Why we are going to win 9-10 games!

Originally posted by dsmith_49erz:

Those same Rams beat us with a guy off the practice squad at QB

Then we beat them lol...both teams aren't good

Originally posted by gold49er2183:
I hope kap does not win the starting job. Offence is made for gabbart with the short passes.

im on the same boat. Especially after Kap wanting to be traded, i am team gabbert. If Kap wins the job of course i will root for him, but as of right now i am pulling for Gabbert to be the man. May the best man win.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Meant Garnett as a rookie won't be as good as Boone was last year. I like Garnett, so that's not to say he won't be a good player - I just don't expect him to be a $7 million a year type of player as a rookie.

Regarding Bruce Miller being a loss: I expect the scheme and coaching staff to contribute to an additional win even with Bruce Miller becoming obsolete. Chip Kelly doesn't use fullbacks, so we're being forced to try him out at a new position which he's not physically suited for. Bruce Miller changing from a great FB to potentially a backup TE is a loss. We're going to run more 3 wide sets so we'll have a bad WR on the field instead of a good FB.

Bone wasn't good last year... Not sure how you thought he was? Middle of the pack OG and tiller was actually better with s**t next to him at RT.

Chip isn't gonna force 3 WRs on the field if we have more talent at TE. You can run Miller as a h back as well...how about you wait until training camp and preseaon before you assume moving a FB to other positon is a bad thing?

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

Originally posted by susweel:

Man I just hope we can win a single game.

I heard that brotha. We'll probably luck out a couple times.

I know right man...just awful we should just stop being a NFL franchise

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

Originally posted by susweel:

Man I just hope we can win a single game.

I heard that brotha. We'll probably luck out a couple times.

I know right man...just awful we should just stop being a NFL franchise

Never give up hope. We can be the jags if we try hard enough

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

Originally posted by susweel:

Man I just hope we can win a single game.

I heard that brotha. We'll probably luck out a couple times.

I know right man...just awful we should just stop being a NFL franchise

Never give up hope. We can be the jags if we try hard enough

Lol i think we will be better than you think...Rome wasn't built in a day, a lot of up and coming teams took some time to get to where they are now.

And the jags had the same record as us last season in a horrible division...

I'm really excited to see what Kelly can do with Bruce Ellington.

I know it's a strange thing to say but I think a lot of the 49er offensive success will hinge on Ellington.

Not because he's the next HoF player, but because he seems to be the most under utilized offensive weapon on this team since he was drafted.....and NFL scouts regard him as a player that should be contributing heavily in this league.

If Kelly is as good as we hope him to be, he'll make something out of Ellington and then the chips will fall where they may at the other spots.

BTW, did the OP forget about picking up Beadles?

And can we stop making excuses for this team's OL when Wicket apparently makes do in Seattle.....

Part of the reason the Hawks do well is because they're still most committed (and successful) zone read team in the league. It opens up their normal run/pass game.

No reason Kelly can't replicate as much with who we have.

I BELIEVE.

Regarding SOS that people over here obsess over:

Never has the #1 predicted SOS ever turn out to be that.

Teams rise and fall each year. Anyone who had the 49ers as part of their 2014 SOS probably were shaking in their boots this time that year.....and we not only failed to have a winning season but rarely beat up on anybody except Dallas.

On the outside looking in, I'll say that offensively I'm more stoked now than any of the Nolan/Singletary era teams.

Coaching talent/scheme plus QBs that can/will throw downfield.....we might lack the star power of Vernon Davis/Crabtree/Gore in their prime, but that's not everything. It took Harbaugh and Roman to make those guys look next level. We could have drafted Dez Bryant in 2010 and still not made the playoffs.

Now defensively those Nolan/Singletary teams seem a bit more reliable. We had that core up to 2014, and then it all ended with Fangio leaving and a few unexpected departures.

Even when they feared the defense would be worse than the offense in 2014, it wasn't. Now that core has been shaken quite a bit.

If some of us are proven right that Kap and Gabbert can/will succeed with a good supporting cast, then the best is yet to come. People forget about Drew Brees down seasons after 2013.....and now there are articles saying that "he's still elite".

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

I've said this a number of times, but it makes no sense to use 5 games as the floor for this team if it made no changes. We were a 3 or 4 win team last year. We won two games on missed field goals by our opponents and were blown out in a number of games. There's so much irrational optimism on here based on some meaningless/lucky wins last year.

Since 1978 (when the season was extended to 16 games), 2015 was our 4th worst season in terms of +/- (-149, 2nd worst in the league behind the Browns). The other 3 seasons we won 2 games, 4 games, and 4 games (2004, 2005, 1999). We had much better point differentials in 1978 and 1979 and only won 2 games both of those years. The Titans, Chargers, and Cowboys all had significant better point differentials than we did last year and they all finished with fewer wins. We were not better than any of them last year.

The coaching staff addition by itself (Chip Kelly in particular) is worth close to one game to me which pushes us to a 4 or 5 win team. I don't think our players on offense going into next season are better than our players last year - our WR's and TE's are worse (lost Boldin and Vernon Davis), we moved one of our best players out of position (Bruce Miller), and our QB is coming off surgery (Kaepernick). I like Garnett, but he isn't a huge addition considering we're replacing Boone. On defense, our starters are the same for the most part, but we added some more depth. Those additions aren't worth a game to me and we're likely to see injuries again this year, so I think 5-5.5 is the right line heading into the season.

Given 5 wins is the betting line, we should have half the posters predicting 5 wins or fewer, but there's a lot of irrational optimism on here. If our entire team stays healthy (not a likely scenario), I still think this is only a 6-7 win team. If key players like Hyde, Staley, Lynch, or Bowman get hurt, we could be looking at a 3-4 win season.

If you are going to assume we should of lost those games that we won by missed fgs then I will say we should of won at least 2 more games due to freakishly weird calls, injuries and so on. Arizona and giants ring a bell......see how that works????? Good.

And you can't deny the coaching is better

And you said we have 2 backups starting. Have you ever heard of foles Sanchez or Bradford. He made them look almost good and even pro bowl worthy, especially foles. End of discussion. Thanks for making our points for us. Hahaha.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
I've said this a number of times, but it makes no sense to use 5 games as the floor for this team if it made no changes. We were a 3 or 4 win team last year. We won two games on missed field goals by our opponents and were blown out in a number of games. There's so much irrational optimism on here based on some meaningless/lucky wins last year.

Since 1978 (when the season was extended to 16 games), 2015 was our 4th worst season in terms of +/- (-149, 2nd worst in the league behind the Browns). The other 3 seasons we won 2 games, 4 games, and 4 games (2004, 2005, 1999). We had much better point differentials in 1978 and 1979 and only won 2 games both of those years. The Titans, Chargers, and Cowboys all had significant better point differentials than we did last year and they all finished with fewer wins. We were not better than any of them last year.

The coaching staff addition by itself (Chip Kelly in particular) is worth close to one game to me which pushes us to a 4 or 5 win team. I don't think our players on offense going into next season are better than our players last year - our WR's and TE's are worse (lost Boldin and Vernon Davis), we moved one of our best players out of position (Bruce Miller), and our QB is coming off surgery (Kaepernick). I like Garnett, but he isn't a huge addition considering we're replacing Boone. On defense, our starters are the same for the most part, but we added some more depth. Those additions aren't worth a game to me and we're likely to see injuries again this year, so I think 5-5.5 is the right line heading into the season.

Given 5 wins is the betting line, we should have half the posters predicting 5 wins or fewer, but there's a lot of irrational optimism on here. If our entire team stays healthy (not a likely scenario), I still think this is only a 6-7 win team. If key players like Hyde, Staley, Lynch, or Bowman get hurt, we could be looking at a 3-4 win season.

If you are going to assume we should of lost those games that we won by missed fgs then I will say we should of won at least 2 more games due to freakishly weird calls, injuries and so on. ......see how that works????? Good.

And you can't deny the coaching is better

And you said we have 2 backups starting. Have you ever heard of foles Sanchez or Bradford. He made them look almost good and even pro bowl worthy, especially foles. End of discussion. Thanks for making our points for us. Hahaha.

I have to laugh at all the people who think we weren't lucky to win 5 games last year.

We were 4-2 in games decided by one score or less and 2 of those wins were the direct result of missed field goals late in the game. We didn't lose any games on missed fields goals or blown calls late in the game. We had the 2nd worst point differential in the league. Every prior season our point differential was that bad or worse in the history of the franchise, we won 4 games or fewer. Our point differential is even worse from the perspective that we only scored 13 points per game last year (if you're scoring 30 points per game and losing by 10 points per game, you'd be expected to win more games than if you're scoring 13 points per game and losing by 10 per game).

It's foolish to use 5 wins as the baseline when we were lucky to win 5 games by any metric a reasonable person would use.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

Originally posted by susweel:
Man I just hope we can win a single game.

I heard that brotha. We'll probably luck out a couple times.

I know right man...just awful we should just stop being a NFL franchise

Never give up hope. We can be the jags if we try hard enough

Lol i think we will be better than you think...Rome wasn't built in a day, a lot of up and coming teams took some time to get to where they are now.

And the jags had the same record as us last season in a horrible division...

the Jags were just a tiny bit more active this offseason

Chip Kelly deserves better than the 49ers

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
I've said this a number of times, but it makes no sense to use 5 games as the floor for this team if it made no changes. We were a 3 or 4 win team last year. We won two games on missed field goals by our opponents and were blown out in a number of games. There's so much irrational optimism on here based on some meaningless/lucky wins last year.

Since 1978 (when the season was extended to 16 games), 2015 was our 4th worst season in terms of +/- (-149, 2nd worst in the league behind the Browns). The other 3 seasons we won 2 games, 4 games, and 4 games (2004, 2005, 1999). We had much better point differentials in 1978 and 1979 and only won 2 games both of those years. The Titans, Chargers, and Cowboys all had significant better point differentials than we did last year and they all finished with fewer wins. We were not better than any of them last year.

The coaching staff addition by itself (Chip Kelly in particular) is worth close to one game to me which pushes us to a 4 or 5 win team. I don't think our players on offense going into next season are better than our players last year - our WR's and TE's are worse (lost Boldin and Vernon Davis), we moved one of our best players out of position (Bruce Miller), and our QB is coming off surgery (Kaepernick). I like Garnett, but he isn't a huge addition considering we're replacing Boone. On defense, our starters are the same for the most part, but we added some more depth. Those additions aren't worth a game to me and we're likely to see injuries again this year, so I think 5-5.5 is the right line heading into the season.

Given 5 wins is the betting line, we should have half the posters predicting 5 wins or fewer, but there's a lot of irrational optimism on here. If our entire team stays healthy (not a likely scenario), I still think this is only a 6-7 win team. If key players like Hyde, Staley, Lynch, or Bowman get hurt, we could be looking at a 3-4 win season.

If you are going to assume we should of lost those games that we won by missed fgs then I will say we should of won at least 2 more games due to freakishly weird calls, injuries and so on. ......see how that works????? Good.

And you can't deny the coaching is better

And you said we have 2 backups starting. Have you ever heard of foles Sanchez or Bradford. He made them look almost good and even pro bowl worthy, especially foles. End of discussion. Thanks for making our points for us. Hahaha.

I have to laugh at all the people who think we weren't lucky to win 5 games last year.

We were 4-2 in games decided by one score or less and 2 of those wins were the direct result of missed field goals late in the game. We didn't lose any games on missed fields goals or blown calls late in the game. We had the 2nd worst point differential in the league. Every prior season our point differential was that bad or worse in the history of the franchise, we won 4 games or fewer. Our point differential is even worse from the perspective that we only scored 13 points per game last year (if you're scoring 30 points per game and losing by 10 points per game, you'd be expected to win more games than if you're scoring 13 points per game and losing by 10 per game).

It's foolish to use 5 wins as the baseline when we were lucky to win 5 games by any metric a reasonable person would use.

whats foolish is that you post like you haven't watched the actual games and just assumed of box score

you must have forgotten about the Cardinals game at home..where the Refs handed the Tards the game

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

the Jags were just a tiny bit more active this offseason

Yeah and we will see how well spending all that cash does...people think just because a player was good with one team means they will be just as productive with the new team. 9xs out of 10 that's not what happens.