EDGE Kemoko Turay

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
Love it! Lynch doing a good job of filling up all the positions so we can go BPA with our draft picks

Oh god, not the BPA guys again. This just never seems to end. Lynch and Shanny have never drafted BPA, nor will they this draft season, or ever. NO NFL team drafts that way, save for the Cowgirls. Teams don't spend millions on whole scouting departments and reginal personnel, film study, travel, etc., only to draft BPA. Lynch and Shanny have specific plans for every player they draft. That don't jive well with a BPA approach, which I think is just plain lazy.

Elijah Mitchell was BPA
George Kittle was BPA
The 49ers said they never thought that either of them would be available there, but they were BPA so they took them

Everyone drafts BPA within an area of need, some more than others

Elijah and Kittle were not BPA. Both Kittle and Mitchell were on Shanny's radar for a while before they were drafted. Shanny stated on more than a few occasions that Kittle was a far better pass catcher than the league was giving credit for. And it was for that reason they figured he'd be available. Mitchell was on his radar because he fit Shanny's scheme better than Trey Sermon.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Deebo:
^^ kinda ghey

if it would be ann coulter or jodi arias in that video. that would be awesome!!!

Damn CC, you into necrophilia or somethin?

Hurtin and desperate af

Originally posted by Andra:
Can this thread get moved to niners talk now ?

Yes I believe it should. Instead of starting a whole new thread it's good to see how people felt about the prospect during the draft process til now as a member of the team.

I like this signing...Turay looks like he's ready to become a bigger contributor. I do think they may still draft 1 Edge guy, but I like the depth we have now. I'm all for Mack's successor and an OT in case McGlinchey's not ready. It won't surprise me to see a DT taken if they feel strongly about him. Again, though, good depth along the DL, particularly with Kinlaw returning and don't overlook Hassan Ridgeway's capabilities. Very versatile DT.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I have the following making the team.

DE(6): Bosa, Ebukam, Hyder, Omenihu, Willis, & Turay
IDL(4): AA, Kinlaw, Ridgeway, & Givens

If we keep 11, then Hurst makes it, or if they draft someone.

That's exactly what I have. Hurst is on the bubble unless we like him better than Ridgeway

If we go wth AB's 10 or 11 with Hurst, it seems unlikely that BPA at #61 for DT is not very likely. If he is a sure fire guaranteed stud…he won't be sitting there at #61. Looks like more and more it's gonna be OL first…hopefully OG or OG/C . Some want an OT but OTs we got…McK, Brun, moore, possibly even McG…but OGs? Not so much.

Of the 3 missing pieces, we have brot in:

CBs, Ss…check

DE… check

So at #61 we still need a starter OG. It looks like that is where F.O is headed.

What makes you think a guard drafted at the end of the 2nd round can beat out any of the current starters?

True, you just don't come in this mofo and beat out Brunskill

no idea who he is, but hes 49er now so LETS GO!

Originally posted by raywm3:
I love how everyone gets excited when we sign second rate players. Pfft. Big deal

You haven't noticed what happens to them? Check out Key last year.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
Love it! Lynch doing a good job of filling up all the positions so we can go BPA with our draft picks

Oh god, not the BPA guys again. This just never seems to end. Lynch and Shanny have never drafted BPA, nor will they this draft season, or ever. NO NFL team drafts that way, save for the Cowgirls. Teams don't spend millions on whole scouting departments and reginal personnel, film study, travel, etc., only to draft BPA. Lynch and Shanny have specific plans for every player they draft. That don't jive well with a BPA approach, which I think is just plain lazy.

Elijah Mitchell was BPA
George Kittle was BPA
The 49ers said they never thought that either of them would be available there, but they were BPA so they took them

Everyone drafts BPA within an area of need, some more than others

Elijah and Kittle were not BPA. Both Kittle and Mitchell were on Shanny's radar for a while before they were drafted. Shanny stated on more than a few occasions that Kittle was a far better pass catcher than the league was giving credit for. And it was for that reason they figured he'd be available. Mitchell was on his radar because he fit Shanny's scheme better than Trey Sermon.

Not to butt in, but I think you're kind of saying the same thing different ways…

Kittle and Mitchell were BPA in the sense that when a team picks a guy… that's what they're saying. This is the best player that we can possibly pick for our team at this particular spot… of course as the coach and staff they have a plan for that player that's involved in a whole larger plan that we on the outside can only speculate about

Originally posted by 91til:
Not to butt in, but I think you're kind of saying the same thing different ways…

Kittle and Mitchell were BPA in the sense that when a team picks a guy… that's what they're saying. This is the best player that we can possibly pick for our team at this particular spot… of course as the coach and staff they have a plan for that player that's involved in a whole larger plan that we on the outside can only speculate about

Absolutely right. It was BPA all the way. They were quoted as saying they had higher round grades for both of them.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I have the following making the team.

DE(6): Bosa, Ebukam, Hyder, Omenihu, Willis, & Turay
IDL(4): AA, Kinlaw, Ridgeway, & Givens

If we keep 11, then Hurst makes it, or if they draft someone.

That's exactly what I have. Hurst is on the bubble unless we like him better than Ridgeway

If we go wth AB's 10 or 11 with Hurst, it seems unlikely that BPA at #61 for DT is not very likely. If he is a sure fire guaranteed stud…he won't be sitting there at #61. Looks like more and more it's gonna be OL first…hopefully OG or OG/C . Some want an OT but OTs we got…McK, Brun, moore, possibly even McG…but OGs? Not so much.

Of the 3 missing pieces, we have brot in:

CBs, Ss…check

DE… check

So at #61 we still need a starter OG. It looks like that is where F.O is headed.

What makes you think a guard drafted at the end of the 2nd round can beat out any of the current starters?

Right now we have no OL who is a designated OG starter, but we have 4 guys who have played OT…Jaylon Moore, Brun, McK, and McG. Brun has played a lot at RG, had a great game against Ram's Donald, but was out of place at OG, and is really an OT. . Banks is our hopeful LG but has not won the job yet, , and we have no bona fide candidate at RG.

Brun can play OG, but he isn't great. Hopefully in this draft heavy with OLs, we find one OG or OG/C who could start.

Re: your question "what makes you think an OG drafted at end of 2nd rd can beat out our current starters"…basically we have no OG starters at present, and same question applies to Edge, CB, S, and so on. You are correct , there is no way to know…but "hope springs eternal", as the saying goes.

Originally posted by 91til:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
Love it! Lynch doing a good job of filling up all the positions so we can go BPA with our draft picks

Oh god, not the BPA guys again. This just never seems to end. Lynch and Shanny have never drafted BPA, nor will they this draft season, or ever. NO NFL team drafts that way, save for the Cowgirls. Teams don't spend millions on whole scouting departments and reginal personnel, film study, travel, etc., only to draft BPA. Lynch and Shanny have specific plans for every player they draft. That don't jive well with a BPA approach, which I think is just plain lazy.

Elijah Mitchell was BPA
George Kittle was BPA
The 49ers said they never thought that either of them would be available there, but they were BPA so they took them

Everyone drafts BPA within an area of need, some more than others

Elijah and Kittle were not BPA. Both Kittle and Mitchell were on Shanny's radar for a while before they were drafted. Shanny stated on more than a few occasions that Kittle was a far better pass catcher than the league was giving credit for. And it was for that reason they figured he'd be available. Mitchell was on his radar because he fit Shanny's scheme better than Trey Sermon.

Not to butt in, but I think you're kind of saying the same thing different ways…

Kittle and Mitchell were BPA in the sense that when a team picks a guy… that's what they're saying. This is the best player that we can possibly pick for our team at this particular spot… of course as the coach and staff they have a plan for that player that's involved in a whole larger plan that we on the outside can only speculate about

No, I don't think we're saying the same thing. I'm not an NFL coach, but I've been a coach at the elementary (currently), high school (current), and college level for the better part of 15 years. Along with being a current coach I spend a great deal of time scouting (paid) during the off-season. Trust me, teams spend a great deal of time, money, and effort in compiling the list of players they want to not only draft, but pick up as rookie FA. Teams dedicate entire departments that span nation wide, with easily 50,or even 100 (or more) individuals that work all year around.

Trust me, Lynch isn't picking up Kemoko Turay or other FA's so they can go BPA in the draft. IMHO, BPA logic disrespects the work and untold, tireless hours these teams put in with scouting, field and film study. Kemoko Turay fills a real to have a respectable EDGE rusher opposite of Bosa that will force teams to pick their poison. We had that with Ford. But in no way was his signing so we can just pick the best player that falls to us.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by raywm3:
I love how everyone gets excited when we sign second rate players. Pfft. Big deal

You haven't noticed what happens to them? Check out Key last year.

And Kerry Hyder the year before last year and Damontre Moore the year before that.

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by raywm3:
I love how everyone gets excited when we sign second rate players. Pfft. Big deal

You haven't noticed what happens to them? Check out Key last year.

And Kerry Hyder the year before last year and Damontre Moore the year before that.

Every team does because that's the only way they can fill out the roster when you have a few players making $15 million or more. Thirty percent of all players are undrafted but they all contribute in some way.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
No, I don't think we're saying the same thing. I'm not an NFL coach, but I've been a coach at the elementary (currently), high school (current), and college level for the better part of 15 years. Along with being a current coach I spend a great deal of time scouting (paid) during the off-season. Trust me, teams spend a great deal of time, money, and effort in compiling the list of players they want to not only draft, but pick up as rookie FA. Teams dedicate entire departments that span nation wide, with easily 50,or even 100 (or more) individuals that work all year around.

Trust me, Lynch isn't picking up Kemoko Turay or other FA's so they can go BPA in the draft. IMHO, BPA logic disrespects the work and untold, tireless hours these teams put in with scouting, field and film study. Kemoko Turay fills a real to have a respectable EDGE rusher opposite of Bosa that will force teams to pick their poison. We had that with Ford. But in no way was his signing so we can just pick the best player that falls to us.

Agreed. But with his signing, now at #61, if there is equivalent talent at Edge, CB, and OG (or OG/C) , we now have added CBs, Ss, and Turay (EDGE) so that our BPA NEED is OG. I think they signed Turay for the reason you mentioned (talent/quality), and not just so we can go OG at #61.

But, by his signing, F.O has now filled 2 of our 3 desperate needs, leaving only OG. After that, we can go whole hog BPA in that we would have fulfilled our immediate needs. However , if there were a Bosa-like EDGE sitting at #61, yes we would most likely take him. Slim chance of that , tho.

I do think we get another OG or OG/C in rd 5, but he would have to be BPA with CB, S, Edge, WR (burner).

Just b/c we signed guys doesn't mean they have filled these holes. These players might not pan out. I think everybody is overthinking these signings. I don't think they dictate who they will draft. Your draft board should be your draft board. If they got a pass rusher rated highly then they should take him instead of a random guard just b/c it's a need.