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Luckycharms · 2016-10-25T16:18:11-07:00

Im a die hard 49ers fan and I will watch every game they play whether they suck or are good. First ill start with the Defense. Right now I see a team that has some good young talent but are missing a few pieces that will make DRAMATIC improvements. From a talent standpoint our run Defense is terrible, the worst ive ever seen, but the more I watch of the tape the more convinced I am that the main talent issue we have right now is at the ILB position. I constantly see Bellore, Whilhoite, Hodges making mental and physical mistakes. Sure, at times some of the play calls and some of the schemes might not be the best, but right now need #1 on defense is ILB help. What is the difference with our defense from the first few weeks, where our run D wasn't spectacular but it was mediocre, to now where the past few weeks teams are running on us at a record pace? Answer: its the ILB position, first was Ray Ray, who is a decent run defender, not great then a few weeks later we lost Bowman. Bowman masked a lot of deficiencies that our D has, especially up front. Everyone else has stayed the same, so not only do the stats say, but also the film that the main weakness is ILB play. #2 would be NT help. Buck, AA, Dial, Purcell... none of them should be playing NT, that is not their strength as players. Sure there are several times our young DL gets out leveraged or is out of position but these are expected. I am not saying they are without blame, but if we had a run stuffing NT it would alleviate some of the pressure Buck and AA have in stopping the run. I also think our Pass D has suffered due to our Defense focusing so much on trying to stop the run. I have seen several times we stay in base D when the other team comes out in 3 or 4 WR's because our coach is so afraid of getting gashed in the run game. When your giving up 200-300 yards a game as a defender, it doesn't matter what position you play, subconsciously you will be over playing for the run whether you think they will run it or not. I will just make a quick statement on scheme, I for the most part like JoN's pass D. I like that he has a ton of blitz packages, I like that he mixes up his defenses with man and zone, I like that he presses a lot since I think we have some corners who can do it, and I like that he pattern matches. I HATE how he has his DL play the run. We don't know exactly what he teaches but I think its safe to assume he teaches them too often to split gaps and be aggressive, causing the ILB's to guess which way the DE's are going. In terms of offense, I think this is an area that will need a lot more help. I will start by saying I don't have a ton of issues with Chip and his offense, I would like to see him vary up his run looks a bit. Right now we have a run game that cant break off big runs. All of our big runs have either come from Gabbert or Kap scrambling. I cant remember the last time our RB broke off a 25+ yarder. As a whole, we need better run blocking, but some of that is due to teams not being afraid of our pass game. Obviously our #1 need is a QB... for example last week against the bucs when we were down 14 to 27 in the 4th q, we ran 13 plays for 49 yards that took 6 minutes... that means we are dinking and dunking our way down the field. We don't have near the concistency as an Offense to continually run that many plays and be effective, our qb's aren't accurate enough. Sure we can have 1 or 2 drives a game where we can work our way down the field for some scores but that isn't something we can do concistently. I think that is a big issue Chip is having, we just cant seem to get any big passing plays. #2 need on offense is WR... I would like to see us make a big play in FA to grab Jeffrey, and also take a WR in the first 2 rounds. Chip needs a specific kind of player to run his offense. His offense isn't a universal kind of offense, he cant have massive slow moving OL, he needs big physical receivers who can run block and beat man coverage, he needs a QB with repetitive accuracy in the mid range passing game, passes 5-15 yds down field. all this opens up that opportunity for those deep posts for 40+ yard gainers. Finally, I don't think this is a 4-5 year rebuild, the main thing is we have to find our franchise qb this draft and start to build around him. Like I said in the beginning, we have a lot of talent on D, and some solid young pieces on the OL. We need to be very active in FA grabbing an ILB, NT, WR and we need to focus on offensive skill players this year in the draft. By year 3 of Chip at the helm I can see us competing for the playoffs, maybe even next year if our Rookie qb is able to come in and give us solid play. I know this year sucks, but you gotta stick with your team through the good and the bad.

Oct 28, 2016 at 4:28 PM

#31

Goatie
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Originally posted by tohara3:
Agree. Hope to see some improvement, growth & health in the 2nd half of the season! Go 49ers

Good to see not everyone is manic depressive.

It is a building year with a new scheme and completely new coaching crew bar Rathman.

It is going to take some time for everything to gel with the players and when it does the team will go gangbusters.

At the moment there are some promising signs but the team has a tough schedule and they are in learning mode.

Give them some time.

Oct 28, 2016 at 5:30 PM

#32

Ninerjohn
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Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by tohara3:
Agree. Hope to see some improvement, growth & health in the 2nd half of the season! Go 49ers

Good to see not everyone is manic depressive.

It is a building year with a new scheme and completely new coaching crew bar Rathman.

It is going to take some time for everything to gel with the players and when it does the team will go gangbusters.

At the moment there are some promising signs but the team has a tough schedule and they are in learning mode.

Give them some time.

What are the promising signs again?

Oct 28, 2016 at 5:32 PM

#33

jcs
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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by tohara3:
Agree. Hope to see some improvement, growth & health in the 2nd half of the season! Go 49ers

Good to see not everyone is manic depressive.

It is a building year with a new scheme and completely new coaching crew bar Rathman.

It is going to take some time for everything to gel with the players and when it does the team will go gangbusters.

At the moment there are some promising signs but the team has a tough schedule and they are in learning mode.

Give them some time.

What are the promising signs again?

lol

Oct 28, 2016 at 6:57 PM

#34

barrymartin
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Originally posted by RishikeshA:
As a team is built to win this team seems as if it was built to lose. No effort has been put into having a competitive product on the field. Are the Yorks cutting down to the bone for a sale of the franchise? Is money (which has poured in already) the only bottom line? My dream, my wish, is to have Eddie D. somehow get control once again.

The Yorks selling the franchise is really the only hope we have. They are incompetent, in it for the money and profoundly arrogant and insensitive. Who is going to work for them that can get a real career elsewhere? Gotta face this guys. The problem is not at WR or QB...It's at the very top.

Oct 28, 2016 at 11:24 PM

#35

49erfaninAZ
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Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by tohara3:
Agree. Hope to see some improvement, growth & health in the 2nd half of the season! Go 49ers

Good to see not everyone is manic depressive.

It is a building year with a new scheme and completely new coaching crew bar Rathman.

It is going to take some time for everything to gel with the players and when it does the team will go gangbusters.

At the moment there are some promising signs but the team has a tough schedule and they are in learning mode.

Give them some time.

What are the promising signs again?
lol

First pick in the draft

Oct 29, 2016 at 12:17 AM

#36

Goatie
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Positive Signs

1. The pocket is holding better then last year

2. We can score in the first half.

3, We can lead in the first half

4. Jarryd Hayne quit

Oct 29, 2016 at 10:42 AM

#37

JimA49ers
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Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by tohara3:
Agree. Hope to see some improvement, growth & health in the 2nd half of the season! Go 49ers

Good to see not everyone is manic depressive.

It is a building year with a new scheme and completely new coaching crew bar Rathman.

It is going to take some time for everything to gel with the players and when it does the team will go gangbusters.

At the moment there are some promising signs but the team has a tough schedule and they are in learning mode.

Give them some time.

What are the promising signs again?
lol

The only promising sign would be "Team For Sale"

Oct 29, 2016 at 10:52 AM

#38

gold49digger
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Good post OP. Optimistic instead of the negativity that this forum has most of the time.

Oct 29, 2016 at 12:46 PM

#39

LasVegasWally
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Originally posted by Goatie:
Positive Signs

1. The pocket is holding better then last year

2. We can score in the first half.

3, We can lead in the first half

4. Jarryd Hayne quit

We can score in the Red Zone.

we really couldn't in JH's last season. People tend t overlook that.

Oct 29, 2016 at 12:47 PM

#40

LasVegasWally
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Originally posted by JimA49ers:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by tohara3:
Agree. Hope to see some improvement, growth & health in the 2nd half of the season! Go 49ers

Good to see not everyone is manic depressive.

It is a building year with a new scheme and completely new coaching crew bar Rathman.

It is going to take some time for everything to gel with the players and when it does the team will go gangbusters.

At the moment there are some promising signs but the team has a tough schedule and they are in learning mode.

Give them some time.

What are the promising signs again?
lol

The only promising sign would be "Team For Sale"

I'm "All-IN' for that!

Or some how - some way we get Eddie D back.

Oct 29, 2016 at 6:29 PM

#41

Ninerjohn
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Originally posted by gold49digger:
Good post OP. Optimistic instead of the negativity that this forum has most of the time.

Right. Because there is so much we should be optimistic about given our terrific owner, our brilliant GM, and a roster full of all pro players.

I think everyone in the WZ would love to be optimistic. However, reality is that there is very little to be optimistic about and that most are realistic as opposed to having some fake optimism.

Reality is Jed York and Trent Baalke have taken a team from being a SB contender to a laughing stock in 4 years. They got rid of the an excellent coach who actually could give us hope, didnt spend money on free agents even though there was money to be spent, drafted 2 CBs in rds 3 and 4 and passed on the Cowboys future savior at QB in rd 4, and have seen their once proud franchise rated as DEAD last among every single franchise in the Big 4 sports in an ESPN poll. 122nd and LAST.

I am lucky enough to have been a season ticket holder during the glory years and seen a franchise that truly was great. There is NOTHING that most 49ers fans any optimism that those times will come anytime soon.

Oct 29, 2016 at 9:39 PM

#42

MeddlingKids
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We are getting blown out most games. This season has been a disaster so far.

Oct 29, 2016 at 11:01 PM

#43

SmokeCrabtrees
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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by gold49digger:
Good post OP. Optimistic instead of the negativity that this forum has most of the time.

Right. Because there is so much we should be optimistic about given our terrific owner, our brilliant GM, and a roster full of all pro players. I think everyone in the WZ would love to be optimistic. However, reality is that there is very little to be optimistic about and that most are realistic as opposed to having some fake optimism.

Reality is Jed York and Trent Baalke have taken a team from being a SB contender to a laughing stock in 4 years. They got rid of the an excellent coach who actually could give us hope, didnt spend money on free agents even though there was money to be spent, drafted 2 CBs in rds 3 and 4 and passed on the Cowboys future savior at QB in rd 4, and have seen their once proud franchise rated as DEAD last among every single franchise in the Big 4 sports in an ESPN poll. 122nd and LAST.

I am lucky enough to have been a season ticket holder during the glory years and seen a franchise that truly was great. There is NOTHING that most 49ers fans any optimism that those times will come anytime soon.

Dude the Dak thing is so old... how many other teams passed in him? How many selections? Cmon brah.

Oct 29, 2016 at 11:03 PM

#44

TheWooLick
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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by tohara3:
Agree. Hope to see some improvement, growth & health in the 2nd half of the season! Go 49ers

Good to see not everyone is manic depressive.

It is a building year with a new scheme and completely new coaching crew bar Rathman.

It is going to take some time for everything to gel with the players and when it does the team will go gangbusters.

At the moment there are some promising signs but the team has a tough schedule and they are in learning mode.

Give them some time.

What are the promising signs again?

Bradly Pinion leads the NFL in punting yards.

Oct 29, 2016 at 11:42 PM

#45

Ninerjohn
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Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Good post OP. Optimistic instead of the negativity that this forum has most of the time.

Right. Because there is so much we should be optimistic about given our terrific owner, our brilliant GM, and a roster full of all pro players. I think everyone in the WZ would love to be optimistic. However, reality is that there is very little to be optimistic about and that most are realistic as opposed to having some fake optimism.

Reality is Jed York and Trent Baalke have taken a team from being a SB contender to a laughing stock in 4 years. They got rid of the an excellent coach who actually could give us hope, didnt spend money on free agents even though there was money to be spent, drafted 2 CBs in rds 3 and 4 and passed on the Cowboys future savior at QB in rd 4, and have seen their once proud franchise rated as DEAD last among every single franchise in the Big 4 sports in an ESPN poll. 122nd and LAST.

I am lucky enough to have been a season ticket holder during the glory years and seen a franchise that truly was great. There is NOTHING that most 49ers fans any optimism that those times will come anytime soon.

Dude the Dak thing is so old... how many other teams passed in him? How many selections? Cmon brah.

Who cares about the other teams. Most didnt have a huge need at QB like the Niners. It was a major f**k up but its no surprise. Everything this team has done in the past 3 years has been.