49ers Offensive Line

My man Jeff came through. Naturally, he couldn't quantify the difference between the Hoyer/BeatHard vs. Garropolo-effect on the OL regarding QB hits and pressures as that would be paid information via PFF but...


If anyone has access to the paid advanced stats, please post. It would be great to project for next season.

Another important factor is the play designs. Kyle knew we had a busted up Brown, filed through Gilliam, Magnuson and Beadles at RT and Tomlinson, Kilgore and Fusco were unleashing 116 QB hits through 16 games. I'm sure that affected the play designs regarding protections and scheming receivers quickly open for Garoppolo with a major teaching point to get rid of the ball under 2.5 seconds TBS.

Originally posted by NCommand:
My man Jeff came through. Naturally, he couldn't quantify the difference between the Hoyer/BeatHard vs. Garropolo-effect on the OL regarding QB hits and pressures as that would be paid information via PFF but...

Thanks! Hits and hurries also went down quite a bit with Garoppolo.

— Jeff Deeney (@PFF_Jeff) March 22, 2018

If anyone has access to the paid advanced stats, please post. It would be great to project for next season.

Another important factor is the play designs. Kyle knew we had a busted up Brown, filed through Gilliam, Magnuson and Beadles at RT and Tomlinson, Kilgore and Fusco were unleashing 116 QB hits through 16 games. I'm sure that affected the play designs regarding protections and scheming receivers quickly open for Garoppolo with a major teaching point to get rid of the ball under 2.5 seconds TBS.

One way to protect a QB from QB hits is to just call more runs. During the last 5 games, Hyde's carries took a noticeable up-tick, not by much, just a few carries, but Breida's carries almost doubled during those last 5 games. Breida, I would think, would be used more in passing downs vs Hyde. So that's a significant method to cut down on Jimmy's QB hits.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

My man Jeff came through. Naturally, he couldn't quantify the difference between the Hoyer/BeatHard vs. Garropolo-effect on the OL regarding QB hits and pressures as that would be paid information via PFF but...

Thanks! Hits and hurries also went down quite a bit with Garoppolo.

— Jeff Deeney (@PFF_Jeff) March 22, 2018

If anyone has access to the paid advanced stats, please post. It would be great to project for next season.

Another important factor is the play designs. Kyle knew we had a busted up Brown, filed through Gilliam, Magnuson and Beadles at RT and Tomlinson, Kilgore and Fusco were unleashing 116 QB hits through 16 games. I'm sure that affected the play designs regarding protections and scheming receivers quickly open for Garoppolo with a major teaching point to get rid of the ball under 2.5 seconds TBS.

One way to protect a QB from QB hits is to just call more runs. During the last 5 games, Hyde's carries took a noticeable up-tick, not by much, just a few carries, but Breida's carries almost doubled during those last 5 games. Breida, I would think, would be used more in passing downs vs Hyde. So that's a significant method to cut down on Jimmy's QB hits.

That's another excellent point. I noticed that with Breida. You note the difference in passing attempts between the two...runs.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:
My man Jeff came through. Naturally, he couldn't quantify the difference between the Hoyer/BeatHard vs. Garropolo-effect on the OL regarding QB hits and pressures as that would be paid information via PFF but...

Thanks! Hits and hurries also went down quite a bit with Garoppolo.

— Jeff Deeney (@PFF_Jeff) March 22, 2018

If anyone has access to the paid advanced stats, please post. It would be great to project for next season.

Another important factor is the play designs. Kyle knew we had a busted up Brown, filed through Gilliam, Magnuson and Beadles at RT and Tomlinson, Kilgore and Fusco were unleashing 116 QB hits through 16 games. I'm sure that affected the play designs regarding protections and scheming receivers quickly open for Garoppolo with a major teaching point to get rid of the ball under 2.5 seconds TBS.

One way to protect a QB from QB hits is to just call more runs. During the last 5 games, Hyde's carries took a noticeable up-tick, not by much, just a few carries, but Breida's carries almost doubled during those last 5 games. Breida, I would think, would be used more in passing downs vs Hyde. So that's a significant method to cut down on Jimmy's QB hits.

That's another excellent point. I noticed that with Breida. You note the difference in passing attempts between the two...runs.

That's why I'm kinda amused at all the hand wringing of our OLine play. "Oh no, we didn't sign a Hall of Fame Guard, Tackle, Center. Oh Doom! Trade Trent! Oh Gloom! Jimmy is going to be a Quadriplegic if he plays behind this OLine" The signing of McKinnon and Richburg go a very long way to preserving Jimmy's life.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:
My man Jeff came through. Naturally, he couldn't quantify the difference between the Hoyer/BeatHard vs. Garropolo-effect on the OL regarding QB hits and pressures as that would be paid information via PFF but...

Thanks! Hits and hurries also went down quite a bit with Garoppolo.

— Jeff Deeney (@PFF_Jeff) March 22, 2018

If anyone has access to the paid advanced stats, please post. It would be great to project for next season.

Another important factor is the play designs. Kyle knew we had a busted up Brown, filed through Gilliam, Magnuson and Beadles at RT and Tomlinson, Kilgore and Fusco were unleashing 116 QB hits through 16 games. I'm sure that affected the play designs regarding protections and scheming receivers quickly open for Garoppolo with a major teaching point to get rid of the ball under 2.5 seconds TBS.

One way to protect a QB from QB hits is to just call more runs. During the last 5 games, Hyde's carries took a noticeable up-tick, not by much, just a few carries, but Breida's carries almost doubled during those last 5 games. Breida, I would think, would be used more in passing downs vs Hyde. So that's a significant method to cut down on Jimmy's QB hits.

That's another excellent point. I noticed that with Breida. You note the difference in passing attempts between the two...runs.

That's why I'm kinda amused at all the hand wringing of our OLine play. "Oh no, we didn't sign a Hall of Fame Guard, Tackle, Center. Oh Doom! Trade Trent! Oh Gloom! Jimmy is going to be a Quadriplegic if he plays behind this OLine" The signing of McKinnon and Richburg go a very long way to preserving Jimmy's life.

Excellent!!

Originally posted by Giedi:

That's why I'm kinda amused at all the hand wringing of our OLine play. "Oh no, we didn't sign a Hall of Fame Guard, Tackle, Center. Oh Doom! Trade Trent! Oh Gloom! Jimmy is going to be a Quadriplegic if he plays behind this OLine" The signing of McKinnon and Richburg go a very long way to preserving Jimmy's life.

Yes...Richburg and McKinnon and Garropolo knowing much more of the offense with a full off season will go a long ways to helping the interior. We're still average and inconsistent at the two G positions but the good news is Cooper will have all off season to battle where's Fusco came in late and Tomlinson came in during the season --- and we'll certainly be adding to the talent pool for T and G via the draft.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's why I'm kinda amused at all the hand wringing of our OLine play. "Oh no, we didn't sign a Hall of Fame Guard, Tackle, Center. Oh Doom! Trade Trent! Oh Gloom! Jimmy is going to be a Quadriplegic if he plays behind this OLine" The signing of McKinnon and Richburg go a very long way to preserving Jimmy's life.

Yes...Richburg and McKinnon and Garropolo knowing much more of the offense with a full off season will go a long ways to helping the interior. We're still average and inconsistent at the two G positions but the good news is Cooper will have all off season to battle where's Fusco came in late and Tomlinson came in during the season --- and we'll certainly be adding to the talent pool for T and G via the draft.

totally agree ShanaLynch know that they'll be fired if they lose Jimmy to the injury bug. That's why I like who they are looking at in the draft. The guards and centers they are looking at, if they get one or two of them, and maybe some others in free agency look like perfect scheme fits for Kyle's offense.

Very Quick and mobile Guards with great agility will force multiply McKinnon's abilities (and maybe Joe Willams) or whoever RB they get in the draft. I think specifically against Wade Phillip's traditional 3-4 defense with the 3 two gapping D linemen, this offense will eat those defenses up. I know Kyle's outside ZBS philosophy really dials into Wade's inside out defensive philosophy. I can't wait to see Kyle carve up Wade's defenses to the tune of 400+ yards of offense.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

That's why I'm kinda amused at all the hand wringing of our OLine play. "Oh no, we didn't sign a Hall of Fame Guard, Tackle, Center. Oh Doom! Trade Trent! Oh Gloom! Jimmy is going to be a Quadriplegic if he plays behind this OLine" The signing of McKinnon and Richburg go a very long way to preserving Jimmy's life.

Yes...Richburg and McKinnon and Garropolo knowing much more of the offense with a full off season will go a long ways to helping the interior. We're still average and inconsistent at the two G positions but the good news is Cooper will have all off season to battle where's Fusco came in late and Tomlinson came in during the season --- and we'll certainly be adding to the talent pool for T and G via the draft.

totally agree ShanaLynch know that they'll be fired if they lose Jimmy to the injury bug. That's why I like who they are looking at in the draft. The guards and centers they are looking at, if they get one or two of them, and maybe some others in free agency look like perfect scheme fits for Kyle's offense.

Very Quick and mobile Guards with great agility will force multiply McKinnon's abilities (and maybe Joe Willams) or whoever RB they get in the draft. I think specifically against Wade Phillip's traditional 3-4 defense with the 3 two gapping D linemen, this offense will eat those defenses up. I know Kyle's outside ZBS philosophy really dials into Wade's inside out defensive philosophy. I can't wait to see Kyle carve up Wade's defenses to the tune of 400+ yards of offense.

The Rams are putting alot of their chips in Wade's basket on defense. What I'm interested in is will McVay keep the same momentum going from last year on offense? Sammy Watkins didn't have eye popping stats but they got away with using him as a decoy and it worked. Teams still respected what he "could" do. It kept the box an extra defender clean and allowed Gurley to run wild. This year without Watkins, I think they'll find running as successfully a bit more challenging.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Very Quick and mobile Guards with great agility will force multiply McKinnon's abilities (and maybe Joe Willams) or whoever RB they get in the draft. I think specifically against Wade Phillip's traditional 3-4 defense with the 3 two gapping D linemen, this offense will eat those defenses up. I know Kyle's outside ZBS philosophy really dials into Wade's inside out defensive philosophy. I can't wait to see Kyle carve up Wade's defenses to the tune of 400+ yards of offense.

I would be very interested in any further explanation of this that you might care to post. much more informative than the "hand-wringing" posts you refer to above. You appear to be looking at the forest, and are not just focused on the trees--on KS's vision for the offense, not just the plusses and/or minusses of any one o-lineman or another. good stuff, much appreciated.

OL and LB (if foster is suspended) are the 2 glaring weaknesses in this team.

Guard is our main priority, given that Garnett looks like a bust and we are solid at T and C.

We should come of this draft with 1 starting G and then Garnett, Tomlinson and Cooper fighiting for the other spot.

Originally posted by alwayssecond:

OL and LB (if foster is suspended) are the 2 glaring weaknesses in this team.

Guard is our main priority, given that Garnett looks like a bust and we are solid at T and C.

We should come of this draft with 1 starting G and then Garnett, Tomlinson and Cooper fighiting for the other spot.

Yup...I wish we could come away with a T too; who could train for a year.

I think Wynn and Williams are possible 1st round targets. From what I have seen Lynch and Shanahan are not afraid to draft players earlier than projected just to secure they are on the 49er roster. Wynn will be a pro bowler in at Guard and can play RT if needed. Williams can start at Guard and move to RT should we let Brown walk next year.

Originally posted by GORO:

I think Wynn and Williams are possible 1st round targets. From what I have seen Lynch and Shanahan are not afraid to draft players earlier than projected just to secure they are on the 49er roster. Wynn will be a pro bowler in at Guard and can play RT if needed. Williams can start at Guard and move to RT should we let Brown walk next year.

Big gap between 9 and 59. That's where all the great G's are going. So ideally, trade back in the first.

I like a slight move back with the Bills. Trade the number 9 for 12 and 65. We win the trade a little, but the Bills would probably get 1 of the 4 elite QB's. With 12 I would draft Edmunds, assuming he is there. In the 2nd round, that is where I would look to move up if a Guard or CB is falling that Shanahan and Lynch like. We could package our 2nd with some later round picks to move up 8-12 spots if need be, to get that falling guy. In the 3rd we would have 3 early picks (after the Bills trade) this is where I would look at someone like Crosby (Oregon) to be drafted and become our heir T who is a swing guy year 1, and then ready to become a starter year 2 if Brown leaves. The other 2 picks I would go BPA and hope we can find something of good value. Assuming we get a Guard in round 2, I would look at CB and perhaps WR.

Originally posted by Giedi:

One way to protect a QB from QB hits is to just call more runs. During the last 5 games, Hyde's carries took a noticeable up-tick, not by much, just a few carries, but Breida's carries almost doubled during those last 5 games. Breida, I would think, would be used more in passing downs vs Hyde. So that's a significant method to cut down on Jimmy's QB hits.

It's easy to run the ball when you're not down 14 at half. The increase in rushes is directly related to the Niners having leads in the 4th.