John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Jimmy doesn't get a pass because if his injuries. If he is that self centered to put himself before the team rather than admit he could not play the position at a high enough level to win the game than he deserves the critism all the same.

Oh I'm not giving him a pass. I'm saying it just made it easier to cement the game plan. I think he was most effected by it on the move so if you can stack the box and run blitz on early Kyle run downs, you're going to put some serious stress on that offense on 2nd and 3rd downs!

Now, if we had the Mostert running game against GB or even the Chiefs from the Superbowl, they'd be in big trouble. But we just didn't have the same run game. Williams was so badly injured, Brunskill and Compton are , Mack was getting out-muscled, Kittle was banged up, Mitchell eventually needed surgery, we had RB's in off the streets, taking Deebo out as a WR to be our RB played into their run blitzing and not needing to worry about much else, etc.

Mostert is not here, he is not coming back. If Trey can prove to be as affective in the short passing game as Jimmy while hitting those deeper and outside routes, teams will no longer be able to lockdown one area of the field and expect to beat us just like the rams did. While I don't believe our offense will ever reach 600 pass attempts in a single season, I do believe we will see more 30-40 pass attempt games. It is every play-callers dreams to be able to dominate in both run and pass, depending on what the defense is trying to stop.

For sure. That's definitely the idea...similar efficiency on the low volume passes but more explosives added on and off schedule with both his legs and arm. And the ability to consistently attack outside the hashes is really important too. That's the goal! From a skill set perspective, he just gives you a few more tools. But he's got to learn the QB part first. If he puts it all together consistently, look out!!!

You bring up a great point. I know Gore and I have had some philosophical discussions on this topic as well.

But maybe in our PYMWYMI thread, we could include the record and the pedicted passing/rushing attempts this year and see where we end up in the end.

I'm down for that.

Put me down for 609 pass attempts.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Jimmy doesn't get a pass because if his injuries. If he is that self centered to put himself before the team rather than admit he could not play the position at a high enough level to win the game than he deserves the critism all the same.

Oh I'm not giving him a pass. I'm saying it just made it easier to cement the game plan. I think he was most effected by it on the move so if you can stack the box and run blitz on early Kyle run downs, you're going to put some serious stress on that offense on 2nd and 3rd downs!

Now, if we had the Mostert running game against GB or even the Chiefs from the Superbowl, they'd be in big trouble. But we just didn't have the same run game. Williams was so badly injured, Brunskill and Compton are , Mack was getting out-muscled, Kittle was banged up, Mitchell eventually needed surgery, we had RB's in off the streets, taking Deebo out as a WR to be our RB played into their run blitzing and not needing to worry about much else, etc.

Mostert is not here, he is not coming back. If Trey can prove to be as affective in the short passing game as Jimmy while hitting those deeper and outside routes, teams will no longer be able to lockdown one area of the field and expect to beat us just like the rams did. While I don't believe our offense will ever reach 600 pass attempts in a single season, I do believe we will see more 30-40 pass attempt games. It is every play-callers dreams to be able to dominate in both run and pass, depending on what the defense is trying to stop.

For sure. That's definitely the idea...similar efficiency on the low volume passes but more explosives added on and off schedule with both his legs and arm. And the ability to consistently attack outside the hashes is really important too. That's the goal! From a skill set perspective, he just gives you a few more tools. But he's got to learn the QB part first. If he puts it all together consistently, look out!!!

You bring up a great point. I know Gore and I have had some philosophical discussions on this topic as well.

But maybe in our PYMWYMI thread, we could include the record and the pedicted passing/rushing attempts this year and see where we end up in the end.

I'm down for that.

Put me down for 609 pass attempts.

Bless you! LOL

PS: That certainly would be fun though, huh!

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Jimmy doesn't get a pass because if his injuries. If he is that self centered to put himself before the team rather than admit he could not play the position at a high enough level to win the game than he deserves the critism all the same.

Oh I'm not giving him a pass. I'm saying it just made it easier to cement the game plan. I think he was most effected by it on the move so if you can stack the box and run blitz on early Kyle run downs, you're going to put some serious stress on that offense on 2nd and 3rd downs!

Now, if we had the Mostert running game against GB or even the Chiefs from the Superbowl, they'd be in big trouble. But we just didn't have the same run game. Williams was so badly injured, Brunskill and Compton are , Mack was getting out-muscled, Kittle was banged up, Mitchell eventually needed surgery, we had RB's in off the streets, taking Deebo out as a WR to be our RB played into their run blitzing and not needing to worry about much else, etc.

Mostert is not here, he is not coming back. If Trey can prove to be as affective in the short passing game as Jimmy while hitting those deeper and outside routes, teams will no longer be able to lockdown one area of the field and expect to beat us just like the rams did. While I don't believe our offense will ever reach 600 pass attempts in a single season, I do believe we will see more 30-40 pass attempt games. It is every play-callers dreams to be able to dominate in both run and pass, depending on what the defense is trying to stop.

For sure. That's definitely the idea...similar efficiency on the low volume passes but more explosives added on and off schedule with both his legs and arm. And the ability to consistently attack outside the hashes is really important too. That's the goal! From a skill set perspective, he just gives you a few more tools. But he's got to learn the QB part first. If he puts it all together consistently, look out!!!

You bring up a great point. I know Gore and I have had some philosophical discussions on this topic as well.

But maybe in our PYMWYMI thread, we could include the record and the pedicted passing/rushing attempts this year and see where we end up in the end.

I'm down for that.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Your last sentence is completely wrong. I'm surprised you would come to that conclusion when it was stated plainly by Lynch and everyone else in the league that knows what's reality, if Jimmy Garoppolo did not have shoulder surgery he would already be on another team. Maybe you missed the part where John Lynch said that a trade was progressing pretty rapidly until that announcement. So no, there is only one reason why the league just played musical chairs at quarterback and Jimmy is still the odd man out, that is his shoulder surgery.

It's a minor shoulder surgery. It just requires rest. If it was such a serious injury that no one would be interested Jimmy and his team wouldn't have put off the surgery like they did. If someone really wanted him bad enough and were willing to meet the 9ers price he'd be there.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I don't view the soft QB market as an indictment on JG. In prior years clubs traded for Darnold and Foles after they busted with fat contracts..

Now Baker can't get traded. He's better than Darnold ever was.

Malik Willis was mocked possible top 10 he went round 3. Carson Strong was mocked maybe round 3 went undrafted. We have an oversupply of QBs right now. No chance of a trade in this climate, just ask the Browns how that's going or the Bears when they put Foles on the block.. Not a JG issue... it's a league wide issue

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I don't view the soft QB market as an indictment on JG. In prior years clubs traded for Darnold and Foles after they busted with fat contracts..

Now Baker can't get traded. He's better than Darnold ever was.

Malik Willis was mocked possible top 10 he went round 3. Carson Strong was mocked maybe round 3 went undrafted. We have an oversupply of QBs right now. No chance of a trade in this climate, just ask the Browns how that's going or the Bears when they put Foles on the block.. Not a JG issue... it's a league wide issue

Baker can't be moved because teams don't want to deal with the person. His attitude has done him no favors. Add to it his contract and no one wants to pick both those things up.

Willis only got mocked that high because people believe a QB will always go high no matter what. Never because of talent.

Reality is teams just don't value Jimmy, Baker and the qb class for various reasons. Jimmy isn't going to magically have a market once he's healthy either. Whatever Houston is offering right now is what we can expect.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I don't view the soft QB market as an indictment on JG. In prior years clubs traded for Darnold and Foles after they busted with fat contracts..

Now Baker can't get traded. He's better than Darnold ever was.

Malik Willis was mocked possible top 10 he went round 3. Carson Strong was mocked maybe round 3 went undrafted. We have an oversupply of QBs right now. No chance of a trade in this climate, just ask the Browns how that's going or the Bears when they put Foles on the block.. Not a JG issue... it's a league wide issue

Baker can't be moved because teams don't want to deal with the person. His attitude has done him no favors. Add to it his contract and no one wants to pick both those things up.

Willis only got mocked that high because people believe a QB will always go high no matter what. Never because of talent.

Reality is teams just don't value Jimmy, Baker and the qb class for various reasons. Jimmy isn't going to magically have a market once he's healthy either. Whatever Houston is offering right now is what we can expect.

I'm with Faithful on this one, and I do believe the surgery had a factor, he can't throw till July, any team taking him on would want to have him throwing ASAP at minicamp, learning the offense.

Also it's really ridiculous to see Wentz, Darnold, & Foles in past years get dealt, when Jimmy is better than all of them IMO, and better than Baker, who I actually think isn't really that good TBH.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Baker had an epic team around him too and couldn't do jack. Dude is trash.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I don't view the soft QB market as an indictment on JG. In prior years clubs traded for Darnold and Foles after they busted with fat contracts..

Now Baker can't get traded. He's better than Darnold ever was.

Malik Willis was mocked possible top 10 he went round 3. Carson Strong was mocked maybe round 3 went undrafted. We have an oversupply of QBs right now. No chance of a trade in this climate, just ask the Browns how that's going or the Bears when they put Foles on the block.. Not a JG issue... it's a league wide issue

Baker can't be moved because teams don't want to deal with the person. His attitude has done him no favors. Add to it his contract and no one wants to pick both those things up.

Willis only got mocked that high because people believe a QB will always go high no matter what. Never because of talent.

Reality is teams just don't value Jimmy, Baker and the qb class for various reasons. Jimmy isn't going to magically have a market once he's healthy either. Whatever Houston is offering right now is what we can expect.

I'm with Faithful on this one, and I do believe the surgery had a factor, he can't throw till July, any team taking him on would want to have him throwing ASAP at minicamp, learning the offense.

Also it's really ridiculous to see Wentz, Darnold, & Foles in past years get dealt, when Jimmy is better than all of them IMO, and better than Baker, who I actually think isn't really that good TBH.

Baker had an epic team around him too and couldn't do jack. Dude is trash.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I don't view the soft QB market as an indictment on JG. In prior years clubs traded for Darnold and Foles after they busted with fat contracts..

Now Baker can't get traded. He's better than Darnold ever was.

Malik Willis was mocked possible top 10 he went round 3. Carson Strong was mocked maybe round 3 went undrafted. We have an oversupply of QBs right now. No chance of a trade in this climate, just ask the Browns how that's going or the Bears when they put Foles on the block.. Not a JG issue... it's a league wide issue

Baker can't be moved because teams don't want to deal with the person. His attitude has done him no favors. Add to it his contract and no one wants to pick both those things up.

Willis only got mocked that high because people believe a QB will always go high no matter what. Never because of talent.

Reality is teams just don't value Jimmy, Baker and the qb class for various reasons. Jimmy isn't going to magically have a market once he's healthy either. Whatever Houston is offering right now is what we can expect.

I'm with Faithful on this one, and I do believe the surgery had a factor, he can't throw till July, any team taking him on would want to have him throwing ASAP at minicamp, learning the offense.

Also it's really ridiculous to see Wentz, Darnold, & Foles in past years get dealt, when Jimmy is better than all of them IMO, and better than Baker, who I actually think isn't really that good TBH.

Baker had an epic team around him too and couldn't do jack. Dude is trash.

no no no.. they are trash because the GM and they give up leads (am i doing this right)

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Baker had an epic team around him too and couldn't do jack. Dude is trash.

Thank god I'm not the only one who thinks he's trash, he's so meh to me, should never have gone #1 overall.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Baker had an epic team around him too and couldn't do jack. Dude is trash.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Thank god I'm not the only one who thinks he's trash, he's so meh to me, should never have gone #1 overall.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Why aren´t we signing James Bradberry?