49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, that's exactly why "you need both." Once you think you have your FQB, whether Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jimmy Garoppolo or Brock Purdy, you protect and build around him. That's been a big fail under this regime. Even the off season, they went right back to the DL as their top priority.

"Build around Jimmy G."

Wouldn't really ever be my goal,...but if they never built around such an extremely average QB like Jimmy,...then how on Earth did they reach the SB win him?

You do know that only 2 teams are allowed to compete in the SB ever year, right?

I agree with building an OL for your FQB, but Jimmy wasn't that guy. You could've put 5 All Pros around him, and he would still throw it straight to a LBs hands. Hopefully they can start doing that for Brock now.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, that's exactly why "you need both." Once you think you have your FQB, whether Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jimmy Garoppolo or Brock Purdy, you protect and build around him. That's been a big fail under this regime. Even the off season, they went right back to the DL as their top priority.

"Build around Jimmy G."

Wouldn't really ever be my goal,...but if they never built around such an extremely average QB like Jimmy,...then how on Earth did they reach the SB win him?

You do know that only 2 teams are allowed to compete in the SB ever year, right?

I agree with building an OL for your FQB, but Jimmy wasn't that guy. You could've put 5 All Pros around him, and he would still throw it straight to a LBs hands. Hopefully they can start doing that for Brock now.

All of this. Anthony Munoz, John Hannah, Dwight Stephenson, etc couldn't save Jimmy from himself.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
All of this. Anthony Munoz, John Hannah, Dwight Stephenson, etc couldn't save Jimmy from himself.

Which is something a person who actually believes a franchise QB is necessary to win it all would understand.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, that's exactly why "you need both." Once you think you have your FQB, whether Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jimmy Garoppolo or Brock Purdy, you protect and build around him. That's been a big fail under this regime. Even the off season, they went right back to the DL as their top priority.

"Build around Jimmy G."

Wouldn't really ever be my goal,...but if they never built around such an extremely average QB like Jimmy,...then how on Earth did they reach the SB win him?

You do know that only 2 teams are allowed to compete in the SB ever year, right?

I agree with building an OL for your FQB, but Jimmy wasn't that guy. You could've put 5 All Pros around him, and he would still throw it straight to a LBs hands. Hopefully they can start doing that for Brock now.

FYI: I only noted Jimmy because the FO thought he was their franchise guy and paid him accordingly. That, and he was a classic drop back QB and those dudes, especially, need top pass protection to have a shot at winning a chip.

Now, did the FO learn from the Jimmy Garoppolo experience or will Brock get exposed to the exact same team building strategy?

Call me a bit worried after year 8 and free agency is over.

Still Faithful though...

Originally posted by NCommand:
FYI: I only noted Jimmy because the FO thought he was their franchise guy and paid him accordingly.

1) Doesn't paying him more give them less money to use elsewhere?

2) He's painfully average and always has been. How was he ever able to reach the Super Bowl if they didn't properly build around him?

Originally posted by random49er:
1) Doesn't paying him more give them less money to use elsewhere?

2) He's painfully average and always has been. How was he ever able to reach the Super Bowl if they didn't properly build around him?

Only reason he wasn't good enough is because they didn't build the OL around him. No other reason possible.

Course there's always also blame Kyle to excuse all Jimmy flaws. That's the other way some like to go

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by random49er:
1) Doesn't paying him more give them less money to use elsewhere?

2) He's painfully average and always has been. How was he ever able to reach the Super Bowl if they didn't properly build around him?

Only reason he wasn't good enough is because they didn't build the OL around him. No other reason possible.

Course there's always also blame Kyle to excuse all Jimmy flaws. That's the other way some like to go

Jimmy got hurt a lot so it was more than just the O line. He had his first serious injury stepping out of bounds when he slipped.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by random49er:
1) Doesn't paying him more give them less money to use elsewhere?

2) He's painfully average and always has been. How was he ever able to reach the Super Bowl if they didn't properly build around him?

Only reason he wasn't good enough is because they didn't build the OL around him. No other reason possible.

Course there's always also blame Kyle to excuse all Jimmy flaws. That's the other way some like to go

Jimmy got hurt a lot so it was more than just the O line. He had his first serious injury stepping out of bounds when he slipped.

And was originally chased out of the pocket on that play...from the right side of the line. Jimmy, as we learned, is simply a pocket passer, at best, and even more so after the injury.

Originally posted by NCommand:
And was originally chased out of the pocket on that play...from the right side of the line. Jimmy, as we learned, is simply a pocket passer, at best, and even more so after the injury.

Still doesn't explain how we got to the SB with the guy if we didn't build around him. Sounds like a contradiction,...no?

A pocket passer scrambling while being "chased out of the pocket" instead of simply getting rid of the ball as pocket passers do. I guess the identity crisis is the team's fault and not his, then, in your world. But the reality is we can probably add this to your growing list of contradictions.

Only in one's imagination did Jimmy ever "carry" this team anywhere,...lol. Putting him next to names like Montana, Purdy, and Young is laughable at best.

An ode to last year's "Tier 1" OLines...since only 49ers QBs ever get pursued by opposing defenses.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by random49er:
1) Doesn't paying him more give them less money to use elsewhere?

2) He's painfully average and always has been. How was he ever able to reach the Super Bowl if they didn't properly build around him?

Only reason he wasn't good enough is because they didn't build the OL around him. No other reason possible.

Course there's always also blame Kyle to excuse all Jimmy flaws. That's the other way some like to go

I'm this instance you can credit Kyle for Jimmy having any success after watching the raiders.

With Brock if they don't do something with the right side of the line, the 2023 participation Trophy is as high as we go with Kyle. Scary how every year we talk about it and nothing gets done. This is the last year wth this team. They should have over paid for Hunt. Cut someone else or trade Aiyuk. This line is not good enough.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by random49er:
1) Doesn't paying him more give them less money to use elsewhere?

2) He's painfully average and always has been. How was he ever able to reach the Super Bowl if they didn't properly build around him?

Only reason he wasn't good enough is because they didn't build the OL around him. No other reason possible.

Course there's always also blame Kyle to excuse all Jimmy flaws. That's the other way some like to go

I'm this instance you can credit Kyle for Jimmy having any success after watching the raiders.

With Brock if they don't do something with the right side of the line, the 2023 participation Trophy is as high as we go with Kyle. Scary how every year we talk about it and nothing gets done. This is the last year wth this team. They should have over paid for Hunt. Cut someone else or trade Aiyuk. This line is not good enough.

No, 1 person talks about it every year and places full blame on it while gloating when they lose, and a couple simps take it as gospel. . And lmfao to the bold. Wow

Originally posted by bassmanr:
I'm this instance you can credit Kyle for Jimmy having any success after watching the raiders.

With Brock if they don't do something with the right side of the line, the 2023 participation Trophy is as high as we go with Kyle.

Enough with the warnings,...let's flip it around: They weren't able to "address" it with 4th round picks and lower last year, and nearly won the SB. So what is your outlook in 2024 if they do "do something" with the right side of the OL?

Automatic SB victory?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
I'm this instance you can credit Kyle for Jimmy having any success after watching the raiders.

With Brock if they don't do something with the right side of the line, the 2023 participation Trophy is as high as we go with Kyle.

Enough with the warnings,...let's flip it around: They weren't able to "address" it with 4th round picks and lower last year, and nearly won the SB. So what is your outlook in 2024 if they do "do something" with the right side of the OL?

Automatic SB victory?

Nope but at least they have a shot...Purdy is not that tall and needs more time to throw so his passes do not get blocked or he has to scramble away from opposing defenders missing open receivers. If they don't fix it they may not even get to the NFCCG. It maybe too late but let's see.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by random49er:
1) Doesn't paying him more give them less money to use elsewhere?

2) He's painfully average and always has been. How was he ever able to reach the Super Bowl if they didn't properly build around him?

Only reason he wasn't good enough is because they didn't build the OL around him. No other reason possible.

Course there's always also blame Kyle to excuse all Jimmy flaws. That's the other way some like to go

I'm this instance you can credit Kyle for Jimmy having any success after watching the raiders.

With Brock if they don't do something with the right side of the line, the 2023 participation Trophy is as high as we go with Kyle. Scary how every year we talk about it and nothing gets done. This is the last year wth this team. They should have over paid for Hunt. Cut someone else or trade Aiyuk. This line is not good enough.

No, 1 person talks about it every year and places full blame on it while gloating when they lose, and a couple simps take it as gospel. . And lmfao to the bold. Wow

I don't know one person who gloats when they lose unless it's a teams fan that plays us or some troll for attention. Most of us that are pushing for better protection for Brock are serious fans and not just... they'll win because we want them too. We have seen open Ayuik or others and Purdy can't get enough time to find them. Be serious, it's not about being right about some point it's about winning a Superbowl.