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Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by pdizo916:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Nice route by patton there. Shook that dude. Looks like his route running has improved.

yea, took him having real coaching to do so....

Fixed this for you.

I don't think Patton was ever a poor route runner. He's always had good burst and some shake to him. His biggest problem imo is he can't fight off bump and run and gets rerouted easily when CBs get physical at the LoS. When he's given a free release, he's quick and fast enough to get separation.

I guess i consider that as part of route running but I see how fighting off a DB is a different thing.

Also, if you recall we talked last season about how he was dropping his hands when he was stopping which was a tell to the DB that a player is stopping. I also considered that to be poor route running.

Maybe he's just now hitting his stride putting it all together from all the different WR coaches he's had.. Harbaugh and Kelly now.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by thl408:
I don't think Patton was ever a poor route runner. He's always had good burst and some shake to him. His biggest problem imo is he can't fight off bump and run and gets rerouted easily when CBs get physical at the LoS. When he's given a free release, he's quick and fast enough to get separation.

This...he's always been a smooth route runner but like you said he has issues getting off the line with the bigger CBs. Needs to get a little stronger.

He's not quick or fast either. I actually think he'd be a really good slot WR b/c he has that feel in holes. But he's not fast enough outside to back CB's off and command a S over the top "just in case" and he's not quick enough or strong enough to beat jam press often. He's like the Tank Carradine of WR's.

I think he's fast enough but when a guy can be handled physically, the only thing you have to worry about is keeping him in front of you so deep routes are less threatening. He was timed variously--4.38, 4.48 and 4.59. So somewhere in there is the right time! I also see him as fairly quick in his cuts but when a CB can just put his hand on your shoulder and knock you down...
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Sep 16, 2016 at 2:48 PM ]
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Maybe he's just now hitting his stride putting it all together from all the different WR coaches he's had.. Harbaugh and Kelly now.

This is my hope--he has adjusted to the pro game and gained some strength. He's one of CK's best buddies on the team so I would think he spent time in the weight room.
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Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by pdizo916:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Nice route by patton there. Shook that dude. Looks like his route running has improved.

yea, took him having real coaching to do so....

Fixed this for you.

I don't think Patton was ever a poor route runner. He's always had good burst and some shake to him. His biggest problem imo is he can't fight off bump and run and gets rerouted easily when CBs get physical at the LoS. When he's given a free release, he's quick and fast enough to get separation.

I guess i consider that as part of route running but I see how fighting off a DB is a different thing.

Also, if you recall we talked last season about how he was dropping his hands when he was stopping which was a tell to the DB that a player is stopping. I also considered that to be poor route running.

That's right. I do remember discussing that at the end of the 2014 season.
Originally posted by thl408:
No idea what's up with Torrey. He had what, two downfield targets (caught one, no chance on the other) and two WR screens behind the LoS? The staff needs to find a way for Gabbert to find Torrey. He needs to be a threat or else defenses will start to creep forward.

Trumaine Johnson? Put your only good CB on the only good WR the 49ers have?
Originally posted by thl408:
I would rather go chronological order but with the play above (Fade-Out) fresh in our mind, here is a very similar route concept versus the same coverage - same quarter, two drives later. Let's see if Blaine learns.
The Out route (red) is now a quick fake screen to the flat. This is to bait the CB to come forward and not gain any depth.
Versus Cover 2 Zone


The read is the same. If the CB gaints depth, throw the Out. If he is shallow throw it into the honey hole. The CB does not gain depth so the correct target is the Fade. It must be thrown on time and with proper placement. Too late or deep and the safety can come over to make a play.


Torrey's only positive catch of the game. +15

See the difference here from what I see is in the 1st example, the DB started to drop back, almost baiting Gabbert to throw the out route. And the short throw here protected Smith from getting KO'd too
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by thl408:
I don't think Patton was ever a poor route runner. He's always had good burst and some shake to him. His biggest problem imo is he can't fight off bump and run and gets rerouted easily when CBs get physical at the LoS. When he's given a free release, he's quick and fast enough to get separation.

This...he's always been a smooth route runner but like you said he has issues getting off the line with the bigger CBs. Needs to get a little stronger.

He's not quick or fast either. I actually think he'd be a really good slot WR b/c he has that feel in holes. But he's not fast enough outside to back CB's off and command a S over the top "just in case" and he's not quick enough or strong enough to beat jam press often. He's like the Tank Carradine of WR's.

I like him in the slot too because he's such a great blocker.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
He was tied with Tavon Austin (2nd overall) in the 20 yard shuttle which shows he has explosion off the line. He was also tied for 13th in the 3 cone drill (good change of direction speed).

His issue is not being strong enough sometimes to beat the jam press (like you said) dudes got to hit the weights lol.

That was my point. Not quick enough to defeat man, not strong enough to beat jam, and not fast enough to back up CB's and command a S.

BUT...you line him up in space or on the move or from the slot, I think he could be effective.

But once Streater is ready, I'm guessing he'll take over around week 8. Kelly loves size.
Originally posted by All22:
I like him in the slot too because he's such a great blocker.

I think once we acquire that big body next year, having Patton as a #4 and shot WR with Kerley, would be excellent.
Originally posted by NCommand:
That was my point. Not quick enough to defeat man, not strong enough to beat jam, and not fast enough to back up CB's and command a S.

BUT...you line him up in space or on the move or from the slot, I think he could be effective.

But once Streater is ready, I'm guessing he'll take over around week 8. Kelly loves size.

I believe it was mostly strength for both. He seems to have worked on his hands as far as keeping the DB off his body, but still needs to work on it.

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