We have some options for getting a deal done with Denver. | Page 15

SFBuckeye · 2016-03-27T16:08:26-07:00

The issue Is Elway is taking a hard line approach with Balke after Balke took him on the Vernon Davis Trade. Yes we did take him on that deal Vernon and a 7th round pick for Denvers 6th in 2016 and 2017. Vernon contributed very little to Denvers Super Bowl win. For the Kap trade Balke wants Denvers 2nd and Elway thinks he's only worth a 4th because their the only team that wants him right now. There's no way Balke trades him for a 4th nor should he. So this link is to show some other options to getting the deal done with Denver. Option 1 Push the draft pick compensation off til 2017 and vary it depending on how well Kap plays, how much he plays and how well the Broncos do in the playoffs. If Kap takes Denver to the Super Bowl we get their 1st next year. If Kap flops and gets benched we get their 7th rounder. Option 2 Trade Kapernick for a package of players. Ryan Clady is available and we could easily take his cap hit at 2 years 20 million left on his deal. Arguably a top 3 LT and a annual probowler might solidify our line sliding in at RT. Plus he's younger than Staley and could be his replacement when his deal is up. Also there are a few young players that could help our team like Cody Latimer WR taken in round 2 of 2014 sitting way down on the depth chart. Or Jeff Huerman a TE drafted in round 3 of 2015 who sat out all of 2015 injured. Option 3 Offer To pay for a portion of Kaps 2016 salary for a higher pick. This could be intriguing for Elway considering he has 2 million in cap space and we have 53 million. Say if we convert 6 or 7 million of his 11 million dollar base salary and pay it before we trade him to Denver. They still have Von Miller and other free agents to sign and this would be worth it to Elway to have Kap on a cheaper deal. He might be willing to change that 4th round pick hardline offer to a 2nd. Option 4 Take Denvers last pick in round 3 which is basically a 4th and take a conditional pick in 2017 based on performance. Say a 3rd this season and a 3rd next season if he performs. This protects both teams. I would like to hear any other ideas on how we can get value back for Kap.

Apr 2, 2016 at 2:11 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Wanting to win isn't the same thing as holding on to a disgruntled player, especially if he is not in your long term plans.

If Kaepernick isn't in the 49ers long term plans, that means they'd pretty much have to RG3 him lest he gets injured and we repeat this whole process again a year from now, meaning his trade value wouldn't really be any higher in 2017, so why wait to trade him.

Denver has a demand, the 49ers have the supply, find the right market price and get it done.

I like your last sentence. They have a demand we have a supply. We in turn need to demand what it takes to supply them. Nothing more nothing less

[ Edited by Pillbusta on Apr 2, 2016 at 2:14 PM ]

Apr 2, 2016 at 2:11 PM

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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I would say the trade won't happen until the draft around #7 pick if we are targeting a QB and he falls to 7 then pull the trigger on the trade.

Ideally they would reach a deal ahead of time and not announce it until the 49ers are on the clock but I don't know how realistic that is.

Apr 2, 2016 at 2:11 PM

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Originally posted by Pillbusta:
That's more like it. Keep other teams guessing and do Elway and Kap no favors. This is about what's best for us only

Yeah but if Goff and Wentz are gone at 7 I have to imagine we keep Kap and hope he balls out next year then trade him for a 2nd....

Apr 2, 2016 at 2:13 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I would say the trade won't happen until the draft around #7 pick if we are targeting a QB and he falls to 7 then pull the trigger on the trade.

Ideally they would reach a deal ahead of time and not announce it until the 49ers are on the clock but I don't know how realistic that is.

Yeah. I'm sure Clady is going to be shopped for a 3rd rounder to someone and then turn around and give up the 3rd to us for Kap

Apr 2, 2016 at 2:13 PM

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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Yeah but if Goff and Wentz are gone at 7 I have to imagine we keep Kap and hope he balls out next year then trade him for a 2nd....

Yup. Unlike others I ain't worried if Kap fails and sulks because what difference does it make us anyway. DEN needs this deal so they should have to pay the premium just as anyone else would or we keep the merchandise. We got closet space in the back for the overstock

Apr 2, 2016 at 2:14 PM

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Originally posted by Pillbusta:
I like you last sentence. They have a demand we have a supply. We in turn need to demand what it takes to supply them. Nothing more nothing less

One side needs the other. No matter how in demand something might be, it won't sell if the price is astronomical. Both sides have to compromise and I think that compromise will ultimately be a 3rd round pick and a conditional future pick.

Its the best that the 49ers will do for an asset that is greatly diminished in value.

[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Apr 2, 2016 at 2:14 PM ]

Apr 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM

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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Yeah but if Goff and Wentz are gone at 7 I have to imagine we keep Kap and hope he balls out next year then trade him for a 2nd....

If they aren't prepared to commit to him, he won't see the field at all. Imagine if he goes out and gets injured and now they are on the hook for $15 mil in 2017?

Apr 2, 2016 at 2:18 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Yeah but if Goff and Wentz are gone at 7 I have to imagine we keep Kap and hope he balls out next year then trade him for a 2nd....

If they aren't prepared to commit to him, he won't see the field at all. Imagine if he goes out and gets injured and now they are on the hook for $15 mil in 2017?

True won't argue there is a huge risk playing Kap. But if we have him sit out a year his value will drop like RG3 to a point where we just cut him. But my gambling addiction is all about risk and not thinking about the downside until it smacks me in the face

Apr 2, 2016 at 2:19 PM

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We will see and hear the "he's staying and competing" stories next week after Chip talks with him

Apr 2, 2016 at 2:20 PM

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Originally posted by Sims19849ers:
We will see and hear the "he's staying and competing" stories next week after Chip talks with him

this.

Apr 2, 2016 at 2:22 PM

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Originally posted by Sims19849ers:
We will see and hear the "he's staying and competing" stories next week after Chip talks with him

The only thing that is leaking is stuff Baalke wants leaked from what I have seen. Just read we are looking at an ACC WR for the number 7 pick...Boyd? I hope it's a smokescreen

Apr 2, 2016 at 2:24 PM

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Originally posted by Sims19849ers:
We will see and hear the "he's staying and competing" stories next week after Chip talks with him

Until he gets traded to Denver a few weeks after. If the 49ers wanted Kaepernick to stay, they would never have given Kaepernick permission to openly have fireside chats with Elway. Dude is Outie 5000, its just a matter of getting his contract reworked,

Apr 2, 2016 at 2:29 PM

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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by Sims19849ers:
We will see and hear the "he's staying and competing" stories next week after Chip talks with him

The only thing that is leaking is stuff Baalke wants leaked from what I have seen. Just read we are looking at an ACC WR for the number 7 pick...Boyd? I hope it's a smokescreen

It is a smokescreen. There isn't an ACC WR worth a 1st round pick

Apr 2, 2016 at 2:30 PM

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Originally posted by Sims19849ers:
It is a smokescreen. There isn't an ACC WR worth a 1st round pick

Hater.

Apr 2, 2016 at 2:30 PM

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ESPN is reporting that Niners and Broncos have come to an agreement on a trade for Kaepernick.