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Oct 3, 2016 at 12:05 PM
- awp8912
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Sad that, that was his best performance as a Niner.....I mean come on.
Oct 3, 2016 at 12:15 PM
- Phoenix49ers
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Originally posted by awp8912:Sad that, that was his best performance as a Niner.....I mean come on.
196 yards and 1 TD for Gabbert is a career game. That just depresses the hell out of me.
Oct 3, 2016 at 12:19 PM
- TheWooLick
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O14 - 3/13 - 3 yd completion to Draughn in right flat. No other receivers open.
I think this is the one I watched a few times, it was a really poor pass that seems indicative of many of Gabbert's short passes that are complete. It was an easy pass, there was no pressure on Gabbert and no defenders anywhere near Draughn yet Gabbert sailed it way over the receivers head and away from the direction the receiver was running, Draughn had to jump and twist just to catch it and had no hope of much YAC because of the poor throw.
I think this is the one I watched a few times, it was a really poor pass that seems indicative of many of Gabbert's short passes that are complete. It was an easy pass, there was no pressure on Gabbert and no defenders anywhere near Draughn yet Gabbert sailed it way over the receivers head and away from the direction the receiver was running, Draughn had to jump and twist just to catch it and had no hope of much YAC because of the poor throw.
Oct 3, 2016 at 12:27 PM
- dj43
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Originally posted by TheWooLick:
O14 - 3/13 - 3 yd completion to Draughn in right flat. No other receivers open.
I think this is the one I watched a few times, it was a really poor pass that seems indicative of many of Gabbert's short passes that are complete. It was an easy pass, there was no pressure on Gabbert and no defenders anywhere near Draughn yet Gabbert sailed it way over the receivers head and away from the direction the receiver was running, Draughn had to jump and twist just to catch it and had no hope of much YAC because of the poor throw.
Draughn wasn't going to make much more on that play if Gabbert had run over and put it in SD's arms. Dallas had everything covered and was playing the short stuff just like Seattle did last week - let SF complete the short stuff and tackle the receiver all the while taking away anything past the sticks.
Receivers have to make those kinds of catches all the time. I watched the NO game last week and saw Drew Brees twist some of his receivers into pretzels in order to catch balls that were not perfectly thrown.
But stay focused on this one play that was going nowhere no matter how perfect the throw and ignore the numerous other VERY GOOD throws he made.
Oct 3, 2016 at 12:29 PM
- thl408
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Regarding the failed QB keeps on the Zone Reads, AIkman did a good job, albeit very quickly, of describing the scrape exchange technique that tricked Gabbert into keeping the ball, only to have a LB waiting for him once he tried to gain the edge. Gabbert has good athleticism but not to the point where he has any kind of advantage versus a LB in space. Then the 49ers adjusted by giving Gabbert a two RB backfield to block the scraping LB. It worked at least once that I can recall.
Oct 3, 2016 at 12:31 PM
- TheWooLick
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Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by TheWooLick:O14 - 3/13 - 3 yd completion to Draughn in right flat. No other receivers open.
I think this is the one I watched a few times, it was a really poor pass that seems indicative of many of Gabbert's short passes that are complete. It was an easy pass, there was no pressure on Gabbert and no defenders anywhere near Draughn yet Gabbert sailed it way over the receivers head and away from the direction the receiver was running, Draughn had to jump and twist just to catch it and had no hope of much YAC because of the poor throw.
Draughn wasn't going to make much more on that play if Gabbert had run over and put it in SD's arms. Dallas had everything covered and was playing the short stuff just like Seattle did last week - let SF complete the short stuff and tackle the receiver all the while taking away anything past the sticks.
Receivers have to make those kinds of catches all the time. I watched the NO game last week and saw Drew Brees twist some of his receivers into pretzels in order to catch balls that were not perfectly thrown.
But stay focused on this one play that was going nowhere no matter how perfect the throw and ignore the numerous other VERY GOOD throws he made.
I think there were YAC to be had but that is beside the point, it was a terrible pass despite the fact that it was caught. Decent quarterbacks make that easy throw consistently.
That play is indicative of how Gabbert delivers the ball regularly, for his entire career.
He made some good throws for sure but not nearly enough to make up for the horrible ones.
Oct 3, 2016 at 12:33 PM
- dj43
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Originally posted by thl408:
Regarding the failed QB keeps on the Zone Reads, AIkman did a good job, albeit very quickly, of describing the scrape exchange technique that tricked Gabbert into keeping the ball, only to have a LB waiting for him once he tried to gain the edge. Gabbert has good athleticism but not to the point where he has any kind of advantage versus a LB in space. Then the 49ers adjusted by giving Gabbert a two RB backfield to block the scraping LB. It worked at least once that I can recall.
Good point. Dallas had scouted the Seattle game well and used the same technique.
I recall the adjustment and it did help on one play for sure. On another, Draughn missed his block and Gabbert was thrown for a loss. Would like to see more of that as it keeps the defense guessing.
Oct 3, 2016 at 12:34 PM
- captveg
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Originally posted by dj43:
O13 - 2/7? - Brown allows immediate pressure between guard and tackle and Gabbert is sacked for 7 yard loss. No "hot" receiver visible.
IIRC the sack was on 1st and 10.
Even with the sack and the INT coming on 1st downs, Gabbert was 5/6 on 7 first down pass plays, gaining 82 yards. 11yd/pass even factoring in the INT (0) and the sack (-7). Before the INT Kelly called 13 runs on 1st to 4 passes on 1st. 3:1 ratio of run:pass on 1st down is terrible, especially when all but one of them (the 32 yard run to open the 2nd half) combined for a total of 23 yards, or a 1.7 yard average.
Run:Pass ratio on 1st down needs to be 1:1.
[ Edited by captveg on Oct 3, 2016 at 12:40 PM ]
Oct 3, 2016 at 12:38 PM
- dj43
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Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
O14 - 3/13 - 3 yd completion to Draughn in right flat. No other receivers open.
I think this is the one I watched a few times, it was a really poor pass that seems indicative of many of Gabbert's short passes that are complete. It was an easy pass, there was no pressure on Gabbert and no defenders anywhere near Draughn yet Gabbert sailed it way over the receivers head and away from the direction the receiver was running, Draughn had to jump and twist just to catch it and had no hope of much YAC because of the poor throw.
Draughn wasn't going to make much more on that play if Gabbert had run over and put it in SD's arms. Dallas had everything covered and was playing the short stuff just like Seattle did last week - let SF complete the short stuff and tackle the receiver all the while taking away anything past the sticks.
Receivers have to make those kinds of catches all the time. I watched the NO game last week and saw Drew Brees twist some of his receivers into pretzels in order to catch balls that were not perfectly thrown.
But stay focused on this one play that was going nowhere no matter how perfect the throw and ignore the numerous other VERY GOOD throws he made.
I think there were YAC to be had but that is beside the point, it was a terrible pass despite the fact that it was caught. Decent quarterbacks make that easy throw consistently.
That play is indicative of how Gabbert delivers the ball regularly, for his entire career.
He made some good throws for sure but not nearly enough to make up for the horrible ones.
Go do your own analysis of the plays yesterday and get back to us.
He had two poor throws. The worst was the INT. The other was the one that bounced in front of Burbridge who was well defended short of the LTG. Two others might have allowed some RAC had they been perfect. The rest were pretty much on target.
I don't give a darn what he did the rest of his career. All I was reviewing is what he did yesterday.
Oct 3, 2016 at 12:38 PM
- LenCat
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by awp8912:
Sad that, that was his best performance as a Niner.....I mean come on.
196 yards and 1 TD for Gabbert is a career game. That just depresses the hell out of me.
Remember what Bill Walsh said about Steve DeBerg? "He plays just well enough to lose"
Oct 3, 2016 at 12:39 PM
- dj43
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Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by dj43:
O13 - 2/7? - Brown allows immediate pressure between guard and tackle and Gabbert is sacked for 7 yard loss. No "hot" receiver visible.
IIRC the sack was on 1st and 10
You may be correct. I forgot to write it down when I was reviewing and added it from memory. Thanks for the add.
Oct 3, 2016 at 12:39 PM
- Matchuu84
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Need to keep the TEs involved all 4 quarters
Oct 3, 2016 at 12:42 PM
- captveg
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Posting this again here because it's absolutely relevant to the many 2nd and long / 3rd and longs we are seeing.
Kelly needs to pass more on 1st down. The stats back this up, even with Gabbert at QB and the current WR/TE group. Here are all the first downs plays in yesterday's game, separated by drive:
Run/Pass, player, yards
Run, Hyde, 4
Run, Gabbert, -2
Run, Gabbert, 0
Run, Hyde, 0
Run, Draughn, 1
Pass, Celek, 25
Run, Gabbert, -2
Run, Gabbert, 6
Run, Hyde, 4
Pass, SACK, -7
Run, Hyde, 9
Run, KNEEL DOWN, -1 (Ignoring in analysis below)
HALF
Run, Hyde, 32
Pass, Celek, 29
Run, Gabbert, -1
Run, Hyde, 1
Pass, Kerley, 6
Run, Hyde, 4
Pass, Smith, INT
Pass, Celek, 9
Pass, Kerley, 20
Run, Gabbert, -1
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14 first down runs, 7 first down passes
Throw out the 32 yarder and we ran for 23 yards on 13 first downs. That's a 1.7 yard average folks. And five of them were for a loss or no gain.
Gabbert was 5/6 passing on first down and those five completions averaged 17.8 yards, with the incompletion being the long shot INT, and the 7th play being the sack. Even with those two negative plays the average yards for the 1st down pass plays was 11.7. And 3 of the 7 first down passes came on the last two drives of the game when we were behind and Dallas was EXPECTING pass.
So, when you look at it, the run:pass ratio on first down until the INT in the 4th quarter was 13:4. 3x the runs on first vs. the passes. And of those four pass plays there was one negative, but three positive for gains of 25, 29 and 6.
Conclusion? THROW THE DAMN BALL MORE ON 1ST DOWN. The ratio needs to be 1:1, not 3:1. What about the sack and the INT you say? Yes, negative plays will happen. But you know what? They happen a lot less frequently so far. Keep the passes in the 5-15 range and Gabbert has done pretty well passing on 1st. Don't let one sack (first of the year?) and one INT (on a long low % attempt) dictate avoiding gains of 6, 25, 29, 9, and 20.
Kelly needs to pass more on 1st down. The stats back this up, even with Gabbert at QB and the current WR/TE group. Here are all the first downs plays in yesterday's game, separated by drive:
Run/Pass, player, yards
Run, Hyde, 4
Run, Gabbert, -2
Run, Gabbert, 0
Run, Hyde, 0
Run, Draughn, 1
Pass, Celek, 25
Run, Gabbert, -2
Run, Gabbert, 6
Run, Hyde, 4
Pass, SACK, -7
Run, Hyde, 9
Run, KNEEL DOWN, -1 (Ignoring in analysis below)
HALF
Run, Hyde, 32
Pass, Celek, 29
Run, Gabbert, -1
Run, Hyde, 1
Pass, Kerley, 6
Run, Hyde, 4
Pass, Smith, INT
Pass, Celek, 9
Pass, Kerley, 20
Run, Gabbert, -1
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14 first down runs, 7 first down passes
Throw out the 32 yarder and we ran for 23 yards on 13 first downs. That's a 1.7 yard average folks. And five of them were for a loss or no gain.
Gabbert was 5/6 passing on first down and those five completions averaged 17.8 yards, with the incompletion being the long shot INT, and the 7th play being the sack. Even with those two negative plays the average yards for the 1st down pass plays was 11.7. And 3 of the 7 first down passes came on the last two drives of the game when we were behind and Dallas was EXPECTING pass.
So, when you look at it, the run:pass ratio on first down until the INT in the 4th quarter was 13:4. 3x the runs on first vs. the passes. And of those four pass plays there was one negative, but three positive for gains of 25, 29 and 6.
Conclusion? THROW THE DAMN BALL MORE ON 1ST DOWN. The ratio needs to be 1:1, not 3:1. What about the sack and the INT you say? Yes, negative plays will happen. But you know what? They happen a lot less frequently so far. Keep the passes in the 5-15 range and Gabbert has done pretty well passing on 1st. Don't let one sack (first of the year?) and one INT (on a long low % attempt) dictate avoiding gains of 6, 25, 29, 9, and 20.
[ Edited by captveg on Oct 3, 2016 at 12:43 PM ]
Oct 3, 2016 at 12:44 PM
- thl408
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Originally posted by dj43:
Go do your own analysis of the plays yesterday and get back to us.
He had two poor throws. The worst was the INT. The other was the one that bounced in front of Burbridge who was well defended short of the LTG. Two others might have allowed some RAC had they been perfect. The rest were pretty much on target.
I don't give a darn what he did the rest of his career. All I was reviewing is what he did yesterday.
There was a very flat pass he threw to Patton on a Corner route that was severely underthrown as well. On the passes that you say the WR was well covered, it could be that it was a poor decision to target that WR in the first place. This analysis is a great read, but it is very much centered around grading his accuracy and not his decision making.