49ers Offensive Line

I'll grit my teeth and rewatch in isolation but even Jaylon Moore looked horrendous at first glance. And it's too bad McKivitz didn't get any playing time. He needs it badly.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
There are 11 teams on this list because pff had LV and KC tied for 9th.



I can do another list based on pressure% if you all would like? But we have to stop basing our o line play on QB injuries as sacks do not equal injury. We also have to stop judging our o line based on the "eye test" unless of course you watch every snap of every offense every week during the NFL season. Otherwise you are judging them in a vacuum and not against their peers.

With that said, this would be the rankings based on sack%.

1) TB
2) KC
3) JAX
4) GB
5) LV
6) SF
7) CAR
8) PHI
9) BAL
10) CLE
11) ATL

For those who say all you need is an elite QB and the #1 o line and pass rush isn't as important. The GOAT with the #1 PBLK o line lost in the WC round to the #2 ranked pass rush.

I think you need elite play by both through the playoffs. Obviously that helps more if you already have the talent to hit that level when it matters. But we've seen less talented QB's and OL's get hot and win it all too.

It would be ideal to have all 3, no doubt. But that's very rare. And over the past 10 years, it seems the best combo is high end QB + OL > any other combo.

When you've got the talent, as we've seen personally, you have the ability to turn it on when it matters most. Unfortunately we were the opposite of that.

I don't think anybody would confuse our pass rush and unit PP playing at an elite level through the playoffs. How could they when you look at the injuries and talent level starting those games? That's why this is still a hot topic after 7 years.

We saw last night the differences in pressure. When we collapse in unit PP it's the entire unit and usually immediately given our QB no shot whatsoever. Well, no realistic shot anyhow.

Now, if we can get that kind of pressure on a consistent basis from our front 7, that's going to be critical to actually winning a Superbowl, IMHO. Hell like you said, if we get 2 out of the 3, you can pencil us in for #6 right now.

That means a lot is going to come down to Drake Jackson (or whomever) and Colton McKivitz and injuries/depth. How do you feel about our chances there?

I think looking at playoff rankings is a bit skewed. I stated in a previous post the pass rushes that KC and PHI faced during the playoffs. Would either o line have been ranked nearly as high if they faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced in the playoffs? The answer is I highly doubt it. Would the 49ers pass rush have been more affective against the eagles o line if they weren't forced to play 37 minutes of the game? I would argue that it would have. Imo, If the 49ers o line would have faced the pass rushes that the eagles and chiefs faced in the playoffs and the eagles/chiefs faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced, the 49ers o line would have been ranked higher than those two in playoff rankings.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
There are 11 teams on this list because pff had LV and KC tied for 9th.



I can do another list based on pressure% if you all would like? But we have to stop basing our o line play on QB injuries as sacks do not equal injury. We also have to stop judging our o line based on the "eye test" unless of course you watch every snap of every offense every week during the NFL season. Otherwise you are judging them in a vacuum and not against their peers.

With that said, this would be the rankings based on sack%.

1) TB
2) KC
3) JAX
4) GB
5) LV
6) SF
7) CAR
8) PHI
9) BAL
10) CLE
11) ATL

For those who say all you need is an elite QB and the #1 o line and pass rush isn't as important. The GOAT with the #1 PBLK o line lost in the WC round to the #2 ranked pass rush.

I think you need elite play by both through the playoffs. Obviously that helps more if you already have the talent to hit that level when it matters. But we've seen less talented QB's and OL's get hot and win it all too.

It would be ideal to have all 3, no doubt. But that's very rare. And over the past 10 years, it seems the best combo is high end QB + OL > any other combo.

When you've got the talent, as we've seen personally, you have the ability to turn it on when it matters most. Unfortunately we were the opposite of that.

I don't think anybody would confuse our pass rush and unit PP playing at an elite level through the playoffs. How could they when you look at the injuries and talent level starting those games? That's why this is still a hot topic after 7 years.

We saw last night the differences in pressure. When we collapse in unit PP it's the entire unit and usually immediately given our QB no shot whatsoever. Well, no realistic shot anyhow.

Now, if we can get that kind of pressure on a consistent basis from our front 7, that's going to be critical to actually winning a Superbowl, IMHO. Hell like you said, if we get 2 out of the 3, you can pencil us in for #6 right now.

That means a lot is going to come down to Drake Jackson (or whomever) and Colton McKivitz and injuries/depth. How do you feel about our chances there?

I think looking at playoff rankings is a bit skewed. I stated in a previous post the pass rushes that KC and PHI faced during the playoffs. Would either o line have been ranked nearly as high if they faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced in the playoffs? The answer is I highly doubt it. Would the 49ers pass rush have been more affective against the eagles o line if they weren't forced to play 37 minutes of the game? I would argue that it would have. Imo, If the 49ers o line would have faced the pass rushes that the eagles and chiefs faced in the playoffs and the eagles/chiefs faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced, the 49ers o line would have been ranked higher than those two in playoff rankings.

I fully agree. Your draw is very important in a small sample size of playoff games against the best competition. It's best to look at the full picture as best you can. Analytics can help. Leaning on the SME's. Putting it altogether.

I personally don't think the talent level we brought to the fight was Championship caliber compared to those who won and set the standard. The teams that won prioritized that standard where Kyle is still trying to coach around it to build up the roster elsewhere.

It doesn't mean we can't win one that way but it's not exactly giving you the best odds, IMHO.

The good news is that Purdy has really good escapability skills. Will definitely need them with this Oline.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'll grit my teeth and rewatch in isolation but even Jaylon Moore looked horrendous at first glance. And it's too bad McKivitz didn't get any playing time. He needs it badly.

All of this.

Here are the pressure stats for the top pass blocking units in the NFL in 2022.



Now if we rearrange the rankings based on pressure % like I did with sack% it would look like this.

1) TB
2) GB
3) CAR
4) JAX
5) SF
6) PHI
7) KC
8) ATL
9) BAL
10) CLE
11) LV

So in both pressure% and sack%, the 49ers o line were in the top 5 last season.

Context matters and the sample size in the playoffs alone is not large enough to take the rankings with any seriousness. Especially when you have the 49ers o line facing the #1 & #2 pass rushes while the two SB teams faced around the #10 and #20 pass rushes in the playoffs. It is just not an apples to apples comparison for the o lines in the playoffs.

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
The good news is that Purdy has really good escapability skills. Will definitely need them with this Oline.

You do realize that the starters recieved zero snaps on the o line yesterday, right?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
There are 11 teams on this list because pff had LV and KC tied for 9th.



I can do another list based on pressure% if you all would like? But we have to stop basing our o line play on QB injuries as sacks do not equal injury. We also have to stop judging our o line based on the "eye test" unless of course you watch every snap of every offense every week during the NFL season. Otherwise you are judging them in a vacuum and not against their peers.

With that said, this would be the rankings based on sack%.

1) TB
2) KC
3) JAX
4) GB
5) LV
6) SF
7) CAR
8) PHI
9) BAL
10) CLE
11) ATL

For those who say all you need is an elite QB and the #1 o line and pass rush isn't as important. The GOAT with the #1 PBLK o line lost in the WC round to the #2 ranked pass rush.

I think you need elite play by both through the playoffs. Obviously that helps more if you already have the talent to hit that level when it matters. But we've seen less talented QB's and OL's get hot and win it all too.

It would be ideal to have all 3, no doubt. But that's very rare. And over the past 10 years, it seems the best combo is high end QB + OL > any other combo.

When you've got the talent, as we've seen personally, you have the ability to turn it on when it matters most. Unfortunately we were the opposite of that.

I don't think anybody would confuse our pass rush and unit PP playing at an elite level through the playoffs. How could they when you look at the injuries and talent level starting those games? That's why this is still a hot topic after 7 years.

We saw last night the differences in pressure. When we collapse in unit PP it's the entire unit and usually immediately given our QB no shot whatsoever. Well, no realistic shot anyhow.

Now, if we can get that kind of pressure on a consistent basis from our front 7, that's going to be critical to actually winning a Superbowl, IMHO. Hell like you said, if we get 2 out of the 3, you can pencil us in for #6 right now.

That means a lot is going to come down to Drake Jackson (or whomever) and Colton McKivitz and injuries/depth. How do you feel about our chances there?

I think looking at playoff rankings is a bit skewed. I stated in a previous post the pass rushes that KC and PHI faced during the playoffs. Would either o line have been ranked nearly as high if they faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced in the playoffs? The answer is I highly doubt it. Would the 49ers pass rush have been more affective against the eagles o line if they weren't forced to play 37 minutes of the game? I would argue that it would have. Imo, If the 49ers o line would have faced the pass rushes that the eagles and chiefs faced in the playoffs and the eagles/chiefs faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced, the 49ers o line would have been ranked higher than those two in playoff rankings.

I fully agree. Your draw is very important in a small sample size of playoff games against the best competition. It's best to look at the full picture as best you can. Analytics can help. Leaning on the SME's. Putting it altogether.

I personally don't think the talent level we brought to the fight was Championship caliber compared to those who won and set the standard. The teams that won prioritized that standard where Kyle is still trying to coach around it to build up the roster elsewhere.

It doesn't mean we can't win one that way but it's not exactly giving you the best odds, IMHO.

We lost the NFCCG because of a freak injury that put us in a deep whole we were never going to be able to climb out of. That freak injury had zero to do with the o line.

Because I had my own football games to coach I had to watch the game from DVR.

THE O-LINE WAS ABSOLUTELY AWFUL

I'm not sure we can truly evaluate Trey Lance (but he looked bad too). He had no chance. The O-line got absolutely dominated on EVERY PLAY. I'm truly worried about the talent behind the starters.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
There are 11 teams on this list because pff had LV and KC tied for 9th.



I can do another list based on pressure% if you all would like? But we have to stop basing our o line play on QB injuries as sacks do not equal injury. We also have to stop judging our o line based on the "eye test" unless of course you watch every snap of every offense every week during the NFL season. Otherwise you are judging them in a vacuum and not against their peers.

With that said, this would be the rankings based on sack%.

1) TB
2) KC
3) JAX
4) GB
5) LV
6) SF
7) CAR
8) PHI
9) BAL
10) CLE
11) ATL

For those who say all you need is an elite QB and the #1 o line and pass rush isn't as important. The GOAT with the #1 PBLK o line lost in the WC round to the #2 ranked pass rush.

I think you need elite play by both through the playoffs. Obviously that helps more if you already have the talent to hit that level when it matters. But we've seen less talented QB's and OL's get hot and win it all too.

It would be ideal to have all 3, no doubt. But that's very rare. And over the past 10 years, it seems the best combo is high end QB + OL > any other combo.

When you've got the talent, as we've seen personally, you have the ability to turn it on when it matters most. Unfortunately we were the opposite of that.

I don't think anybody would confuse our pass rush and unit PP playing at an elite level through the playoffs. How could they when you look at the injuries and talent level starting those games? That's why this is still a hot topic after 7 years.

We saw last night the differences in pressure. When we collapse in unit PP it's the entire unit and usually immediately given our QB no shot whatsoever. Well, no realistic shot anyhow.

Now, if we can get that kind of pressure on a consistent basis from our front 7, that's going to be critical to actually winning a Superbowl, IMHO. Hell like you said, if we get 2 out of the 3, you can pencil us in for #6 right now.

That means a lot is going to come down to Drake Jackson (or whomever) and Colton McKivitz and injuries/depth. How do you feel about our chances there?

I think looking at playoff rankings is a bit skewed. I stated in a previous post the pass rushes that KC and PHI faced during the playoffs. Would either o line have been ranked nearly as high if they faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced in the playoffs? The answer is I highly doubt it. Would the 49ers pass rush have been more affective against the eagles o line if they weren't forced to play 37 minutes of the game? I would argue that it would have. Imo, If the 49ers o line would have faced the pass rushes that the eagles and chiefs faced in the playoffs and the eagles/chiefs faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced, the 49ers o line would have been ranked higher than those two in playoff rankings.

I fully agree. Your draw is very important in a small sample size of playoff games against the best competition. It's best to look at the full picture as best you can. Analytics can help. Leaning on the SME's. Putting it altogether.

I personally don't think the talent level we brought to the fight was Championship caliber compared to those who won and set the standard. The teams that won prioritized that standard where Kyle is still trying to coach around it to build up the roster elsewhere.

It doesn't mean we can't win one that way but it's not exactly giving you the best odds, IMHO.

We lost the NFCCG because of a freak injury that put us in a deep whole we were never going to be able to climb out of. That freak injury had zero to do with the o line.

Take your pick in any year. The OL has struggled staying healthy esp. heading into the playoffs. That's why I always say THIS team needs to be at least 7 deep in talent. Those resources have gone to the DL instead.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
There are 11 teams on this list because pff had LV and KC tied for 9th.



I can do another list based on pressure% if you all would like? But we have to stop basing our o line play on QB injuries as sacks do not equal injury. We also have to stop judging our o line based on the "eye test" unless of course you watch every snap of every offense every week during the NFL season. Otherwise you are judging them in a vacuum and not against their peers.

With that said, this would be the rankings based on sack%.

1) TB
2) KC
3) JAX
4) GB
5) LV
6) SF
7) CAR
8) PHI
9) BAL
10) CLE
11) ATL

For those who say all you need is an elite QB and the #1 o line and pass rush isn't as important. The GOAT with the #1 PBLK o line lost in the WC round to the #2 ranked pass rush.

I think you need elite play by both through the playoffs. Obviously that helps more if you already have the talent to hit that level when it matters. But we've seen less talented QB's and OL's get hot and win it all too.

It would be ideal to have all 3, no doubt. But that's very rare. And over the past 10 years, it seems the best combo is high end QB + OL > any other combo.

When you've got the talent, as we've seen personally, you have the ability to turn it on when it matters most. Unfortunately we were the opposite of that.

I don't think anybody would confuse our pass rush and unit PP playing at an elite level through the playoffs. How could they when you look at the injuries and talent level starting those games? That's why this is still a hot topic after 7 years.

We saw last night the differences in pressure. When we collapse in unit PP it's the entire unit and usually immediately given our QB no shot whatsoever. Well, no realistic shot anyhow.

Now, if we can get that kind of pressure on a consistent basis from our front 7, that's going to be critical to actually winning a Superbowl, IMHO. Hell like you said, if we get 2 out of the 3, you can pencil us in for #6 right now.

That means a lot is going to come down to Drake Jackson (or whomever) and Colton McKivitz and injuries/depth. How do you feel about our chances there?

I think looking at playoff rankings is a bit skewed. I stated in a previous post the pass rushes that KC and PHI faced during the playoffs. Would either o line have been ranked nearly as high if they faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced in the playoffs? The answer is I highly doubt it. Would the 49ers pass rush have been more affective against the eagles o line if they weren't forced to play 37 minutes of the game? I would argue that it would have. Imo, If the 49ers o line would have faced the pass rushes that the eagles and chiefs faced in the playoffs and the eagles/chiefs faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced, the 49ers o line would have been ranked higher than those two in playoff rankings.

I fully agree. Your draw is very important in a small sample size of playoff games against the best competition. It's best to look at the full picture as best you can. Analytics can help. Leaning on the SME's. Putting it altogether.

I personally don't think the talent level we brought to the fight was Championship caliber compared to those who won and set the standard. The teams that won prioritized that standard where Kyle is still trying to coach around it to build up the roster elsewhere.

It doesn't mean we can't win one that way but it's not exactly giving you the best odds, IMHO.

We lost the NFCCG because of a freak injury that put us in a deep whole we were never going to be able to climb out of. That freak injury had zero to do with the o line.

Take your pick in any year. The OL has struggled staying healthy esp. heading into the playoffs. That's why I always say THIS team needs to be at least 7 deep in talent. Those resources have gone to the DL instead.

Which one of our o lineman were injured in the 2022 playoffs?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
There are 11 teams on this list because pff had LV and KC tied for 9th.



I can do another list based on pressure% if you all would like? But we have to stop basing our o line play on QB injuries as sacks do not equal injury. We also have to stop judging our o line based on the "eye test" unless of course you watch every snap of every offense every week during the NFL season. Otherwise you are judging them in a vacuum and not against their peers.

With that said, this would be the rankings based on sack%.

1) TB
2) KC
3) JAX
4) GB
5) LV
6) SF
7) CAR
8) PHI
9) BAL
10) CLE
11) ATL

For those who say all you need is an elite QB and the #1 o line and pass rush isn't as important. The GOAT with the #1 PBLK o line lost in the WC round to the #2 ranked pass rush.

I think you need elite play by both through the playoffs. Obviously that helps more if you already have the talent to hit that level when it matters. But we've seen less talented QB's and OL's get hot and win it all too.

It would be ideal to have all 3, no doubt. But that's very rare. And over the past 10 years, it seems the best combo is high end QB + OL > any other combo.

When you've got the talent, as we've seen personally, you have the ability to turn it on when it matters most. Unfortunately we were the opposite of that.

I don't think anybody would confuse our pass rush and unit PP playing at an elite level through the playoffs. How could they when you look at the injuries and talent level starting those games? That's why this is still a hot topic after 7 years.

We saw last night the differences in pressure. When we collapse in unit PP it's the entire unit and usually immediately given our QB no shot whatsoever. Well, no realistic shot anyhow.

Now, if we can get that kind of pressure on a consistent basis from our front 7, that's going to be critical to actually winning a Superbowl, IMHO. Hell like you said, if we get 2 out of the 3, you can pencil us in for #6 right now.

That means a lot is going to come down to Drake Jackson (or whomever) and Colton McKivitz and injuries/depth. How do you feel about our chances there?

I think looking at playoff rankings is a bit skewed. I stated in a previous post the pass rushes that KC and PHI faced during the playoffs. Would either o line have been ranked nearly as high if they faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced in the playoffs? The answer is I highly doubt it. Would the 49ers pass rush have been more affective against the eagles o line if they weren't forced to play 37 minutes of the game? I would argue that it would have. Imo, If the 49ers o line would have faced the pass rushes that the eagles and chiefs faced in the playoffs and the eagles/chiefs faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced, the 49ers o line would have been ranked higher than those two in playoff rankings.

I fully agree. Your draw is very important in a small sample size of playoff games against the best competition. It's best to look at the full picture as best you can. Analytics can help. Leaning on the SME's. Putting it altogether.

I personally don't think the talent level we brought to the fight was Championship caliber compared to those who won and set the standard. The teams that won prioritized that standard where Kyle is still trying to coach around it to build up the roster elsewhere.

It doesn't mean we can't win one that way but it's not exactly giving you the best odds, IMHO.

We lost the NFCCG because of a freak injury that put us in a deep whole we were never going to be able to climb out of. That freak injury had zero to do with the o line.

Take your pick in any year. The OL has struggled staying healthy esp. heading into the playoffs. That's why I always say THIS team needs to be at least 7 deep in talent. Those resources have gone to the DL instead.

Which one of our o lineman were injured in the 2022 playoffs?

Last year was our first healthy year! I think that youth movement helped for sure. Hopefully that continues but I wouldn't count on it. We know Trent Williams will miss games annually. It's just a matter of when. 17 games. Deeper playoff runs. A lot is asked of these guys. Injuries are going to happen. They've already happened this off season...nothing too big though, fortunately.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
There are 11 teams on this list because pff had LV and KC tied for 9th.



I can do another list based on pressure% if you all would like? But we have to stop basing our o line play on QB injuries as sacks do not equal injury. We also have to stop judging our o line based on the "eye test" unless of course you watch every snap of every offense every week during the NFL season. Otherwise you are judging them in a vacuum and not against their peers.

With that said, this would be the rankings based on sack%.

1) TB
2) KC
3) JAX
4) GB
5) LV
6) SF
7) CAR
8) PHI
9) BAL
10) CLE
11) ATL

For those who say all you need is an elite QB and the #1 o line and pass rush isn't as important. The GOAT with the #1 PBLK o line lost in the WC round to the #2 ranked pass rush.

I think you need elite play by both through the playoffs. Obviously that helps more if you already have the talent to hit that level when it matters. But we've seen less talented QB's and OL's get hot and win it all too.

It would be ideal to have all 3, no doubt. But that's very rare. And over the past 10 years, it seems the best combo is high end QB + OL > any other combo.

When you've got the talent, as we've seen personally, you have the ability to turn it on when it matters most. Unfortunately we were the opposite of that.

I don't think anybody would confuse our pass rush and unit PP playing at an elite level through the playoffs. How could they when you look at the injuries and talent level starting those games? That's why this is still a hot topic after 7 years.

We saw last night the differences in pressure. When we collapse in unit PP it's the entire unit and usually immediately given our QB no shot whatsoever. Well, no realistic shot anyhow.

Now, if we can get that kind of pressure on a consistent basis from our front 7, that's going to be critical to actually winning a Superbowl, IMHO. Hell like you said, if we get 2 out of the 3, you can pencil us in for #6 right now.

That means a lot is going to come down to Drake Jackson (or whomever) and Colton McKivitz and injuries/depth. How do you feel about our chances there?

I think looking at playoff rankings is a bit skewed. I stated in a previous post the pass rushes that KC and PHI faced during the playoffs. Would either o line have been ranked nearly as high if they faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced in the playoffs? The answer is I highly doubt it. Would the 49ers pass rush have been more affective against the eagles o line if they weren't forced to play 37 minutes of the game? I would argue that it would have. Imo, If the 49ers o line would have faced the pass rushes that the eagles and chiefs faced in the playoffs and the eagles/chiefs faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced, the 49ers o line would have been ranked higher than those two in playoff rankings.

I fully agree. Your draw is very important in a small sample size of playoff games against the best competition. It's best to look at the full picture as best you can. Analytics can help. Leaning on the SME's. Putting it altogether.

I personally don't think the talent level we brought to the fight was Championship caliber compared to those who won and set the standard. The teams that won prioritized that standard where Kyle is still trying to coach around it to build up the roster elsewhere.

It doesn't mean we can't win one that way but it's not exactly giving you the best odds, IMHO.

We lost the NFCCG because of a freak injury that put us in a deep whole we were never going to be able to climb out of. That freak injury had zero to do with the o line.

Take your pick in any year. The OL has struggled staying healthy esp. heading into the playoffs. That's why I always say THIS team needs to be at least 7 deep in talent. Those resources have gone to the DL instead.

Which one of our o lineman were injured in the 2022 playoffs?

Last year was our first healthy year! I think that youth movement helped for sure. Hopefully that continues but I wouldn't count on it. We know Trent Williams will miss games annually. It's just a matter of when. 17 games. Deeper playoff runs. A lot is asked of these guys. Injuries are going to happen. They've already happened this off season...nothing too big though, fortunately.

I think your expectations for the o line as far as depth do not fit in line with the rest of the NFL. I bet every single team in the NFL wish they had starters waiting on the bench to fill in when needed. The reality is that there just aren't enough quality o lineman for teams to have an excess of them. Not like there are with DL. We are constantly bringing in ex 1st rounders on the D line. We get above average production out of them and they go get paid somewhere else. That is not possible with O lineman in the modern NFL.

As far as injuries. Take any o line out there and replace two of their starters with backups and that o line's efficiency will fall off and are most likely not winning a SB.

Perhaps in hindsight, we could have invested more 1st round picks on the o line. We could have used the 3x 1st's we used on Trey to draft all o lineman. But I can understand the decision to draft a QB early in the first round. Its not often a talented roster/top 5 coaching staff has the opportunity to pick in the top 5.

However, we bring in a new wave of o lineman every off season whether through the draft (Banks and Burford), through free agency (Brendel) or trade (Williams). We keep the best of each crop. Our 3 interior o linemam played a significant role in our top 5 pass blocking unit last season. Demonstrated by the efficiency stats I provided earlier this morning. The run blocking didn't rank as high as the pass blocking last season. At least not until we acquired CMC anyway. So who is to say that the lesser ranking in run blocking wasn't due to the RB's more than the o line?

Much of the concern in August 2022 revolved around the ??? marks surrounding the interior line. While they were up and down throughout the season, I never once thought the lows were all that low. But the highs were enough to make them a top 10 unit. As far as I am concerned with this season is the ? mark around McKivitz. Could he be any worse than McGlinchey in pass pro? If McKivitz plays at or above McGlinchey's 2022 level this season, I have a hard time seeing this o line taking a step back.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
There are 11 teams on this list because pff had LV and KC tied for 9th.



I can do another list based on pressure% if you all would like? But we have to stop basing our o line play on QB injuries as sacks do not equal injury. We also have to stop judging our o line based on the "eye test" unless of course you watch every snap of every offense every week during the NFL season. Otherwise you are judging them in a vacuum and not against their peers.

With that said, this would be the rankings based on sack%.

1) TB
2) KC
3) JAX
4) GB
5) LV
6) SF
7) CAR
8) PHI
9) BAL
10) CLE
11) ATL

For those who say all you need is an elite QB and the #1 o line and pass rush isn't as important. The GOAT with the #1 PBLK o line lost in the WC round to the #2 ranked pass rush.

I think you need elite play by both through the playoffs. Obviously that helps more if you already have the talent to hit that level when it matters. But we've seen less talented QB's and OL's get hot and win it all too.

It would be ideal to have all 3, no doubt. But that's very rare. And over the past 10 years, it seems the best combo is high end QB + OL > any other combo.

When you've got the talent, as we've seen personally, you have the ability to turn it on when it matters most. Unfortunately we were the opposite of that.

I don't think anybody would confuse our pass rush and unit PP playing at an elite level through the playoffs. How could they when you look at the injuries and talent level starting those games? That's why this is still a hot topic after 7 years.

We saw last night the differences in pressure. When we collapse in unit PP it's the entire unit and usually immediately given our QB no shot whatsoever. Well, no realistic shot anyhow.

Now, if we can get that kind of pressure on a consistent basis from our front 7, that's going to be critical to actually winning a Superbowl, IMHO. Hell like you said, if we get 2 out of the 3, you can pencil us in for #6 right now.

That means a lot is going to come down to Drake Jackson (or whomever) and Colton McKivitz and injuries/depth. How do you feel about our chances there?

I think looking at playoff rankings is a bit skewed. I stated in a previous post the pass rushes that KC and PHI faced during the playoffs. Would either o line have been ranked nearly as high if they faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced in the playoffs? The answer is I highly doubt it. Would the 49ers pass rush have been more affective against the eagles o line if they weren't forced to play 37 minutes of the game? I would argue that it would have. Imo, If the 49ers o line would have faced the pass rushes that the eagles and chiefs faced in the playoffs and the eagles/chiefs faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced, the 49ers o line would have been ranked higher than those two in playoff rankings.

I fully agree. Your draw is very important in a small sample size of playoff games against the best competition. It's best to look at the full picture as best you can. Analytics can help. Leaning on the SME's. Putting it altogether.

I personally don't think the talent level we brought to the fight was Championship caliber compared to those who won and set the standard. The teams that won prioritized that standard where Kyle is still trying to coach around it to build up the roster elsewhere.

It doesn't mean we can't win one that way but it's not exactly giving you the best odds, IMHO.

We lost the NFCCG because of a freak injury that put us in a deep whole we were never going to be able to climb out of. That freak injury had zero to do with the o line.

Take your pick in any year. The OL has struggled staying healthy esp. heading into the playoffs. That's why I always say THIS team needs to be at least 7 deep in talent. Those resources have gone to the DL instead.

Which one of our o lineman were injured in the 2022 playoffs?

Last year was our first healthy year! I think that youth movement helped for sure. Hopefully that continues but I wouldn't count on it. We know Trent Williams will miss games annually. It's just a matter of when. 17 games. Deeper playoff runs. A lot is asked of these guys. Injuries are going to happen. They've already happened this off season...nothing too big though, fortunately.

I think your expectations for the o line as far as depth do not fit in line with the rest of the NFL. I bet every single team in the NFL wish they had starters waiting on the bench to fill in when needed. The reality is that there just aren't enough quality o lineman for teams to have an excess of them. Not like there are with DL. We are constantly bringing in ex 1st rounders on the D line. We get above average production out of them and they go get paid somewhere else. That is not possible with O lineman in the modern NFL.

As far as injuries. Take any o line out there and replace two of their starters with backups and that o line's efficiency will fall off and are most likely not winning a SB.

Perhaps in hindsight, we could have invested more 1st round picks on the o line. We could have used the 3x 1st's we used on Trey to draft all o lineman. But I can understand the decision to draft a QB early in the first round. Its not often a talented roster/top 5 coaching staff has the opportunity to pick in the top 5.

However, we bring in a new wave of o lineman every off season whether through the draft (Banks and Burford), through free agency (Brendel) or trade (Williams). We keep the best of each crop. Our 3 interior o linemam played a significant role in our top 5 pass blocking unit last season. Demonstrated by the efficiency stats I provided earlier this morning. The run blocking didn't rank as high as the pass blocking last season. At least not until we acquired CMC anyway. So who is to say that the lesser ranking in run blocking wasn't due to the RB's more than the o line?

Much of the concern in August 2022 revolved around the ??? marks surrounding the interior line. While they were up and down throughout the season, I never once thought the lows were all that low. But the highs were enough to make them a top 10 unit. As far as I am concerned with this season is the ? mark around McKivitz. Could he be any worse than McGlinchey in pass pro? If McKivitz plays at or above McGlinchey's 2022 level this season, I have a hard time seeing this o line taking a step back.

Kind of. Many teams like the Eagles continue to add to their talent pool (like we do for the DL) no matter what so that when a guy goes down or moves on, it's next 'talented' man up. When ours went down we had Moore, McKivitz, Compton, Garland, Person, etc. That's fine for a game or two but these guys are getting curb stomped in the playoffs when it matters most.

How would you feel about our Superbowl chances this year if instead of adding Hargraves to a #1 defense, we added Orlando Brown to this current OL? Who's going to move the needle more?

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There are 11 teams on this list because pff had LV and KC tied for 9th.



I can do another list based on pressure% if you all would like? But we have to stop basing our o line play on QB injuries as sacks do not equal injury. We also have to stop judging our o line based on the "eye test" unless of course you watch every snap of every offense every week during the NFL season. Otherwise you are judging them in a vacuum and not against their peers.

With that said, this would be the rankings based on sack%.

1) TB
2) KC
3) JAX
4) GB
5) LV
6) SF
7) CAR
8) PHI
9) BAL
10) CLE
11) ATL

For those who say all you need is an elite QB and the #1 o line and pass rush isn't as important. The GOAT with the #1 PBLK o line lost in the WC round to the #2 ranked pass rush.

I think you need elite play by both through the playoffs. Obviously that helps more if you already have the talent to hit that level when it matters. But we've seen less talented QB's and OL's get hot and win it all too.

It would be ideal to have all 3, no doubt. But that's very rare. And over the past 10 years, it seems the best combo is high end QB + OL > any other combo.

When you've got the talent, as we've seen personally, you have the ability to turn it on when it matters most. Unfortunately we were the opposite of that.

I don't think anybody would confuse our pass rush and unit PP playing at an elite level through the playoffs. How could they when you look at the injuries and talent level starting those games? That's why this is still a hot topic after 7 years.

We saw last night the differences in pressure. When we collapse in unit PP it's the entire unit and usually immediately given our QB no shot whatsoever. Well, no realistic shot anyhow.

Now, if we can get that kind of pressure on a consistent basis from our front 7, that's going to be critical to actually winning a Superbowl, IMHO. Hell like you said, if we get 2 out of the 3, you can pencil us in for #6 right now.

That means a lot is going to come down to Drake Jackson (or whomever) and Colton McKivitz and injuries/depth. How do you feel about our chances there?

I think looking at playoff rankings is a bit skewed. I stated in a previous post the pass rushes that KC and PHI faced during the playoffs. Would either o line have been ranked nearly as high if they faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced in the playoffs? The answer is I highly doubt it. Would the 49ers pass rush have been more affective against the eagles o line if they weren't forced to play 37 minutes of the game? I would argue that it would have. Imo, If the 49ers o line would have faced the pass rushes that the eagles and chiefs faced in the playoffs and the eagles/chiefs faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced, the 49ers o line would have been ranked higher than those two in playoff rankings.

I fully agree. Your draw is very important in a small sample size of playoff games against the best competition. It's best to look at the full picture as best you can. Analytics can help. Leaning on the SME's. Putting it altogether.

I personally don't think the talent level we brought to the fight was Championship caliber compared to those who won and set the standard. The teams that won prioritized that standard where Kyle is still trying to coach around it to build up the roster elsewhere.

It doesn't mean we can't win one that way but it's not exactly giving you the best odds, IMHO.

We lost the NFCCG because of a freak injury that put us in a deep whole we were never going to be able to climb out of. That freak injury had zero to do with the o line.

Take your pick in any year. The OL has struggled staying healthy esp. heading into the playoffs. That's why I always say THIS team needs to be at least 7 deep in talent. Those resources have gone to the DL instead.

Which one of our o lineman were injured in the 2022 playoffs?

Last year was our first healthy year! I think that youth movement helped for sure. Hopefully that continues but I wouldn't count on it. We know Trent Williams will miss games annually. It's just a matter of when. 17 games. Deeper playoff runs. A lot is asked of these guys. Injuries are going to happen. They've already happened this off season...nothing too big though, fortunately.

I think your expectations for the o line as far as depth do not fit in line with the rest of the NFL. I bet every single team in the NFL wish they had starters waiting on the bench to fill in when needed. The reality is that there just aren't enough quality o lineman for teams to have an excess of them. Not like there are with DL. We are constantly bringing in ex 1st rounders on the D line. We get above average production out of them and they go get paid somewhere else. That is not possible with O lineman in the modern NFL.

As far as injuries. Take any o line out there and replace two of their starters with backups and that o line's efficiency will fall off and are most likely not winning a SB.

Perhaps in hindsight, we could have invested more 1st round picks on the o line. We could have used the 3x 1st's we used on Trey to draft all o lineman. But I can understand the decision to draft a QB early in the first round. Its not often a talented roster/top 5 coaching staff has the opportunity to pick in the top 5.

However, we bring in a new wave of o lineman every off season whether through the draft (Banks and Burford), through free agency (Brendel) or trade (Williams). We keep the best of each crop. Our 3 interior o linemam played a significant role in our top 5 pass blocking unit last season. Demonstrated by the efficiency stats I provided earlier this morning. The run blocking didn't rank as high as the pass blocking last season. At least not until we acquired CMC anyway. So who is to say that the lesser ranking in run blocking wasn't due to the RB's more than the o line?

Much of the concern in August 2022 revolved around the ??? marks surrounding the interior line. While they were up and down throughout the season, I never once thought the lows were all that low. But the highs were enough to make them a top 10 unit. As far as I am concerned with this season is the ? mark around McKivitz. Could he be any worse than McGlinchey in pass pro? If McKivitz plays at or above McGlinchey's 2022 level this season, I have a hard time seeing this o line taking a step back.

Kind of. Many teams like the Eagles continue to add to their talent pool (like we do for the DL) no matter what so that when a guy goes down or moves on, it's next 'talented' man up. When ours went down we had Moore, McKivitz, Compton, Garland, Person, etc. That's fine for a game or two but these guys are getting curb stomped in the playoffs when it matters most.

How would you feel about our Superbowl chances this year if instead of adding Hargraves to a #1 defense, we added Orlando Brown to this current OL?

and we wonder why in the clutch moments Aaron Donald and Chris Jones totally dominated our o line.