Do you have faith in Brandon Thomas & Marcus Martin to step it up?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SoCold:
? Kilgore is the center and one of our best lineman for a few years. No reason (if healthy) he doesn't come back strong at center. Martin will prob play G and fight for a starting spot there. Brandon Thomas ? we tallmenbout backups, backups?

Who said Brandon Thomas is a backup? Guy is very talented and only reason he fell was due to his knee injury. If he's fully healthy he should certainly have a good chance to win the Iupati replacement job.

I think both guys will be main stays on our line for many years to come assuming we can re-sign them.

possibly but the question was do we have faith in these guys who are young players who haven't seen a lot of the field

I guess to answer the OP's question I have faith at our C and G spots
A Davis can't pass block and Staley forgot how to last year so I have little faith there.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I think Thomas wins the LG position. Martin is at a disatvantage, in that he will start out competing at center. I think Kilgore wins that battle on experience and consistency, even though Martin is physically superior. If we are truly transitioning to a predominately ZBS running attack, I would expect Boone to struggle. If he struggles, I hope they have the guts to try Martin at RG. That will tell us a lot about this staff, imo. Will they replace a well-paid vet who is underfperforming? Will they allow him to struggle, hoping he pulls through?

Obviously, this is speculation. In the past, Boone has struggled with lateral agility and the ability to keep his pads low while zone stepping. That could be due to unfamiliarity with the steps and technique (we've ran zone infrequently since he's been here), or it could be a physical issue that will not resolve itself easily.

trade Boone to the Skins

McDrunk would be all over that!

That's the one thing that we can offer that other teams really can't: we can send Scotty his players, though we don't have many of them left. That's a great shot in the arm to a guy trying to reshape a roster. Maybe #15, Boone, and #46 to move up to #5 (if the guy we want is still there). We really won't know enough about how McDonald and Carrier are doing for us to dangle Vernon at him (at least Vernon has already showed up for the off season program).

edit: how pissed would Boone be if we kept him around to compete for the swing tackle spot?

Yeah...and with his relatively small contract, the ability to play G or T, we may not even have to offer up the #46 TBH. Plus, McDrunk would have a drinking buddy. LOL. OK...went way too far on that one!

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SoCold:
? Kilgore is the center and one of our best lineman for a few years. No reason (if healthy) he doesn't come back strong at center. Martin will prob play G and fight for a starting spot there. Brandon Thomas ? we tallmenbout backups, backups?

Who said Brandon Thomas is a backup? Guy is very talented and only reason he fell was due to his knee injury. If he's fully healthy he should certainly have a good chance to win the Iupati replacement job.

I think both guys will be main stays on our line for many years to come assuming we can re-sign them.

possibly but the question was do we have faith in these guys who are young players who haven't seen a lot of the field

I guess to answer the OP's question I have faith at our C and G spots
A Davis can't pass block and Staley forgot how to last year so I have little faith there.

I honestly think Staley was trying to do too much. He has the hardest blocking assignment on every play (run or pass). He was clearly in Iupati's sh!t most of the year for dumba$$ mistakes in pass pro. I think he needs to stop worrying about being a coach on the field and just do his job. I'd like to say Davis struggled because he was hurt, but imo that's only part of it. He has always struggled with speed rushers off the edge.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I think Thomas wins the LG position. Martin is at a disatvantage, in that he will start out competing at center. I think Kilgore wins that battle on experience and consistency, even though Martin is physically superior. If we are truly transitioning to a predominately ZBS running attack, I would expect Boone to struggle. If he struggles, I hope they have the guts to try Martin at RG. That will tell us a lot about this staff, imo. Will they replace a well-paid vet who is underfperforming? Will they allow him to struggle, hoping he pulls through?

Obviously, this is speculation. In the past, Boone has struggled with lateral agility and the ability to keep his pads low while zone stepping. That could be due to unfamiliarity with the steps and technique (we've ran zone infrequently since he's been here), or it could be a physical issue that will not resolve itself easily.

trade Boone to the Skins

McDrunk would be all over that!

That's the one thing that we can offer that other teams really can't: we can send Scotty his players, though we don't have many of them left. That's a great shot in the arm to a guy trying to reshape a roster. Maybe #15, Boone, and #46 to move up to #5 (if the guy we want is still there). We really won't know enough about how McDonald and Carrier are doing for us to dangle Vernon at him (at least Vernon has already showed up for the off season program).

edit: how pissed would Boone be if we kept him around to compete for the swing tackle spot?

Boone would be the starting RT for WASH if that happened. Plus Brooks is a McDrunk guy as well

Originally posted by erica4981:
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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
Martin is 22 and Thomas is 24 if they pan out the 49er O-Line will be in good shape for years to come.

Martin is 21 actually but yes, Thomas just turned 24.

Martin was out there playing center at age 20 , the experience of playing so early in his career will obviously go a long way in helping him develop into a quality C/G for us .......and Thomas ..wow, he could have easily been a late 1st round pick if not for the knee injury

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I think Thomas wins the LG position. Martin is at a disatvantage, in that he will start out competing at center. I think Kilgore wins that battle on experience and consistency, even though Martin is physically superior. If we are truly transitioning to a predominately ZBS running attack, I would expect Boone to struggle. If he struggles, I hope they have the guts to try Martin at RG. That will tell us a lot about this staff, imo. Will they replace a well-paid vet who is underfperforming? Will they allow him to struggle, hoping he pulls through?

Obviously, this is speculation. In the past, Boone has struggled with lateral agility and the ability to keep his pads low while zone stepping. That could be due to unfamiliarity with the steps and technique (we've ran zone infrequently since he's been here), or it could be a physical issue that will not resolve itself easily.

trade Boone to the Skins

McDrunk would be all over that!

That's the one thing that we can offer that other teams really can't: we can send Scotty his players, though we don't have many of them left. That's a great shot in the arm to a guy trying to reshape a roster. Maybe #15, Boone, and #46 to move up to #5 (if the guy we want is still there). We really won't know enough about how McDonald and Carrier are doing for us to dangle Vernon at him (at least Vernon has already showed up for the off season program).

edit: how pissed would Boone be if we kept him around to compete for the swing tackle spot?

Boone would be the starting RT for WASH if that happened. Plus Brooks is a McDrunk guy as well

Yup. If Martin looks good, we'd still have Looney to back up the interior and Pears to play swing tackle. Not a bad depth chart to go into a season with IF everyone can stay healthy. Brooks is tough to let go of right now, with Skuta gone and Aldon on thin ice... It wouldn't be that big of a surprise if they feel confident that Lemonier can bounce back or they can find meaningful depth somewhere. Not sure Scotty would pay Brooks that salary either, especially if he's fat again.

Surprised this hasn't been moved to the OL thread. If you look for this later and can't find it, it probably got merged.

Originally posted by NeeJ49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
Martin is 22 and Thomas is 24 if they pan out the 49er O-Line will be in good shape for years to come.

Martin is 21 actually but yes, Thomas just turned 24.

Martin was out there playing center at age 20 , the experience of playing so early in his career will obviously go a long way in helping him develop into a quality C/G for us .......and Thomas ..wow, he could have easily been a late 1st round pick if not for the knee injury

Yeah, everywhere I looked had him top 50 before the injury.

i have faith in both of them. Boone and iupati suck.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by NeeJ49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
Martin is 22 and Thomas is 24 if they pan out the 49er O-Line will be in good shape for years to come.

Martin is 21 actually but yes, Thomas just turned 24.

Martin was out there playing center at age 20 , the experience of playing so early in his career will obviously go a long way in helping him develop into a quality C/G for us .......and Thomas ..wow, he could have easily been a late 1st round pick if not for the knee injury

Yeah, everywhere I looked had him top 50 before the injury.

if Thomas develops into a solid lineman quickly, Baalke will look like a genius for drafting him and letting him heal and learn the system at the same time ...I was skeptical at first, drafting injured players who could have been first round picks if not for injuries, after Lattimore called it quits, I was angry that we wasted a draft pick on him ...but Tank has shown flashes of being a disruptive, and if Thomas shows some solid hustle & muscle, it will make up for Lattimore retiring ...but something tells me Trent will probably draft another injured player that could contribute in 2016

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I think Thomas wins the LG position. Martin is at a disatvantage, in that he will start out competing at center. I think Kilgore wins that battle on experience and consistency, even though Martin is physically superior. If we are truly transitioning to a predominately ZBS running attack, I would expect Boone to struggle. If he struggles, I hope they have the guts to try Martin at RG. That will tell us a lot about this staff, imo. Will they replace a well-paid vet who is underfperforming? Will they allow him to struggle, hoping he pulls through?

Obviously, this is speculation. In the past, Boone has struggled with lateral agility and the ability to keep his pads low while zone stepping. That could be due to unfamiliarity with the steps and technique (we've ran zone infrequently since he's been here), or it could be a physical issue that will not resolve itself easily.

trade Boone to the Skins

Appreciate the smile. But on a serious note, Then who would be our Swing Tackle??

IMO, that's Boone's real value. He can come in and play damn good.

We all saw what a crap OT can do last year w/Martin.

ANDDD it a very long season with lots of injuries.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I think Thomas wins the LG position. Martin is at a disatvantage, in that he will start out competing at center. I think Kilgore wins that battle on experience and consistency, even though Martin is physically superior. If we are truly transitioning to a predominately ZBS running attack, I would expect Boone to struggle. If he struggles, I hope they have the guts to try Martin at RG. That will tell us a lot about this staff, imo. Will they replace a well-paid vet who is underfperforming? Will they allow him to struggle, hoping he pulls through?

Obviously, this is speculation. In the past, Boone has struggled with lateral agility and the ability to keep his pads low while zone stepping. That could be due to unfamiliarity with the steps and technique (we've ran zone infrequently since he's been here), or it could be a physical issue that will not resolve itself easily.

Good points.

IMO way too many people underestimate Kilgore.

Last year he was our best OLine player at the point he was injured.

AND i feel he's going to pick up where he left off.

As of right now having Martin backup RG, LG and C is pretty smart.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Appreciate the smile. But on a serious note, Then who would be our Swing Tackle??

IMO, that's Boone's real value. He can come in and play damn good.

We all saw what a crap OT can do last year w/Martin.

ANDDD it a very long season with lots of injuries.

agree with wally,,,,, and again i think boone, vernon and all the others who had a so called off year, for whatever reason,,,,, need to be given a second chance with a new regime. i think the slate should be wiped clean with everyone on our team , including gulp,, dahl and gabbert... last year was just a fiasco and i think everyone needs to be given the benefit of the doubt as we hit a, in my opinion, a badly needed restart button

Originally posted by NeeJ49er:
Thomas has a lot of upside and could develop into an above average left guard, being that he played LT in college, his pass protection should be stellar and provide better protection for Kaep .....Martin was thrown into the fire earlier than expected and more than held his own ....Kilgore may have a fight on his hands if Thomas and Martin come into camp strong and ready to mash some defensive lineman ......

what do you guys think ? ...are we settled and our offensive line ready to go? ...or do we need to draft an offensive lineman maybe in the 3rd or 4th round to compete for playing time

In response to the OP's original question.... My answer is no.

Going to throw Kilgore into this equation as well. I know he played well last year but it was a small sample size and I honestly don't know how dominate he was. When the Oline looks like a turnstile, maybe Kilgore just looked the best of the bunch. I'm not trying to knock the guy, I just think we haven't seen a whole lot to make a decision. Like everyone falling in Love with Stevie or LLoyd last year because they had some nice catches early in the year. As time went on they faded to the back ground. (No need to bring up HarRo in a response). Point is that i'm still undecided about Kilgore. And the fact that Baalke drafted Martin makes me wonder does he envision him taking the Center spot or the guard spot or just depth.

As to Thomas and Martin. I love the upside but It's hard to land picks in the draft. We are banking on the fact that both those picks will turn out to be studs. Martin got thrown in early, but he did suck at center. Maybe he does better at guard? Thomas is promising, but I think he has torn the ACL twice now, once in high school and the other during the private workout before the draft.

For me, I want a dominate Oline. It gives Hyde more opportunities to push the ball and be that power run team and it protects Kap. I view it as protecting your investments. You signed Boldin, Kap, brought in Torrey, etc... you want to use them wisely? I don't think you will be able to see what we have in those guys if the Oline is shaky.

Kilgore, Thomas and Martin could pan out. But I don't want to waste another year of Boldin and Kap and Torrey, Hyde, Bowman, vets etc...

Oline I think is easier to land in the early rounds. I am hopeful that Baalke uses picks 1 or 2 on landing a top lineman. When you wait till the later rounds we start to get the ACL guys or the Looneys from the 4th round etc... It just seems like more of a gamble.