Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Everyone wants to shift blame to the OLine for Kaepernicks poor performance, yes the line isn't very good, especially on the right side. But any quarterback who holds the football too long the way he does will make an OLine look bad.

Beware of trying to lump all people into a group. Your post is another example of using hyperbole to win an argument. "Everyone" is not trying to shift blame. Some are trying to say this is not a one person problem. There is complexity within a team sport, as you acknowledge in the second half of your post.

Originally posted by thl408:
I agree that his main problem is psychological, but this is a huge problem, and not one that is guaranteed to go away with a benching. Kap might respond to this benching by coming back with a clear psyche, or he can have it completely destroy any shred of confidence he might have left.

I'm very worried that the latter will happen. The reason I think this is because I see no one on this coaching staff that is able to build him up. Kap comes off as an insecure guy putting up a a false, strong front. No evidence of this, just how I personally perceive him. One thing I thought Harbaugh did well was build up a player's confidence. And there's no better feeling than having the head coach believe in you, even after a poor performance. When there were obvious holes in the QB's game, Harbaugh showed absolute faith in his QB with unwavering support. I simply don't believe in Geep/Logan/Tomsula's ability to do this - build up a QB. Kap needs a huge pep talk from a qualified authoritative figure and I don't see that coming from anyone on the team/staff.


If Kap responds to this benching in a positive way, I will give all the credit to himself. I really hope we see a better Kap after this Gabbert experiment, but I think he's going to have to clear his head on his own.

I think this was probably the biggest indicator for me that this season was going to be a bust. Taking away someone your franchise QB leans on and pairing him with people who have already shown they have no idea what they're doing when it comes to the position is a recipe for disaster. Coupled with the GM doing absolutely nothing to improve upon an o-line that was already bad last year we have the current product we're seeing on the field.

I still think the guy that lit the world on fire early in his career is in there, but I don't think this team has the ability or the coaching personnel to coach that guy back out. Unless there's some huge wholesale changes going forward, the best thing that could happen to him is he's either cut or traded to a team that knows how to help develop a QB.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Is still not worse than the Seahawks especially when it comes to pass protection which is the point of contention here as so many of you have been blaming Kap's bad play on the total lack of protection. That line isn't perfect, but is no way as bad as Seattle's line and yet Russell Wilson does so much better than Kap under the circumstances.

No, being rated at #32 out of 32 teams actually IS worse than the Seahawks. That's just arithmetic.

Wake up my son. Seahawks' O-line is the one that ranks 32nd in pass pro. Check your facts.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/11/04/ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-entering-week-9/

Originally posted by thl408:
I agree that his main problem is psychological, but this is a huge problem, and not one that is guaranteed to go away with a benching. Kap might respond to this benching by coming back with a clear psyche, or he can have it completely destroy any shred of confidence he might have left.

I'm very worried that the latter will happen. The reason I think this is because I see no one on this coaching staff that is able to build him up. Kap comes off as an insecure guy putting up a a false, strong front. No evidence of this, just how I personally perceive him. One thing I thought Harbaugh did well was build up a player's confidence. And there's no better feeling than having the head coach believe in you, even after a poor performance. When there were obvious holes in the QB's game, Harbaugh showed absolute faith in his QB with unwavering support. I simply don't believe in Geep/Logan/Tomsula's ability to do this - build up a QB. Kap needs a huge pep talk from a qualified authoritative figure and I don't see that coming from anyone on the team/staff.


If Kap responds to this benching in a positive way, I will give all the credit to himself. I really hope we see a better Kap after this Gabbert experiment, but I think he's going to have to clear his head on his own.

Other than injury, a person's psychological well being is almost always the largest factor in success or failure. I agree that this is a very important time in Kaepernick's career and his reaction to it will be important. I would like to see him have a visit with his old college and HS coaches as well as the expert you suggest. Anything than can help!

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Is still not worse than the Seahawks especially when it comes to pass protection which is the point of contention here as so many of you have been blaming Kap's bad play on the total lack of protection. That line isn't perfect, but is no way as bad as Seattle's line and yet Russell Wilson does so much better than Kap under the circumstances.

Is Wilsons game not built for a bad line? He's probably the greatest scrambler of alltime. Should we expect Kap to get away from pressure the way Wilson does?

Yea, but you can't blame it on Wilson just because the guy can scramble and Kap can't. The point is other QBs have to make do or have in fact done far better than Kap with a bad or even worse O-line than Kap had to deal with.

Originally posted by LaMattsBlue:
Sure .. he just worked out and looked in the mirror all day. This Kap doens't study or Kap isn't smart enough to play QB is bull s**t and you know it.

i agree

i think he is a smart qb that works hard

but that being said when he is on the field i dont think he has the ability to recognize different overages and go through progression

basically in my opinion i think he is a good student - will ace his finals and midterms but suck when it comes time to apply it on the field

Originally posted by Rascal:

Yea, but you can't blame it on Wilson just because the guy can scramble and Kap can't. The point is other QBs have to make do or have in fact done far better than Kap with a bad or even worse O-line than Kap had to deal with.

Exactly

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Is still not worse than the Seahawks especially when it comes to pass protection which is the point of contention here as so many of you have been blaming Kap's bad play on the total lack of protection. That line isn't perfect, but is no way as bad as Seattle's line and yet Russell Wilson does so much better than Kap under the circumstances.

Is Wilsons game not built for a bad line? He's probably the greatest scrambler of alltime. Should we expect Kap to get away from pressure the way Wilson does?

Yea, but you can't blame it on Wilson just because the guy can scramble and Kap can't. The point is other QBs have to make do or have in fact done far better than Kap with a bad or even worse O-line than Kap had to deal with.

So you're saying being the best scambler of alltime doesn't help get away from pressure?

Originally posted by harryj:

Originally posted by LaMattsBlue:
Sure .. he just worked out and looked in the mirror all day. This Kap doens't study or Kap isn't smart enough to play QB is bull s**t and you know it.

i agree

i think he is a smart qb that works hard

but that being said when he is on the field i dont think he has the ability to recognize different overages and go through progression

basically in my opinion i think he is a good student - will ace his finals and midterms but suck when it comes time to apply it on the field

It just seems like he's only good when things are going his way and panic when things don't go as planned. Well...that frantic face he makes in any game that isn't working out his way is the way I see him.

Sports don't build character, they reveal it.

I just can't see Kap any other way. Hope he turns it around.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Trath44:

Niners OL ranked 16th in pass blocking. This confirms what I felt, in watching them, that the OL wasn't good, but wasn't as terrible as those who want to make it the scape goat make it out to be. Kap just is just playing terribly. Few have the luxury of playing behind a line that gives them all day. Look at the Seahawks.....Russell Wilson still finds a way to move them, with the worst OL in the league, and a recieving corp that is average at best.

Outsiders rank the 9ers OL as 32 in run blocking and 30th in pass protection. 11/3/2015

29. San Francisco 49ers (22nd)
Pass blocking rank: 16th

Run blocking rank: 32nd

Penalties rank: 4th

Stud: As the 49ers fall apart, Joe Staley (84.4) keeps doing his job to a high level.

Dud: The fact that Marcus Martin (31.0) has the lowest grade of all centers should be a surprise to nobody.

Summary: Remember when this line was one of the best in the league? That wasn't all that long ago, and acts as a real highlight of what's wrong with this team.

Unfortunately, I agree with Thl, on kap's insecurity. I have made mention of it before and above, but he is a very insecure individual. Just the opposite of what one would expect. And bench sitting? A month ago, I think it might have done some good, but now, after one colossal failure after another, it may be a bit too late. It works out a lot better for us if kap regains his confidence, but frankly, now, I don't see it happening. Rather than say insecure, I think a better word is immature. The guy remains a kid, and I don't see how he changes that sitting on the bench a few weeks...or 8. Horse is out of the barn and we are , well, screwed.

Now I am praying for Blaine, a guy I didn't care for when we got him, to right the ship. Wow, times have changed.

Originally posted by solidg2000:
29. San Francisco 49ers (22nd)
Pass blocking rank: 16th

Run blocking rank: 32nd

Penalties rank: 4th

Stud: As the 49ers fall apart, Joe Staley (84.4) keeps doing his job to a high level.

Dud: The fact that Marcus Martin (31.0) has the lowest grade of all centers should be a surprise to nobody.

Summary: Remember when this line was one of the best in the league? That wasn't all that long ago, and acts as a real highlight of what's wrong with this team.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Originally posted by solidg2000:
29. San Francisco 49ers (22nd)
Pass blocking rank: 16th

Run blocking rank: 32nd

Penalties rank: 4th

Stud: As the 49ers fall apart, Joe Staley (84.4) keeps doing his job to a high level.

Dud: The fact that Marcus Martin (31.0) has the lowest grade of all centers should be a surprise to nobody.

Summary: Remember when this line was one of the best in the league? That wasn't all that long ago, and acts as a real highlight of what's wrong with this team.

What's the source? Outsiders rating of 30th seems too much of a descrepancy from 16th...must be a glitch somewhere.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Is still not worse than the Seahawks especially when it comes to pass protection which is the point of contention here as so many of you have been blaming Kap's bad play on the total lack of protection. That line isn't perfect, but is no way as bad as Seattle's line and yet Russell Wilson does so much better than Kap under the circumstances.

Is Wilsons game not built for a bad line? He's probably the greatest scrambler of alltime. Should we expect Kap to get away from pressure the way Wilson does?

Yea, but you can't blame it on Wilson just because the guy can scramble and Kap can't. The point is other QBs have to make do or have in fact done far better than Kap with a bad or even worse O-line than Kap had to deal with.

So you're saying being the best scambler of alltime doesn't help get away from pressure?

No, that is NOT what I am saying. What I am saying is, it is Kap's tough sh*t that he can't scramble as well as Russell Wilson can. It is not Russell Wilson's fault that he can scramble better than Kap. Besides, there are more than one way of dealing with a bad O-line as a QB apart from scrambling, how about you get the ball out faster? Well, guess what? That is ALSO Kap's problem (that is on top of not being able to scramble as well as Russell Wilson) is that he doesn't know how to read the defense. He panicks, he doesn't have great pocket awareness, he can't go through progressions, etc, that is why he can't get the ball out fast before the pass rush gets to him. Hey case in the point, the infamous GIF from the Rams game, 2 WRs deliberately left unmarked, completely wide open and Kap didn't even look once, get the picture now?

Originally posted by ninersush:
Guys what cam is doing this year is what kap has done the past 3. Kap basically rode the coat tails of an amazing defense and run game. Sure he made some plays somewhere in there. But he was a medicore qb always. Just look at the beginning of the 2013 and 2014 years. We came out being passing offenses throwing and asking kap to take over. Our offense was absolutely miserable. We reverted to a running team and we did well again. I'm just looking at facts. They tell the story.

Yup. Cam also went into Seattle and won. Kap has never done that, not even close.