we should play to win at all costs or lose for higher draft pick | Page 2

boast · 2015-11-09T11:29:22-08:00

i see a lot posters who are mad we won yesterday because it messed up a chance at a higher pick. do you prefer losing for higher draft placement? OR fostering a culture of winning, especially in a young team like ours? remember, almost every coach will preach the first step to being a great team is learning how to win.

Nov 9, 2015 at 11:47 AM

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crake49
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Fostering a culture of winning is much, much more important than draft position.

Nov 9, 2015 at 11:49 AM

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communist
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Originally posted by OldMort49:
Baalke would trade the top pick for two 3rd rounders and a 7th in 2017.

right, Baalke built up a history of bad trades...

Nov 9, 2015 at 11:51 AM

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crake49
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Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by OldMort49:
Baalke would trade the top pick for two 3rd rounders and a 7th in 2017.
right, Baalke built up a history of bad trades...

I may be way off on this, but I don't think Baalke's going to be trading down this next draft. The team is not in an 'add depth' position now. The team needs impact players.

Nov 9, 2015 at 11:52 AM

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NorthBay49er
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Just play, whatever happens, happens

Nov 9, 2015 at 11:52 AM

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49AllTheTime
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before this game, everyone was mad that we were losing.

WTF people

Nov 9, 2015 at 11:53 AM

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RishikeshA
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The NFL more than other sports is a right now league. Winning is the goal. Some teams are drafting top 10 every year and they're still losing. Just Win Baby.

Nov 9, 2015 at 11:54 AM

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boast
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
before this game, everyone was mad that we were losing.

WTF people

i know, right?!?!

Nov 9, 2015 at 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by stud85:
I say win, but its tough to see better talented teams snatching top end players before us. 2011 draft for example, missed out on Julio, PP, because we won the last game. Oh yeah, it was Tomsula's interim game.

Yeah but do you think the Cards would rather have Peterson or JJ Watt right?

They got a chance to draft one of the best can't miss prospect for that year. There where alot in the top 6. Every one was blinded and missed on Watt, including us. Yes we got Aldon and he was great, but wouldn't you mind having a shutdown corner or a legit #1 receiver now?

Nov 9, 2015 at 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by stud85:
They got a chance to draft one of the best can't miss prospect for that year. There where alot in the top 6. Every one was blinded and missed on Watt, including us. Yes we got Aldon and he was great, but wouldn't you mind having a shutdown corner or a legit #1 receiver now?

Yet the best player in the draft went after both of them. The point is that good talent will be there, wherever they pick. Id love to see them get Tunsil or Nkemdiche but would not be upset to end up with Jaylon Smith or Treadwell.

Nov 9, 2015 at 12:01 PM

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mayo49
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Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
Just play, whatever happens, happens

Yeah, none of us have a say in the matter anyways.

Nov 9, 2015 at 12:03 PM

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susweel
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Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
Just play, whatever happens, happens

Yeah, none of us have a say in the matter anyways.

Maybe if we all cheer with the same power level they will win.

Nov 9, 2015 at 12:09 PM

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Does winning one or two additional games keep the current staff employed?

Not firing these idiots and losing out on premiere talent would really suck.

[ Edited by jreff22 on Nov 9, 2015 at 12:11 PM ]

Nov 9, 2015 at 12:09 PM

#28

SMAUG
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Originally posted by LaMattsBlue:
This shouldn't even be a question.

It shouldn't be a question. A team that doesn't do its best to win every game shouldn't be in the league, and fans who would rather throw games away this season to rort the system for next season aren't really fans of the team or the game

Nov 9, 2015 at 12:20 PM

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You play to win always. In practice, in preseason and on every play let alone every game. The draft is important but so is free agency. There's only X amount of dollars in the salary cap era so when the dollars are close things like competitiveness play a huge role in making people's decisions. The stink of loser is hard to get rid of. The pats are a good example once they were competitive through sheer dumb luck into drafting Brady look at the guys they got through FA and trades- Randy Moss who happily restructured his contract, Corey Dillon, Rodney Harrison to name a few. Hell let's look at the cards perpetual failures for 40 odd years until recently. they signed one of the best LT's to hit FA in recent years and are able to sign solid vets on cheap 1 year prove it deals to top it off they're resigning their younger core players.

Nov 9, 2015 at 12:21 PM

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To me I want to see us win games and think that is more important than draft position just because the draft is such a crap shoot anyways. However, winning games might be detrimental to our long term success because it may mean that Tomsula is kept around longer. In my opinion, he MUST be fired after this year. There is no future with Tomsula as our head coach. I don't ever see him being a successful head coach in the NFL.