John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by mcbaes72:
I haven't heard about him until yesterday as well. Still, can't be worse than Baalke's failed WRs and his All-ACL injured rookies drafts. If every rookie is healthy, we're already improving.

Why are you comparing him to Baalke? Peters is not the GM. Lynch is.

Lets be honest here....Lynch is not actually going to be doing any real scouting himself.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Nothing special during that time, but 2012 was really good. Wolfe, Jackson, Trevathan in one draft is nice work. The rest of the drafts have some solid contributors sprinkled in here and there.

I think ultimately thats what you're looking for. Its darn near impossible to ace the draft year after year. Seattle had amazing drafts from 2010-2012, after that they've been sub-par. The hope is we have a few good drafts to form our core, especially now that we're picking high in the draft, and then build on it the best we can. Also, our margin of error is much higher if we find the right QB to build around.

Understatement. Beyond Tyler Lockett and the wife-beater, their drafts have been absolutely horrid.

You're right, I was being too generous. Looking at their drafts from 2013-present, it's been a s**tshow.

Does this Peters move mean no Dominik?

Originally posted by Afrikan:

One of the first things Lynch should do is stop this lawsuit against Aldon for f**kin 300k.

We don't need this hanging over our heads if we are trying change our image as a an organization..especially to attract players.

Lynch would come off as Good Cop, and should help his image even more for potential free agents.

edit- even if this has nothing to do with GM Duties... Jed should make it seem like it was Lynch who ask this lawsuit to be thrown out.

Screw that nonsense this is business. The only reason you are even hearing this news is because thug ass Aldon Smith still can't be responsible and do the things he is supposed to do. It was court ordered and I say screw that guy just like he screwed us, f**k'em!!!

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
One of the first things Lynch should do is stop this lawsuit against Aldon for f**kin 300k.

We don't need this hanging over our heads if we are trying change our image as a an organization..especially to attract players.

Lynch would come off as Good Cop, and should help his image even more for potential free agents.

Absolutely correct. It is petty.

Just curious, but what would you guys do if someone owed you $300k and didn't give a s**t the advice you gave him?

Originally posted by SofaKing:
You're right, I was being too generous. Looking at their drafts from 2013-present, it's been a s**tshow.

Even more seems to reinforce that drafting is largely about luck as well as player development. I doubt that their scouts and GM suddenly just started to suck after all the success they had from 2010-2012, its just every time you choose a player, you roll the dice and more often than not, you crap out.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
A Broncos fan did a breakdown of their drafts and they've done a fantastic job drafting pass rusher's and DE's, a pretty terrible job drafting OL.

Thats good to know. We could always use better pass rushers, thats sorely lacking right now. As far as the OL, the Shanahan's have a history of getting more out of less with their scheme. They know what traits to look for when configuring the OL.

Thanks Phoenix. If I learned one thing during this GM search, it's that each group had a different philosophy and clearly had their strengths and weaknesses. When you get right down to their hit rates and successes, it's not much better than if you and I did a mock. If you've retained 50% of your drafted players over the past 4 years, found 2 or 3 impact players (via draft + free agency), you're a very good GM. If you find a FQB, you can stay with a team 10+ years and ride that wave as long as possible. It's like a get-out-of-jail-free card. Seattle is a perfect example of that. They absolutely suck at drafting.

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
One of the first things Lynch should do is stop this lawsuit against Aldon for f**kin 300k.

We don't need this hanging over our heads if we are trying change our image as a an organization..especially to attract players.

Lynch would come off as Good Cop, and should help his image even more for potential free agents.

edit- even if this has nothing to do with GM Duties... Jed should make it seem like it was Lynch who ask this lawsuit to be thrown out.

Screw that nonsense this is business. The only reason you are even hearing this news is because thug ass Aldon Smith still can't be responsible and do the things he is supposed to do. It was court ordered and I say screw that guy just like he screwed us, f**k'em!!!

I agree 100%. I am tired of being played for fools and looking stupid.

Lynch should go after Anthony Davis and get back those training camp paychecks too. What a complete embarrassment that was.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Thanks Phoenix. If I learned one thing during this GM search, it's that each group had a different philosophy and clearly had their strengths and weaknesses. When you get right down to their hit rates and successes, it's not much better than if you and I did a mock. If you've retained 50% of your drafted players over the past 4 years, found 2 or 3 impact players (via draft + free agency), you're a very good GM. If you find a FQB, you can stay with a team 10+ years and ride that wave as long as possible. It's like a get-out-of-jail card. Seattle is a perfect example of that. They absolutely suck at drafting.

Gotta be smart, gotta work hard, but mostly, you have to be lucky. At some point everyone's luck runs out, everyone misses, if a good GM stays in their job long enough they will blow an entire draft, sometimes multiple drafts, its really a crapshoot.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-team-can-beat-the-draft/

Originally posted by crabman82:
Does this Peters move mean no Dominik?

probably I would say. Peters is more impressive anyway.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I agree and good post, but again the General Manager role is different with every team. I think there's a shift happening right now from traditional role to one that's more evolved. As the league has become more complex and lucrative over the years, it's quite possible that the old traditional GM responsibilities were too much for one person. Sure it's great if you can find one guy who can maintain that workload for long periods of time but on the other hand, maybe it's not such a bad idea to have a "GM" be in that role which is really a HOFO etc. I've always said that titles aren't as important with smaller organizations - it's what you do that matters. At any rate, the folks working with him will be key.

For sure...which is why I originally hated the hire. It IS too much and always has been for one person, let alone one person who has zero experience. There was a reason we were interviewing two GB guys and two Seattle guys. These roles are all so specialized and have become very complex over the years with the CBA. FO's are starting to get bigger and bigger like coaching staffs and that's the way it should be IMHO.

As I look around at other teams, there is a wide spread of responsibility in areas that could be called "general management." By interviewing guys from other teams different levels of involvement, Jed could see how the position is handled outside his house.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
One of the first things Lynch should do is stop this lawsuit against Aldon for f**kin 300k.

Assuming that Lynch isn't in favor of it. It fits with his theme about accountability. You f**k up(over and over and over and over and over), you get held accountable.

Yes stop the law suit, sending a message around the league to potential free agents that they should sign with the 49ers to get the signing bonus and not play for one reason or another is always a good message to send. A. Smith was an immature addict who should pay back the signing bonus after the multiple chances the team gave him.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Even more seems to reinforce that drafting is largely about luck as well as player development. I doubt that their scouts and GM suddenly just started to suck after all the success they had from 2010-2012, its just every time you choose a player, you roll the dice and more often than not, you crap out.

It's because McCloughan helped Seattle with their drafts, and all of a sudden they started sucking once he left that organization. What a coincidence

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
probably I would say. Peters is more impressive anyway.

I don't know about that, Peters is a promising scout but he has relatively little experience. I wouldn't be shocked to see a former GM like Dominik or Hickey wind up joining the front office as well.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Thanks Phoenix. If I learned one thing during this GM search, it's that each group had a different philosophy and clearly had their strengths and weaknesses. When you get right down to their hit rates and successes, it's not much better than if you and I did a mock. If you've retained 50% of your drafted players over the past 4 years, found 2 or 3 impact players (via draft + free agency), you're a very good GM. If you find a FQB, you can stay with a team 10+ years and ride that wave as long as possible. It's like a get-out-of-jail card. Seattle is a perfect example of that. They absolutely suck at drafting.

Gotta be smart, gotta work hard, but mostly, you have to be lucky. At some point everyone's luck runs out, everyone misses, if a GM stays in their job long enough they will blow an entire draft, sometimes multiple drafts, its really a crapshoot.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-team-can-beat-the-draft/

So, so, so true!

In any draft, 1) there has to be an Aaron Rodgers and 2) you have to be in position to get him

Luck.

Last year, I felt we lucked out on Buckner. But, it certainly helps having top 10 picks...in terms of probability, anyway.