Week 11 2015: Thoughts after rewatching the game...

Originally posted by Kolohe:

3) Tomsula: Yeah...I'm kinda done. I love the guy, but he isn't a HC (not that this is exactly earth-shattering news). WAY too conservative at the end of the game, and this wasn't the first time. My fear is that Jed will blame this season on all of the offseason losses and give Tomsula another year. I have never bought into the "York won't fire him because of his ego to admit his move failed", but I DO buy into the fact that Jed has liked Tomsula for a long time and doesn't want to pull the carpet out from under a guy he loves. As many others have suggested in the past, Dave Campo in Dallas is who this reminds me of.

I think Tomsula could have been a decent caretaker of a great team that was still intact, but he's just not the guy to rebuild it.

Kaepernick and Gabbert saved Tomsula's job IMO. One) Kaepernick will be made the scapegoat to this horrid first half of the season. Two) Gabbert has shown this team can be somewhat competitive earning another year for Tomsula to keep working.

Being somewhat competitive shouldn't save your job. We want winners

Originally posted by Marvin49:
I will say this though...

...If Tomsula was really safe I think we'd be hearing more from Jed and Trent on the topic. Those guys WANT him to succeed in the worst way, so the silence from them might be damning.

Jed has only said they'd wait to the end of the year to assess. Is he just sidestepping the question? Is he really hoping Tomsula gives him a reason to keep him? Does he already know a change needs to be made but doesn't want to fire him mid-season.

The only thing I can be assured of here is that Jed can't win no matter what he does.

If he keeps Tomsula the fanbase will revolt and Jed will be accused of being cheap or having to big an ego to fire him. If Jed does fire him the national media will suddenly paint Tomsula as the victim of bad ownership who never gave him a chance to succeed.

Such is the NFL.

Yes. I don't agree with the general perception around here that Jed just sits in an ivory tower and doesn't care about the results. I think the results burn him. I think he will do what it takes to turn the team around, but that he isn't entirely sure yet what that will take. I think that Tomsula is on very thin ice, and I agree with Marv and most others that he is out of his depth. I see no reason to believe that he will suddenly see the light next year and consequently, I think this will be his only year as our HC. Genuinely decent man, and from that angle I will be sorry to see him go. But go, in my opinion, he probably must. The team is going out badly prepared and with the wrong players in key positions.

But you are right. Whatever Jed does about it will be wrong. In the short term.

The fact that Tomsula chooses to punt on 4th and 7 with 5 minutes left in a two possession game validates Jason Cole's report. Tomsula is concerned with how much the team loses by, not going all out for a win. He knows that he can coast into a job next year as long as the team doesn't get embarrassed TOO much. Its sad that a 16 point loss might be a relief to the coach. They looked respectable in getting their ass kicked in the 2nd half.

English and Marvin, Jed created this situation. He hired Tomsula because he's a pushover and a yes man. And a "genuinely decent man" which doesn't mean s**t relative to being a good coach.

Jason Cole credibility, right down there. Way down.

And Sac I see no problem with him being a genuinely decent man. Show me where I implied that this equates in any way to coaching skills. In my view York hired him as a reaction to Harbaugh's abrasive interpersonal skills. I don't think York was looking for a yes man or a pushover, although I know Ninertalk now accepts this as gospel.

Originally posted by sacniner:
The fact that Tomsula chooses to punt on 4th and 7 with 5 minutes left in a two possession game validates Jason Cole's report. Tomsula is concerned with how much the team loses by, not going all out for a win. He knows that he can coast into a job next year as long as the team doesn't get embarrassed TOO much. Its sad that a 16 point loss might be a relief to the coach. They looked respectable in getting their ass kicked in the 2nd half.

English and Marvin, Jed created this situation. He hired Tomsula because he's a pushover and a yes man. And a "genuinely decent man" which doesn't mean s**t relative to being a good coach.

Never said otherwise.

Originally posted by English:
Jason Cole credibility, right down there. Way down.

And Sac I see no problem with him being a genuinely decent man. Show me where I implied that this equates in any way to coaching skills. In my view York hired him as a reaction to Harbaugh's abrasive interpersonal skills. I don't think York was looking for a yes man or a pushover, although I know Ninertalk now accepts this as gospel.

LOL. Yeah, Cole was the one who said Willis was considering unretiring.

Couldn't agree more on the "gospel" comment.

Look, Jed f*cked up. No getting around it. No excusing it. That isn't the goal here. The question here, and it's an important one, is WHY he f*cked up.

Did he scrap the team for the sake of $$$? Did he just get tired of fighting with Harbaugh? I think those are really lazy interpretations and are only methods to find an easy scapegoat to a not so easy situation.

It wasn't just management that had tired of Harbaugh. The players had as well. It wasn't going to continue to work. So why Tomsula? Jed has loved the guy from the start. When asked about Tomsula when Harbaugh was hired Jeds response was that it would be Harbaughs decision and that he hoped Harbaugh loved Tomsula as much as the organization did. It's not because he's a "yes man"...its because the organization has a very, very high opinion of him.

Even though it isn't popular to say around here. Jed WANTS to win. He wants it BAD. The problem is what it takes to get there. What I fault Jed for more than anything else was thinking that Tomsula could take on this job because he thought so much of him. IMO, Jed genuinely thought Tomsula would be great for the team...and in one aspect, he was right. The weight of Harbaughs presense was lifted and the players were happy...until the losses started to pile up.

While everyone points to Tomsula as the reason they are losing, do we all think the team would be THAT much better with Harbaugh this year? They were 8-8 LAST year and now they'd be down Gore, Iupati, Willis, Aldon, Anthony Davis, Justin Smith, and a host of others.

I want a new HC next year, but I think the kneejerk reactions that Jed is the devil are way overblown. Fault him for his decisions, but not for his motivations.

Short and sweet.

Defense - Everyone sucked (sans Lynch). That is the best effort they could give after a bye week? The tackling would make a Pop Warner coach cringe. Three 49ers getting trucked at the goal line by the 150 lb Lockette? Pathetic!

Pinion - He could still improve, but this guy is not living up to the rep he had coming to the 49ers. He is an avg to below avg punter at best. No hang time, but at lest he kicks short to make up for it ... lol. I just expect the opposing team to always be starting around the 40 yd line these days.

OL in general and Pears specifically - Do I even need to elaborate on the suckage? It is hard to imagine Pears pass pro being any worse if he was actually trying on purpose.

Coaching - Am I the only one that thinks Tomsula (this staff) is just playing not to lose by too much? They sure as hell aren't coaching to win, taking chances when they need to. Geep playcalling inside the 20 ... run, run, checkdown 10 yds short of the stick. I am starting to come to the side of the 'wholesale change' contingent of posters here. This is simply embarrassing.

Did anyone here ever think that they would see a game when Gabbert and McDonald were the two offensive stars of the game. LOLOLOLOLOL

Originally posted by English:
Jason Cole credibility, right down there. Way down.

And Sac I see no problem with him being a genuinely decent man. Show me where I implied that this equates in any way to coaching skills. In my view York hired him as a reaction to Harbaugh's abrasive interpersonal skills. I don't think York was looking for a yes man or a pushover, although I know Ninertalk now accepts this as gospel.

By abrasive interpersonal skills, does that mean the complete opposite of a yes man to the front office? Its well documented the differences and issues Jed and Harbaugh had. I agree with you, Jed wanted the opposite of that. Maybe yes man is mean, and you can say "Ninertalk accepts this" to make it seem non creditable, but you actually agree. Jed hired Tomsula because he's easy to handle. Especially compared to Harbaugh who is the opposite.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by English:
Jason Cole credibility, right down there. Way down.

And Sac I see no problem with him being a genuinely decent man. Show me where I implied that this equates in any way to coaching skills. In my view York hired him as a reaction to Harbaugh's abrasive interpersonal skills. I don't think York was looking for a yes man or a pushover, although I know Ninertalk now accepts this as gospel.

LOL. Yeah, Cole was the one who said Willis was considering unretiring.

All these guys hit and miss. But his blurb about Tomsula doesn't sound far fetched at all.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by English:
Jason Cole credibility, right down there. Way down.

And Sac I see no problem with him being a genuinely decent man. Show me where I implied that this equates in any way to coaching skills. In my view York hired him as a reaction to Harbaugh's abrasive interpersonal skills. I don't think York was looking for a yes man or a pushover, although I know Ninertalk now accepts this as gospel.

LOL. Yeah, Cole was the one who said Willis was considering unretiring.

All these guys hit and miss. But his blurb about Tomsula doesn't sound far fetched at all.

hit and miss, pick and choose

Even if Seattle wasn't playing that hard of defense, you got to be impressed with Gabbert on his 2nd start after not playing for a couple years

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by English:
Jason Cole credibility, right down there. Way down.

And Sac I see no problem with him being a genuinely decent man. Show me where I implied that this equates in any way to coaching skills. In my view York hired him as a reaction to Harbaugh's abrasive interpersonal skills. I don't think York was looking for a yes man or a pushover, although I know Ninertalk now accepts this as gospel.

By abrasive interpersonal skills, does that mean the complete opposite of a yes man to the front office? Its well documented the differences and issues Jed and Harbaugh had. I agree with you, Jed wanted the opposite of that. Maybe yes man is mean, and you can say "Ninertalk accepts this" to make it seem non creditable, but you actually agree. Jed hired Tomsula because he's easy to handle. Especially compared to Harbaugh who is the opposite.

No. Abrasive interpersonal skills are NOT the opposite to a yes man. You never met an one with good interpersonal skills? They do not have to be yes men. This is how you get on with people, not whether you have backbone.

I don't think York hired Tomsula because he was easy to handle, and on re-reading, that was not what I said.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

10) Kap: I hadn't commented on the Kap situation before because I really didn't know what to make of it all. Now that he's on IR, I figured I'd comment. To me, the whole situation is a great big waste. Say what you want about Kap making reads, missing open receivers, etc, the dude is talented. HUGE talent. Maybe nobody is capable of utilizing it and maybe it requires somebody the 49ers haven't hired. I don't know. What kills me the most though is that I can see hgim going someplace else and becoming the QB we all want him to be. I'm not saying that's a guarantee, but that would drive me nuts.

What's more is that he's not a Michael Vick who was too lazy to improve. He's not a Randall Cunningham who fell in love with the celebrity and wouldn't work at his craft. Kap WORKS...but SOMETHING just isn't clicking. He isn't that same QB who wowed us all in 2012 and I don't know what happened. Did the league catch up? Did he regress? Was he never as good as we thought? Maybe all of those and maybe none of them. Dunno.

What I do know though is that if his time is truly done in SF, its a bummer. The guy really wanted it and worked for it.

Moreover, it means we are all the way back to pre-2011...one of the 20+ teams in the league who have a big ? at the most important position in professional sports. That's a crappy spot to be in.

How much "work" is he putting in if he's not working on mechanics and fundamentals, as he said publicly he wasn't big on?

Originally posted by English:
No. Abrasive interpersonal skills are NOT the opposite to a yes man. You never met an one with good interpersonal skills? They do not have to be yes men. This is how you get on with people, not whether you have backbone.

I don't think York hired Tomsula because he was easy to handle, and on re-reading, that was not what I said.

Okay, got you. So, you think York hired Tomsula because of his interpersonal skills (I'm assuming exceptional interpersonal skills). We can agree to disagree. Bay Area reporters who are more in the know than us fans have said Gase was the Niners guy until they commanded him to hire Tomsula as the DC. Gase wanted Fangio so they make Tomsula the head coach.

Just sounds like they wanted someone who wouldn't disobey, especially after Harbs. But we can agree to disagree.

I mean, why the hell would they hire Tomsula? Based on what? Just his amazing interpersonal skills? Sounds like BS.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by English:
No. Abrasive interpersonal skills are NOT the opposite to a yes man. You never met an one with good interpersonal skills? They do not have to be yes men. This is how you get on with people, not whether you have backbone.

I don't think York hired Tomsula because he was easy to handle, and on re-reading, that was not what I said.

Okay, got you. So, you think York hired Tomsula because of his interpersonal skills (I'm assuming exceptional interpersonal skills). We can agree to disagree. Bay Area reporters who are more in the know than us fans have said Gase was the Niners guy until they commanded him to hire Tomsula as the DC. Gase wanted Fangio so they make Tomsula the head coach.

Just sounds like they wanted someone who wouldn't disobey, especially after Harbs. But we can agree to disagree.

I mean, why the hell would they hire Tomsula? Based on what? Just his amazing interpersonal skills? Sounds like BS.

They should have learned from Mike Nolan to not pick a guy just because he obeys (reason for Nolan getting Alex).