Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by BobS:
I would say irrelevant to the discussion of whether Kap is currently worthy of being the current and future QB of the 49ers. Fact Kap is 4-2 in the play-offs. Why it is irrelevant: Mark "Butt Fumble" Sanchez is also 4-2 and ranks 4th in career play-off rating among active QBs, Kap is ranked 11th of 18th on that list. So if you praise Kap's play-off record you better be praising Sanchez's even more.

Did you actually watch those games? Clearly you didn't. Stats with 0 context is what you do....as long as they push your narrative...and boy do you work overtime to do it.

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by BobS:

I would say irrelevant to the discussion of whether Kap is currently worthy of being the current and future QB of the 49ers. Fact Kap is 4-2 in the play-offs. Why it is irrelevant: Mark "Butt Fumble" Sanchez is also 4-2 and ranks 4th in career play-off rating among active QBs, Kap is ranked 11th of 18th on that list. So if you praise Kap's play-off record you better be praising Sanchez's even more.

Did you actually watch those games? Clearly you didn't. Stats with 0 context is what you do....as long as they push your narrative...and boy do you work overtime to do it.

Here is some context for you Sanchez has 9 Tds and 3 Ints in the play-offs, Kaepernick has 7 Tds and 5 Ints in the play-offs. Sanchez makes less mistakes in big games under pressure. Somebody got all that for a 7th round pick. Shows you how well GMs care about what you did in the play-offs 3 years ago if you haven't played well recently. No one outside the Webzone cares about 2012.

Originally posted by WINiner:
I think Broncos ship has sailed. They traded for their QB and are willing to go into the season with Sanchez and what ever rookie they get at 31 imo.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by bud49:
Exactly if it was all about who could run the fastest and jump the highest or throw the ball the hardest Kaep would win hands down. But when retention and figuring out a defense comes into play, well in that instance he is not so much a winner. I think Gabbert can beat him out, Gabbert is somewhat athletic and can retain info plus he has a much quicker release than Kaep. Kaep's throwing motion is terrible.

Gabbert has not displayed any of that. He is a terrible QB and a career BACKUP!

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by bud49:

Exactly if it was all about who could run the fastest and jump the highest or throw the ball the hardest Kaep would win hands down. But when retention and figuring out a defense comes into play, well in that instance he is not so much a winner. I think Gabbert can beat him out, Gabbert is somewhat athletic and can retain info plus he has a much quicker release than Kaep. Kaep's throwing motion is terrible.

Gabbert has not displayed any of that. He is a terrible QB and a career BACKUP!

Gabbert beat out Kaepernick, so what does that make Kap? I can't wait for your answer.

Originally posted by NickSh49:

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by bud49:
Exactly if it was all about who could run the fastest and jump the highest or throw the ball the hardest Kaep would win hands down. But when retention and figuring out a defense comes into play, well in that instance he is not so much a winner. I think Gabbert can beat him out, Gabbert is somewhat athletic and can retain info plus he has a much quicker release than Kaep. Kaep's throwing motion is terrible.

Gabbert has not displayed any of that. He is a terrible QB and a career BACKUP!

Gabbert beat out Kaepernick, so what does that make Kap? I can't wait for your answer.

JTO beat out Alex and Shaun Hill.

Originally posted by jbeale49:

Denver 2nd rounder and CLE 3rd rounder are only 3-4 picks apart no?

I wonder if Elway has tried to include Sanchez in the package. I know Chip wasn't over the moon for Sanchez in PHI but some familiarity helps.

Originally posted by 49erphan:

Here's my hunch about what is happening. Kap really does not want to play for the 49ers any more (probably for more than one reason but I think one of the big reasons is because he doesn't trust management). He was okay with going to Cleveland but is leery of the talent on the offensive line and that Cleveland may draft a quarterback at #2 even if they sign Kap. I think he would rather go to Denver than Cleveland (of course, also because Denver overall is a much superior team and he could plausibly even win a Super Bowl with them).

Naturally enough, the 9ers management want to get the highest draft pick compensation they can in trade. Cleveland is offering a significantly better draft choice at the moment than Denver so the 9ers management prefers making a trade with Cleveland.

How can Kap keep management's desire to get the better draft compensation from leading to him not getting to his preferred destination, Denver? By making salary demands he knows that Cleveland will balk at. I think he's trying to "force" 9ers management into accepting Denver's third round offer (which is much less desirable than Cleveland's third rounder) and then he will be flexible enough on salary for Denver to finish the deal.

So... I think it's a bit of a game of chicken between Kap and 9er management. Will management blink and accept Denver's third round offer or will they make good on their supposed desire to keep Kap on the team? Is 9ers management counting on Kap wanting to leave so bad that he will be the one to blink and accept the salary Cleveland is willing to offer - and the 9ers end up with a better draft pick.

How this turns out may depend on how badly the Broncos want Kap. If Kap and the 9ers management hold out long enough, will Denver cave and give the 9ers their second round pick? If so, I think both Kap and 9ers management would be satisfied.

Games of chicken going on in all kinds of directions probably. It could take awhile before anyone blinks.

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by NickSh49:

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by bud49:

Exactly if it was all about who could run the fastest and jump the highest or throw the ball the hardest Kaep would win hands down. But when retention and figuring out a defense comes into play, well in that instance he is not so much a winner. I think Gabbert can beat him out, Gabbert is somewhat athletic and can retain info plus he has a much quicker release than Kaep. Kaep's throwing motion is terrible.

Gabbert has not displayed any of that. He is a terrible QB and a career BACKUP!

Gabbert beat out Kaepernick, so what does that make Kap? I can't wait for your answer.

JTO beat out Alex and Shaun Hill.

That has nothing to do with Kaepernick or the current 49ers.

Originally posted by NickSh49:

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by BobS:
I would say irrelevant to the discussion of whether Kap is currently worthy of being the current and future QB of the 49ers. Fact Kap is 4-2 in the play-offs. Why it is irrelevant: Mark "Butt Fumble" Sanchez is also 4-2 and ranks 4th in career play-off rating among active QBs, Kap is ranked 11th of 18th on that list. So if you praise Kap's play-off record you better be praising Sanchez's even more.

Did you actually watch those games? Clearly you didn't. Stats with 0 context is what you do....as long as they push your narrative...and boy do you work overtime to do it.

Here is some context for you Sanchez has 9 Tds and 3 Ints in the play-offs, Kaepernick has 7 Tds and 5 Ints in the play-offs. Sanchez makes less mistakes in big games under pressure. Somebody got all that for a 7th round pick. Shows you how well GMs care about what you did in the play-offs 3 years ago if you haven't played well recently. No one outside the Webzone cares about 2012.

Were you loyal to Alex through the dark ages Bob? I have a hunch that says you weren't.

Also comparing Sanchez to Kaepernick is disingenuous at best.

Also confused why no one outside the Webzone cares about our last Super Bowl run. Don't think that's accurate.

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by NickSh49:

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by BobS:

I would say irrelevant to the discussion of whether Kap is currently worthy of being the current and future QB of the 49ers. Fact Kap is 4-2 in the play-offs. Why it is irrelevant: Mark "Butt Fumble" Sanchez is also 4-2 and ranks 4th in career play-off rating among active QBs, Kap is ranked 11th of 18th on that list. So if you praise Kap's play-off record you better be praising Sanchez's even more.

Did you actually watch those games? Clearly you didn't. Stats with 0 context is what you do....as long as they push your narrative...and boy do you work overtime to do it.

Here is some context for you Sanchez has 9 Tds and 3 Ints in the play-offs, Kaepernick has 7 Tds and 5 Ints in the play-offs. Sanchez makes less mistakes in big games under pressure. Somebody got all that for a 7th round pick. Shows you how well GMs care about what you did in the play-offs 3 years ago if you haven't played well recently. No one outside the Webzone cares about 2012.

Were you loyal to Alex through the dark ages Bob? I have a hunch that says you weren't.

Also comparing Sanchez to Kaepernick is disingenuous at best.

Also confused why no one outside the Webzone cares about our last Super Bowl run. Don't think that's accurate.

I give QBs 3 years to look like they are going to be worth something I wanted Alex gone way before he left.
People keep bringing up Kap's 4-2 play-off record like it means something today, Sanchez is an example that it doesn't.
No GM is going to base a player's worth on 2012, but people here do.

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by Judge82Dredd:
IN the offense scheme the merit goes all for Bill Walsh.

The problem here is that Kap doesn 't really know how to play QB in NFL no matter how people insist to bring the 2011/2012 playoffs to the conversations
He is far to be a solid QB because he dont have actually solid QB skills(solid QB skills isn't throw a football 60+mph, running the ball like a Tailback)

Just a reminder Kap had a defense for 2 years that Steve Young and Montana never had.They had to do job themselves.

Oh? How was that D in the playoffs? If I remember correctly, Steve and Joe never had a D give up as many points as the 9er D did under Kaep and won. That said, last time I checked, Kaep never got to play with the offensive talent that Joe and Steve did. Never got to play within a cheme tailored to him or the level of coaching Joe and Steve ever had.

More tired talking points from a Kaep hater.

Evidently I missed the games Joe and Steve won in the playoffs when the D was giving up 25+ points/game. Also missed all the Scrubs they played with on offense and the HOF talent Kaep played with.

Weren't you warned to stop calling people haters? I got warned to stop calling people "Kap fans" and stopped.

If you don't like Kap, and want him traded, then it's suffice to say that you're a Kap hater, no?

The way the word "hater" is thrown around and the people who use it makes it imply I have an irrational reason to want him gone. There are plenty of rational ones to want to send him packing. Why anyone is still optimistic that he can be productive again is beyond me, 5 years in the NFL and his scouting report reads the same as when he was drafted. Of the recent dual threat QBs Wilson and Newton improved their skill set Kaepernick and RG3 didn't and we see the results of that.

Originally posted by bud49:

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by Judge82Dredd:

IN the offense scheme the merit goes all for Bill Walsh.

The problem here is that Kap doesn 't really know how to play QB in NFL no matter how people insist to bring the 2011/2012 playoffs to the conversations
He is far to be a solid QB because he dont have actually solid QB skills(solid QB skills isn't throw a football 60+mph, running the ball like a Tailback)

Just a reminder Kap had a defense for 2 years that Steve Young and Montana never had.They had to do job themselves.

Oh? How was that D in the playoffs? If I remember correctly, Steve and Joe never had a D give up as many points as the 9er D did under Kaep and won. That said, last time I checked, Kaep never got to play with the offensive talent that Joe and Steve did. Never got to play within a cheme tailored to him or the level of coaching Joe and Steve ever had.

More tired talking points from a Kaep hater.

Evidently I missed the games Joe and Steve won in the playoffs when the D was giving up 25+ points/game. Also missed all the Scrubs they played with on offense and the HOF talent Kaep played with.

Weren't you warned to stop calling people haters? I got warned to stop calling people "Kap fans" and stopped.

If you don't like Kap, and want him traded, then it's suffice to say that you're a Kap hater, no?

The way the word "hater" is thrown around and the people who use it makes it imply I have an irrational reason to want him gone. There are plenty of rational ones to want to send him packing. Why anyone is still optimistic that he can be productive again is beyond me, 5 years in the NFL and his scouting report reads the same as when he was drafted. Of the recent dual threat QBs Wilson and Newton improved their skill set Kaepernick and RG3 didn't and we see the results of that.

BobS: Some on here like me and you can understand it I guess in my case it comes with age. The old saying goes "You can explain it to some but you can't understand it for them." In other words Beating a Dead Horse. Gabbert beat him out but in some people's view he didn't, has funny has that sounds. In my opinion if Kaep is retained it will be bad juju, Kaep does not want to be here let him go.

Originally posted by bud49:
BobS: Some on here like me and you can understand it I guess in my case it comes with age. The old saying goes "You can explain it to some but you can't understand it for them." In other words Beating a Dead Horse. Gabbert beat him out but in some people's view he didn't, has funny has that sounds. In my opinion if Kaep is retained it will be bad juju, Kaep does not want to be here let him go.