Lets settle this talk once and for all. QB Topic

Teams with successful passing offenses give up more total yardage because the other team gets the ball more often. If the team is a good scoring team the other team is motivated to score too because they are behind. That figures into total yardage stats on defense.

Anyway, teams with crappy defenses get into the playoffs because nfl league structiure encourages mediocrity and regionalization. nobody argues that.

Interesting stats

The problem I have with comparing Gabbert with Kaep is that our O Line has sucked all year and until it doesn't leak I cannot properly assess Gabbert.

Gabbert appears better but Kaep might have just been having a form slump accentuated by the worst O Line in the league this year.

there is no "Once and for all" Sunday... come on man you know that.

You are set in your ways.

I'll give you credit for putting alot of time in that post.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
there is no "Once and for all" Sunday... come on man you know that.

You are set in your ways.

I'll give you credit for putting alot of time in that post.

It is all relative to who is in the zoo on game day huh?

Now not trying to argue either way, but it's a dangerous game to base a passing game solely on net yards. We had two seasons ('12 & '13) in which our net yards per attempt was in the top 10. Basically what kept us down towards the bottom was throwing the ball as seldom as we did.

Same goes for rushing. In 2011 we actually had the 19th rated ypc, but given how much we choose to run the ball it gave us the 8th rated attacked. Now Kap takes over in '12 and our ypc ranks goes to 3rd, 11th, & 4th respectively. No doubt he benefited from a good/great OL but his legs greatly help make that rushing attack what it was.

My take on Kap is he came in like lightening in 2012 taking advantage of a league not nearly ready to defense what his game entails (390 ypg offense). Crabs injury in May of '13 left us with one Legitimate NFL WR and Kap struggled for the first 10 or so games of '13 (308 ypg offense). However, when crabs came back the offense started to perform at a solid pace again (360ish ypg). It was at this point I remained confident at his prospects of being a franchise type guy. 2014 was the plateau and falling off point. Be it injuries to the OL, overall noise around the team or truly not being able to grasp the pro game the wheels fell off. 2015 is just a s**t show without a head coach and the entire teams performance reflects this.

Let me also say this about Kap, I would have loved to see a real QB guru get his hands on him. My choice would have been Mike Shanahan. Shanny has 2 decades of results of QBs havng their best performances under him. QB guys have a way of ironing out mechanics and tailoring game plans to help QBs succeed. If Kap failed under him for example then you could feel pretty secure moving on.

You need a good coach with good coordinators. Period.

yeah looking at total yardage can be very misleading. team can be top ranked run because passing stinks (see us). so they run more than anyone else has to.

one of my favorite teams 94 niners probably the best offensive team in modern football but there were no stats to reflect their effectiveness. games over 10 minutes into 3q. no stats for that. largest most consistent yards per play. no stats for that.

stats dont always tell the story.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

yeah looking at total yardage can be very misleading. team can be top ranked run because passing stinks (see us). so they run more than anyone else has to.

one of my favorite teams 94 niners probably the best offensive team in modern football but there were no stats to reflect their effectiveness. games over 10 minutes into 3q. no stats for that. largest most consistent yards per play. no stats for that.

stats dont always tell the story.

1994 was the best offense IMO as well. It's 379 ypg doesn't tell the whole story. However it was 1st in first downs, net pass yards per attempt and pass Tds. The game in Atlanta that year was that offense in a nutshell. Steve was 15 for 16 for like 145 yards and 4 Tds in the first half. Doesn't take another snap and we finish with 281 total yards because the game was over at half time. Some nuts numbers on the 1994 team surrounds Steve. He had the following that year:

- a 141 QB rating on third down
- a 119 QB rating in the red zone
- a 27 to zero TD to int ratio in the red zone
- completed 77% of his passes on the road
- the 14 games (including playoffs)following the philly game blowout had Steve throwing 35 Tds and only 3 ints

These stats have always had me holding the opinion that 1994 was the best offense I've saw.


Sorry to derail

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Teams with successful passing offenses give up more total yardage because the other team gets the ball more often. If the team is a good scoring team the other team is motivated to score too because they are behind. That figures into total yardage stats on defense.

Anyway, teams with crappy defenses get into the playoffs because nfl league structiure encourages mediocrity and regionalization. nobody argues that.

Jesus Christ you're a whiney child. Go to bed 2 hours earlier and think before you post. You and about 5 other posters would learn a lot if you thought before you typed and then hit the post reply button.

Rational thoughts are becoming fewer and farther between on this site.

Which is why I will continue to insist that we need to draft a QB in the 1st next draft .

Tldr

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

What does Richard Sherman and the Seahawks have to do with this thread?

I think you need to look at attempts as well not just passing yards...SF was build as a running team that wanted to control the clock and pay sound defense.

Look at Roman in buffalo they are ranked 28th in passing yards (also one of the lowest teams in the league in attempts) but are 3rd in th league in rushing...sound familiar??

I'm not for or against Kap/Gabbert but it starts with coaching staff and the players as a whole on the offensive side.