasons for that. His ability wasnt in question by his peers

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Word. That's all you can do at this stage. My life motto is to be optimistic until the situation warrants a change in attitude. No one knows how these draftees will develop, so people panning the draft are just giving themselves a harder time than they need to.

Agree, I didn't know that the last pick in the draft would take us to the Superbowl. My hope is that ShanaLynch have used up all their bad luck last year and the only thing left is good luck for this year!

No sense in being mad about it now. I knew the consensus big boards vs NFL teams boards were gonna be vastly different. This was a pretty bad draft overall.

we will see!

I did a little deep dive into draft value since 2017 and came away a little surprised. I'm not defending Lynch by any means bc i thought this draft class sucked but getting a ton of value from a draft isn't a blueprint to win a lot of games. the draft truly is a crapshoot and rather you reach or get great draft value, most of these guys are not going to work out.

Since 2017 the teams with the most reaches:

SF - 26
SEA -25
LV - 24
JAX - 24
DET - 21
NE - 21
GB - 20
WAS - 19
MIN - 19
LAR - 19

vs the teams with the least amount of reaches

Buf - 9
NYJ - 10
CAR - 10
PHI - 11
DEN - 12
BAL - 12
CIN - 12
Mia - 13
Ten - 13
Ari - 13

There are good teams on both ends of the spectrum. IMO there are more complete teams (SF, SEA, Det, GB, LAR) in the teams that reach vs the teams that reach the least but i don't think it has anything to do with draft value. I guess my point is it doesn't seem like the end of the world to be a team that reaches a lot because you certainly aren't winning a lot if you reach the least.

__PRESENT

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
What are talking about? I never said anything about nobodies and he wasn't even the Offensive line coach here till 21.

How is you're response even remotely relevant to what you highlighted?

Clearly you have no examples of those "miracles" you claim he performed.

If you didn't know Foerster joined the 49ers in 2019, what else don't you know?

Since Foerster, 64, joined the staff in 2019, the 49ers have had 26 picks among the draft's top 130.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/49ers/article/nfl-draft-offensive-line-22214990.php

Not as the OL coach, he didn't become the OL coach till 21.

He wasn't even the assistant OL coach in 19.

There were non professional reasons for that. His ability wasnt in question by his peers

Originally posted by miked1978:
I did a little deep dive into draft value since 2017 and came away a little surprised. I'm not defending Lynch by any means bc i thought this draft class sucked but getting a ton of value from a draft isn't a blueprint to win a lot of games. the draft truly is a crapshoot and rather you reach or get great draft value, most of these guys are not going to work out.

Since 2017 the teams with the most reaches:

SF - 26
SEA -25
LV - 24
JAX - 24
DET - 21
NE - 21
GB - 20
WAS - 19
MIN - 19
LAR - 19

vs the teams with the least amount of reaches

Buf - 9
NYJ - 10
CAR - 10
PHI - 11
DEN - 12
BAL - 12
CIN - 12
Mia - 13
Ten - 13
Ari - 13

There are good teams on both ends of the spectrum. IMO there are more complete teams (SF, SEA, Det, GB, LAR) in the teams that reach vs the teams that reach the least but i don't think it has anything to do with draft value. I guess my point is it doesn't seem like the end of the world to be a team that reaches a lot because you certainly aren't winning a lot if you reach the least.

__PRESENT

I don't care if we win the super bowl with picks that are reaches or not, could care less about the consensus big board BS. We can win with free agents, trades, UDFA, or guys off the street.

Just win the fricken SUPER BOWL!!!

Originally posted by miked1978:
I did a little deep dive into draft value since 2017 and came away a little surprised. I'm not defending Lynch by any means bc i thought this draft class sucked but getting a ton of value from a draft isn't a blueprint to win a lot of games. the draft truly is a crapshoot and rather you reach or get great draft value, most of these guys are not going to work out.

Since 2017 the teams with the most reaches:

SF - 26
SEA -25
LV - 24
JAX - 24
DET - 21
NE - 21
GB - 20
WAS - 19
MIN - 19
LAR - 19

vs the teams with the least amount of reaches

Buf - 9
NYJ - 10
CAR - 10
PHI - 11
DEN - 12
BAL - 12
CIN - 12
Mia - 13
Ten - 13
Ari - 13

There are good teams on both ends of the spectrum. IMO there are more complete teams (SF, SEA, Det, GB, LAR) in the teams that reach vs the teams that reach the least but i don't think it has anything to do with draft value. I guess my point is it doesn't seem like the end of the world to be a team that reaches a lot because you certainly aren't winning a lot if you reach the least.

__PRESENT

If anything your list with the most reaches is the way to go, they have 9 Super Bowl appearances between them vs only 4 appearances with team who don't reach.

Originally posted by miked1978:
I did a little deep dive into draft value since 2017 and came away a little surprised. I'm not defending Lynch by any means bc i thought this draft class sucked but getting a ton of value from a draft isn't a blueprint to win a lot of games. the draft truly is a crapshoot and rather you reach or get great draft value, most of these guys are not going to work out.

Since 2017 the teams with the most reaches:

SF - 26
SEA -25
LV - 24
JAX - 24
DET - 21
NE - 21
GB - 20
WAS - 19
MIN - 19
LAR - 19

vs the teams with the least amount of reaches

Buf - 9
NYJ - 10
CAR - 10
PHI - 11
DEN - 12
BAL - 12
CIN - 12
Mia - 13
Ten - 13
Ari - 13

There are good teams on both ends of the spectrum. IMO there are more complete teams (SF, SEA, Det, GB, LAR) in the teams that reach vs the teams that reach the least but i don't think it has anything to do with draft value. I guess my point is it doesn't seem like the end of the world to be a team that reaches a lot because you certainly aren't winning a lot if you reach the least.

__PRESENT

Basically, the reach stuff is overblown. I don't care if they reach compared to the consensus, just draft good players. If the players they're drafting aren't succeeding, then it's important they self-evaluate to figure out why each of those players ultimately haven't worked out.

I don't think it would be good for them to ever disregard the opinions of their scouts, coaches, and personnel guys just because their opinion on a player doesn't match the consensus.

Originally posted by miked1978:
I did a little deep dive into draft value since 2017 and came away a little surprised. I'm not defending Lynch by any means bc i thought this draft class sucked but getting a ton of value from a draft isn't a blueprint to win a lot of games. the draft truly is a crapshoot and rather you reach or get great draft value, most of these guys are not going to work out.

Since 2017 the teams with the most reaches:

SF - 26
SEA -25
LV - 24
JAX - 24
DET - 21
NE - 21
GB - 20
WAS - 19
MIN - 19
LAR - 19

vs the teams with the least amount of reaches

Buf - 9
NYJ - 10
CAR - 10
PHI - 11
DEN - 12
BAL - 12
CIN - 12
Mia - 13
Ten - 13
Ari - 13

There are good teams on both ends of the spectrum. IMO there are more complete teams (SF, SEA, Det, GB, LAR) in the teams that reach vs the teams that reach the least but i don't think it has anything to do with draft value. I guess my point is it doesn't seem like the end of the world to be a team that reaches a lot because you certainly aren't winning a lot if you reach the least.

__PRESENT

Those good teams at the top have to reach more because they aren't drafting in the top 10-15 where the real prime talent usually is. It's amazing how he drft is streuctured so the bad teams get to pick the best player so they can improve their teams. That's the theory but look at how many of those teams are drafting high every year without getting better. That shows how much coaching and team chemistry come inrto play.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Word. That's all you can do at this stage. My life motto is to be optimistic until the situation warrants a change in attitude. No one knows how these draftees will develop, so people panning the draft are just giving themselves a harder time than they need to.

Agree, I didn't know that the last pick in the draft would take us to the Superbowl. My hope is that ShanaLynch have used up all their bad luck last year and the only thing left is good luck for this year!

No sense in being mad about it now. I knew the consensus big boards vs NFL teams boards were gonna be vastly different. This was a pretty bad draft overall.

we will see!

The irony is I actually like some of the players we drafted. I understand the fit the team was going for, but I hate the value we took lots of the players at. I thought there were better players at most of the selections and needs could have been addressed more adequately. Your right though. No sense in being mad now. What's done is done and we have to hope these players can help the team win.

"Eagles assistant GM Alec Halaby stepping away from role"
Go get him Jed.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Basically, the reach stuff is overblown. I don't care if they reach compared to the consensus, just draft good players. If the players they're drafting aren't succeeding, then it's important they self-evaluate to figure out why each of those players ultimately haven't worked out.

I don't think it would be good for them to ever disregard the opinions of their scouts, coaches, and personnel guys just because their opinion on a player doesn't match the consensus.

there is no such thing as a "reach" - Its someones opinion.

The consensus is created by pundits which with all due respect have terrible track records.

We have all seen consensus picks completely bust in the NFL.

Originally posted by GNS1310:
"Eagles assistant GM Alec Halaby stepping away from role"
Go get him Jed.

Would def be a shift in draft strategy. Read about him last year, rose mans right hand man

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by GNS1310:
"Eagles assistant GM Alec Halaby stepping away from role"
Go get him Jed.

Would def be a shift in draft strategy. Read about him last year, rose mans right hand man

Why he "stepping away"?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
No sense in being mad about it now. I knew the consensus big boards vs NFL teams boards were gonna be vastly different. This was a pretty bad draft overall.

we will see!

Agree

I'll take you back to your draft analysis of 2018 and 2019 drafts, if i recall correctly - you were spot on with your analysis of Brian Burns and Montez Sweat. Both are all-pro. I really did a bit of studying DE's - myself - on both those years because we were so desperate for pass rush help. I think you had good grades on both, if I remember well.