Are the Yorks putting profits ahead of wanting to win?

BobS · 2015-10-28T09:54:08-07:00

I think I am on an island here, but I figure I will run a poll to see what people think. All this discussion about firing Tomsula after a year, hiring top level front office people, how to spend next year's cap space etc,etc, tells me most people think ownership will spend whatever it takes outside the cap (Front office, coaching hires) and under the cap (players) to right the sinking ship. I disagree, look at the succession of coaches after Mooch was fired, one proven NFL failure (Erickson) a D-coordinator with no head coaching experience at any level (Nolan) and a destined to fail position coach (Singletary). What did they all have in common? They will work cheap. Under York rule the 49ers are usually in the bottom half of player salaries. I was shocked when they laid out top money for Harbaugh and his staff. I believe the only reason they did was to spend money realizing low budget unproven cheap head coaches negate your chances or winning and a perennial loser isn't getting a new modern fancy stadium that will bring in more cash. Strangely they get the new stadium and the high dollar coach gets dumped, and replaced with someone they can pay at the bottom of the coaching pay scale. Half the roster is turned over and $13 mil of cap space is left. I believe the early dark years of York rule are going to repeat themselves. The only chance at getting back to contender status is repeated great drafts, getting players on rookie deals that out perform their slotted contracts.

Oct 28, 2015 at 10:07 AM

16to87
Veteran
Posts: 7,697

yes

[ Edited by 16to87 on Oct 29, 2015 at 5:14 AM ]

Oct 28, 2015 at 10:10 AM

susweel
Hall of Nepal
Posts: 122,102

The facts don't lie.

Oct 28, 2015 at 10:11 AM

OldMort49
Veteran
Posts: 341

York, Paraag, Guido etc. are masters at this "bait and switch" scheme.

Oct 28, 2015 at 10:33 AM

ghostrider
Veteran
Posts: 8,671

Nah. Winning is profitable.

IMO, they've put pride ahead of winning.

Oct 28, 2015 at 10:35 AM

lamontb
Veteran
Posts: 33,207

Originally posted by ghostrider:
Nah. Winning is profitable.

IMO, they've put pride ahead of winning.

This

Oct 28, 2015 at 10:37 AM

BobS
Veteran
Posts: 12,143

Originally posted by OldMort49:
York, Paraag, Guido etc. are masters at this "bait and switch" scheme.

I doubt anyone who coughed up the big money for seat licenses and season tickets at Levi Stadium thought they would have to endure this mess the very next season. It borders on fraud if you ask me and I think it was planned. The early poll returns are shocking to me, I guess those that think the Yorks will spend their way out of this mess are more vocal than those that think they are too cheap.

Oct 28, 2015 at 10:38 AM

crabman82
Veteran
Posts: 17,024

I'm sure they'd like to win. But I don't think they'd do whatever it takes to accomplish that.

Oct 28, 2015 at 10:40 AM

SanDiego49er
Veteran
Posts: 52,278

They always have. They always will.

Team is doomed until it is SOLD.

Oct 28, 2015 at 10:40 AM

49AllTheTime
Veteran
Posts: 72,780

Profits not shared to the NFL (concessions,Gear), How do you get those profits ?, Need a good team to get people in the stadium
Coaches, Harbaugh was the only available coach that was available and worthy of trying to get..the timing of getting a good coach wasn't there since Mooch
The best way is to build through the Draft, We had great players..but those guys get old. So that means there will be turnover especially if they all leave at once

There is no way to get profit without winning (getting people in that stadium and consume)

Oct 28, 2015 at 10:43 AM

#10

TTown9ers
Veteran
Posts: 1,783

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Profits not shared to the NFL (concessions,Gear), How do you get those profits ?, Need a good team to get people in the stadium

Coaches, Harbaugh was the only available coach that was available and worthy of trying to get..the timing of getting a good coach wasn't there since Mooch

The best way is to build through the Draft, We had great players..but those guys get old. So that means there will be turnover especially if they all leave at once

There is no way to get profit without winning (getting people in that stadium and consume)

Not true. They're profiting plenty right now. ..

Oct 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM

#11

SoCold
Hall of Dumb
Posts: 133,087

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Profits not shared to the NFL (concessions,Gear), How do you get those profits ?, Need a good team to get people in the stadium

Coaches, Harbaugh was the only available coach that was available and worthy of trying to get..the timing of getting a good coach wasn't there since Mooch

The best way is to build through the Draft, We had great players..but those guys get old. So that means there will be turnover especially if they all leave at once

There is no way to get profit without winning (getting people in that stadium and consume)

prob made more from the Taylor Swift concert

Oct 28, 2015 at 10:47 AM

#12

49AllTheTime
Veteran
Posts: 72,780

Originally posted by TTown9ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Profits not shared to the NFL (concessions,Gear), How do you get those profits ?, Need a good team to get people in the stadium

Coaches, Harbaugh was the only available coach that was available and worthy of trying to get..the timing of getting a good coach wasn't there since Mooch

The best way is to build through the Draft, We had great players..but those guys get old. So that means there will be turnover especially if they all leave at once

There is no way to get profit without winning (getting people in that stadium and consume)

Not true. They're profiting plenty right now. ..

i didn't say they weren't, the OP's formula is wrong

Originally posted by SoCold:
prob made more from the Taylor Swift concert

idk...TS collects a pretty penny also

Oct 28, 2015 at 10:49 AM

#13

pasodoc9er
Veteran
Posts: 21,040

Bob, I think you are overthinking this if you think this was a conspiracy or fraudulent intent. I think it was just plain old incompetence of first Dr. John, and then his young son. Think about it. NO skills in this kind of massive adventure, no foundation in "how to". I think they just made one incompetent hire after another....oh, what all those initial guys had in common...they were all DCs or had been mainly D experience. I think they just bumbled along, Jed learning as he went. He was damn young when he got this toy. Now, I believe they want to win and will spare no cost. Losing 9 starters (or was it 10), many of whom were all pro, is just a huge loss and even tho several were injured, I don't think we as fans really thot that thru. No way in hell should we have expected to be great this yr, particularly with an iffy Qb, who, it turns out, is NOT a franchise Qb. I hope either he or gab can be a bridge Qb, but the way kap has been going, he won't be starting much longer.

The product on the field is embarrassing and I believe Jed feels that, maybe not his folks...I dunno. I think he wants the best he can get. We need 10 starters, maybe 11, and that is a tall order. Between IR and guys hanging it up , or just leaving like AD, this has been a massive shift from gifted to sadly in need type of team. Realistically, we are not a playoff team in 2016 either. Too many major holes. I hope we get it all started this yr but see 2017 as our legit yr to return to playoffs. Meantime, wholesale coaching will change and not until Jed realizes that the HC has to be an OC will we be on the right track. So , no, I don't think this was a conspiracy or attempt to dupe us.

Oct 28, 2015 at 10:59 AM

#14

49AllTheTime
Veteran
Posts: 72,780

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Bob, I think you are overthinking this if you think this was a conspiracy or fraudulent intent. I think it was just plain old incompetence of first Dr. John, and then his young son. Think about it. NO skills in this kind of massive adventure, no foundation in "how to". I think they just made one incompetent hire after another....oh, what all those initial guys had in common...they were all DCs or had been mainly D experience. I think they just bumbled along, Jed learning as he went. He was damn young when he got this toy. Now, I believe they want to win and will spare no cost. Losing 9 starters (or was it 10), many of whom were all pro, is just a huge loss and even tho several were injured, I don't think we as fans really thot that thru. No way in hell should we have expected to be great this yr, particularly with an iffy Qb, who, it turns out, is NOT a franchise Qb. I hope either he or gab can be a bridge Qb, but the way kap has been going, he won't be starting much longer.

The product on the field is embarrassing and I believe Jed feels that, maybe not his folks...I dunno. I think he wants the best he can get. We need 10 starters, maybe 11, and that is a tall order. Between IR and guys hanging it up , or just leaving like AD, this has been a massive shift from gifted to sadly in need type of team. Realistically, we are not a playoff team in 2016 either. Too many major holes. I hope we get it all started this yr but see 2017 as our legit yr to return to playoffs. Meantime, wholesale coaching will change and not until Jed realizes that the HC has to be an OC will we be on the right track. So , no, I don't think this was a conspiracy or attempt to dupe us.

The normal Cycle of life in the NFL