Week 9 2015: Thoughts after rewatching the game...

Afrikan, you don't really believe that we are thinking Gab is going to win in SEA, do you? Or rather, you are expecting that? I would be happy if the team looks good, nobody is afraid of the seahawks, and that we play well and with poise. Do that, and Win, Lose or Draw, we win. Notice how the entire team rallied, with a new QB? Even the D, who have looked awful, played well. Oddly, mangini finally called a good game. I don't expect gab to win in SEA but I do expect him to play well, get the ball gone, do good reads, no staredowns, be accurate, throw before the breaks....you know the story. If he did all that and we lose, I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with a coach, a team a Qb, that don't look like they wanted to be on the same field with SEA. I saw none of that yesterday....and that alone, is progress.

As for is gab the answer? Who knows. Let him play it out til season ends and then, maybe we will know. Whatever, it is a lot better than we have had 7 of the first 9 weeks.

And English....if JT were to start Kap over gab, there would be a revolt. JT would completely lose the locker room, team and any standing he has gained to date...little as it is.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Tomsula is also trying to hold his job.

The best players need to play.

Tomsula is not making the decisions. If he was Devey would have benched after the first two weeks.

Originally posted by socalniner:

Kap basically killed that one drive. Bullsit Gab had to come out

This is true

Originally posted by Afrikan:

I posted that Gabbert should have a good first half, mainly by getting ris of the ball earlier. But I was curious to see how he was going to do in the second half when the Falcons tried to adjust.

in the second half Gabbert was 5-9 for 55 yards..and 2INTs.

now obviously that should be 6-9 for 75 yards and 1INT if Simpson just caught that perfect pass.

and I don't know how many lost yardage there was because of drops in the 2nd half compared to the first.

but let's go with that 75 yards number. I'm worried about how a great Seattle defense would adjust...in comparison to that Falcons defense.

now it goes both ways. Gabbert might have been rusty, first start in 2 years. He was missing Hyde and Boldin, who he might get back.....and we'll have two weeks to prepare for the Seahawks. And maybe Geep will have something up his sleave that Roman and Harbs didn't try.

other side of it is, we are playing IN Seattle...it's going to be loud and the Seahawks defense is going to want to punk Gabbert early on. Maybe we can use that against them.

but anyway, reason for this post is I see alot of folks getting excited for Gabbert (or just having a QB that got rid of the ball quick or hit his check downs) and that is understandable. But I'm curious to know how did he play in the second half....I think some are ignoring that. And how will that come into play these next few weeks versus better defenses.

Did the Falcons adjust to him or our offense? and if so what did they do? If Gabbert played the second half like he did the first half, I 100% believe that Dan Quinn would've went for it on 4th down late in the game. But he felt confident for a reason..I'm curious why.

First things first, I agree with you 100%. I also agree that Gabbert slowed down in the second half, I was hoping he would finish with another TD to erase all doubt.

The first INT he gets a pass on and he's fully responsible for the second INT though. I know it falls under the "ifs" and "buts" category, but if Gabbert gets the benefit of the good passes that were dropped, what does that bring his numbers to? It could be a lot more impressive.

All that being said, it's WAY TO EARLY to crown Gabbert in any way, but the improved QB play was refreshing to see and the win was great as well.

If Gabbert is anywhere near for real, we will all find out real fast when he is faced with Seattles defense.

We know Kap has struggled mightily, so if Gabbert wants to prove his worth, then nothing less than a great game with no INTs and a WIN is the only way he accomplishes that in my book.

one would think that NorthOak. But think also of Purcell, lit things up in PS. Brown is the heir apparent. Kap was played/psyched out, OL was a POS, and nowhere, no time did we see Brown, Purcell, Gab, Teller....we saw guys struggling, pears, martin, devey...kap...and no changes were made. That to me is a coach either loyal to a fault or a guy who makes the life saving decision after thinking about it for 3 weeks, long after the event is over. Now it may be JT just has trouble changing his mind, but to me, he is a guy who isn't interested in a fix if something is broken. Keeping failing players playing...that is a sign of a guy with no awareness....or inability to change his mind. Neither is good.

Gabbert
- He used his athleticism well to pick up some key yards
-He got rid of the ball quickly and made ANTICIPATORYthrows. KAP ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION. Sorry, just so tired of Kap not showing anticipation and throwing before breaks. The 2 passes that stood out to me was the "flat" (not sure on terminology) throw to Patton I believe and the 2nd TD to Celek
-I don't think he is the answer at QB but he has confidence and played well, let down by his WRs that really messed with his rhythm

-Celek - Wow great playing out there, some nice route running

-Simpson - ugh, cut this idiot

-Patton - nice to show the youngster make a few plays. Looks like a keeper as a depth WR.

Draughn - Reggie Bush who? Earned a backup job IMO, he made something out of nothing on a few plays

Right side of Line - Still played poorly but not as bad


On Defense, I thought our D-Line played well, Bowman played well, and Tartt played well.

But TBPH I think Atlanta just didn't show up. If we played Atlanta 5 times, they'd probably beat us 4 of the times. 49ers aren't an abysmal team so if a team doesn't respect us, we can win

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
one would think that NorthOak. But think also of Purcell, lit things up in PS. Brown is the heir apparent. Kap was played/psyched out, OL was a POS, and nowhere, no time did we see Brown, Purcell, Gab, Teller....we saw guys struggling, pears, martin, devey...kap...and no changes were made. That to me is a coach either loyal to a fault or a guy who makes the life saving decision after thinking about it for 3 weeks, long after the event is over. Now it may be JT just has trouble changing his mind, but to me, he is a guy who isn't interested in a fix if something is broken. Keeping failing players playing...that is a sign of a guy with no awareness....or inability to change his mind. Neither is good.

I don't believe Tomsula has the power. He was chosen to do whatever Baalke and York wants. I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but I feel Kap was left out to dry on purpose. I told everyone at work before the game that they would make changes to the oline for Gabbert's start. Kap hasn't played well, and you say it's because he is under pressure. Well the logical move would be to replace the worst lineman in the league correct? Glad we won, but this team makes some suspect decision.

Originally posted by Marvin49:
More fun to rewatch after a win....

1) Gabbert: OK, I have to admit I NEVER thought I's start a thread typing "1) Gabbert". How did he look? He looked like a guy who got his confidence back and didn't get a ton of pressure. He made some good throws as I'd expect from a guy selected at 10 in his draft. Physically, Gabberts always had the tools.

His issues have come when he sees pressure. It should be noted that Atlanta has an almost historically bad pass rush. I'm not jumping on the Gabbert bandwagon and I'd expect he gets the start vs Seattle and probably starts to look like Blaine Gabbert again.

Should be interesting though. :D



2) Celek: Vernon who? Yeah...Mr. "THEY are 2-6", guess what? Celek just did something you were NEVER able to do...run conventional TE patterns and be a QB best friend. Vernon was a physical freak and if you need a guy to run past a safety or a LB, he's your guy. If he need a guy to be an outlet and find open space in the middle of the field, Celek can be that guy.



3) Simpson: Dude. CATCH. THE. BALL.



4) Bowman: He's still not the same guy, but he seems to think about that knee less and less with every week. Really encouraged by him and looking forward to see how good he'll be NEXT year.



5) Droughns: OK, I don't want to overstate as Atlantas D isn't all that impressive (tho statistically good against the run), but Droughns put together some good runs there. Might be the slashing type back that can work in a backup role in a ZBS. At the very least, I'm intrigued.



6) Run D: Great performance against a guy who had put up 666 yards and 8 TDs in his last 6 games.



7) Tartt/Ward: Yeah....I don't think Bethea is getting his job back. Niners got a good one in in Tartt in round 2. For all the things people say about Ward...he had himself a nice game. He's always been undersized, but he plays fast and makes tackles...even on big bodied TEs.



8) CB: I gotta give a hand to Ward as I said above, but also Johnson, Cromartie and even Davis. Who the hell thought thay's play THAT well against Matt Ryan and Julio Jones? Yeah, they got some stats, but at the end of the say they gave up ONE TD, and it was to a RB. The kids played well.



9) O-Line: Really don't know what to make of it. Atlanta has a horrible pass rush. Still, they gave Gabbert time and they opened a few run lanes.



10) Do I want them to win?: I really hate this time of year with this kind of record. The answer is of course I want them to win. Of course THEY want to win...but does winning serve them in the long term? Does winning this game preclude them from taking a QB they may need later? Ugg. That's why I hate this. Mediocrity is the worst. Be bad enough to have a chance at the top of the draft to improve, or be a playoff team. Being mediocre breeds more mediocrity.

Totally get it. the Nners are sort of in that middle area. Unlike NBA, NFL is a roster 3X larger. That matters. a minor boost in the draft won't tend to give an NFL team a huge lift.. and you don't want to set back 30 guys on the team. Point is... in the NFL ,you don't go "full tank' unless you REALLY suck. Where the Niners are.. they ARE "build mode", but by that I mean, develop players. Do not TRY to lose, but.. do not expect a win is much use. It's tricky. Players and coaches INTEND to win...it's their careers on the line.

Originally posted by Ike49:
First things first, I agree with you 100%. I also agree that Gabbert slowed down in the second half, I was hoping he would finish with another TD to erase all doubt.

The first INT he gets a pass on and he's fully responsible for the second INT though. I know it falls under the "ifs" and "buts" category, but if Gabbert gets the benefit of the good passes that were dropped, what does that bring his numbers to? It could be a lot more impressive.

All that being said, it's WAY TO EARLY to crown Gabbert in any way, but the improved QB play was refreshing to see and the win was great as well.

If Gabbert is anywhere near for real, we will all find out real fast when he is faced with Seattles defense.

We know Kap has struggled mightily, so if Gabbert wants to prove his worth, then nothing less than a great game with no INTs and a WIN is the only way he accomplishes that in my book.

Can't be happy over..mediocre... but it beats LIABILITY. What Gab showed us.. is that the WHOLE team is not a hopeless wreck.

Get the sense you're a Kap camp kind of guy. Every time he stunk you'd say, "I'm not making any excuses but..." and then proceed to make excuses why Kap's poor play wasn't his fault. Here with Gabbert, you're doing the opposite "Gabbert did play a solid game but...Atlanta has a historically bad pass rush, etc. etc."

I agree it's too early to make a definitive call on Gabbert, who almost certainly will falter and show why he got the boot in JAX; however, I think we can all agree that at this stage in the game, as far as this season is concerned, Gabbert looked HEAPS better. Yes, Kap had a big game against Balt. but he still got sacked 3 times, made poor decisions, and misfired.

Originally posted by Marvin49:
More fun to rewatch after a win....

10) Do I want them to win?: I really hate this time of year with this kind of record. The answer is of course I want them to win. Of course THEY want to win...but does winning serve them in the long term? Does winning this game preclude them from taking a QB they may need later? Ugg. That's why I hate this. Mediocrity is the worst. Be bad enough to have a chance at the top of the draft to improve, or be a playoff team. Being mediocre breeds more mediocrity.

This is a very scary cycle we could be headed for. Gabber's is just good enough to make us mediocre, which in turn will save the job of the mediocre coaching staff and their neanderthal philosophy. Always happy to see the win, not so happy that we're a step closer to seeing Tomu on the sidelines again next season and getting further away from one of the difference makers in the draft.

Like your post Marvin, but their something I got to said.

1. Stop drinking the Kool Aid. Its only one game an people are already crowning Gabbert the savior. just watching the game I give him an B+ first half and D+ second half.


2. how is Mangini a disciple of Belichick. we go down an score to make it 17 to 6 with less than two minutes before the half. An what does he do on the first Atlanta offensive play he decides to cover their number 1 wr who in the slot with a linebacker. then two play later he has are best and only pass rusher covering their rb. so we go into the half 17 to 13.

3. As much people get on Martin. you can tell Devey was the weak link on this line. Glad to see Brown get some Rep.

4. Simpson we waited 6 weeks for this. Patton and Ellington should be getting more playing time then him now

5. Is it me but It seems like when A Armstead is there seem to be alot more push on the line. To bad this coaching staff will not see it and give him some more reps. he could be the Justin Smith to Lynch Aldon Smith.

6. Bowman think by the end of the season he will be back to being #1 inside LB

Originally posted by northoakland510:

I don't believe Tomsula has the power. He was chosen to do whatever Baalke and York wants. I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but I feel Kap was left out to dry on purpose. I told everyone at work before the game that they would make changes to the oline for Gabbert's start. Kap hasn't played well, and you say it's because he is under pressure. Well the logical move would be to replace the worst lineman in the league correct? Glad we won, but this team makes some suspect decision.

Originally posted by northoakland510:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

one would think that NorthOak. But think also of Purcell, lit things up in PS. Brown is the heir apparent. Kap was played/psyched out, OL was a POS, and nowhere, no time did we see Brown, Purcell, Gab, Teller....we saw guys struggling, pears, martin, devey...kap...and no changes were made. That to me is a coach either loyal to a fault or a guy who makes the life saving decision after thinking about it for 3 weeks, long after the event is over. Now it may be JT just has trouble changing his mind, but to me, he is a guy who isn't interested in a fix if something is broken. Keeping failing players playing...that is a sign of a guy with no awareness....or inability to change his mind. Neither is good.

I don't believe Tomsula has the power. He was chosen to do whatever Baalke and York wants. I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but I feel Kap was left out to dry on purpose. I told everyone at work before the game that they would make changes to the oline for Gabbert's start. Kap hasn't played well, and you say it's because he is under pressure. Well the logical move would be to replace the worst lineman in the league correct? Glad we won, but this team makes some suspect decision.

I feel the same way. Told my brother when the season begin. Management does not like Kaps demeanor as face of the franchise. They're trying to protect Gabbert by changing the line but did nothing for Kap. I think management of been setting this up for a while.

Originally posted by northoakland510:

I don't believe Tomsula has the power. He was chosen to do whatever Baalke and York wants. I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but I feel Kap was left out to dry on purpose. I told everyone at work before the game that they would make changes to the oline for Gabbert's start. Kap hasn't played well, and you say it's because he is under pressure. Well the logical move would be to replace the worst lineman in the league correct? Glad we won, but this team makes some suspect decision.

Marvin, the "D" grade surprised me, and not sure how you got to it.

It was noted the OL looked better, may have played better....but i think that is because Gab played well, and got rid of the ball like a good NFL QB does. We have become so used to the death grip Kap puts on the ball, that watching Gab throw it was like nite vs day. So maybe the OL did play a bit better, but i think Gab's QB play was so much quicker, accurate, with good pre and post snap reads, that his play is what made the OL look better, when they really looked the same as before. Put a functioning QB in and wah lah... the OL doesn't look that bad.

And that was what i have wanted to know these last 7 weeks. Could a decent QB make the OL look like it is playing poorly, but still ok. And that is exactly what happened, telling us what most have thot....that kap is done. Whatever he had he has lost...and a good QB made the entire team look better, and that includes the OL. Yes, ATL does not have a great D, but it still is a pro Defense. GAb looked very good against it. So how did you come to a "D" grade?

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Marvin, the "D" grade surprised me, and not sure how you got to it.

It was noted the OL looked better, may have played better....but i think that is because Gab played well, and got rid of the ball like a good NFL QB does. We have become so used to the death grip Kap puts on the ball, that watching Gab throw it was like nite vs day. So maybe the OL did play a bit better, but i think Gab's QB play was so much quicker, accurate, with good pre and post snap reads, that his play is what made the OL look better, when they really looked the same as before. Put a functioning QB in and wah lah... the OL doesn't look that bad.

And that was what i have wanted to know these last 7 weeks. Could a decent QB make the OL look like it is playing poorly, but still ok. And that is exactly what happened, telling us what most have thot....that kap is done. Whatever he had he has lost...and a good QB made the entire team look better, and that includes the OL. Yes, ATL does not have a great D, but it still is a pro Defense. GAb looked very good against it. So how did you come to a "D" grade?

It was a smileyface, not a D grade. He used a colon ( :D ) instead of an equals sign ( =D ).