The Logan Zone - New San Francisco 49ers QB Coach

Originally posted by baltien:
Good article. I like Logan's "no nonsense" style. Although the line played like garbage last year, nobody would argue that Kap has a lot of room for improvement.

Maybe Logan's style will resonate with him.

Sidebar: a lot of the commenters in that article are morons. Intelligence doesn't mean one is able to perfectly retain and efficiently run an entire playbook that spans hundreds of pages.

I find the comments calling Kap "dumb" especially amusing because most of (if not all) those guys probably couldn't recall 20 plays from Madden if a millions bucks was on the line.

Yet a QB is "dumb" because he doesn't know the playbook cover to cover.

Give me a break.

Kap scored 37 on the Wonderlic before the combine and was a 4.0 student his entire school career I believe. I do not think it is intelligence.

It's also a Walsh concept that you need to master core plays before broadening out into the further depths of the playbook. Harbaugh/Roman went too deep into their playbook before Kaep had mastered the core plays.

How many years is it supposed to take a QB to master the core plays? I mean, he was here all 4 years of Harbaugh's tenure, so you'd think he would have a very advanced grasp of the offense by year 4.

Originally posted by 49ersOnMINE:
http://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Coaches-hope-shrinking-playbook-helps-Colin-6494676.php

Logan, however, thinks Kaepernick was too often executing plays he hadn't come close to mastering. He says it wasn't an issue of intelligence — he raves about Kaepernick's "football IQ" — but information overload. And Chryst would know: He spent the previous four seasons as the 49ers' quarterbacks coach.

I like logan a lot, i think he's the right QB coach for Kap.. this guy will make Kap's life a lot easier.

I just got excited reading that. Execution is the name of the game, just let the players play and put them in a position to succeed!

Originally posted by HayneInsane:
How many years is it supposed to take a QB to master the core plays? I mean, he was here all 4 years of Harbaugh's tenure, so you'd think he would have a very advanced grasp of the offense by year 4.

Well, we didn't have core plays. It was a hodge-podge offense. It wasn't like a pure WCO where year 1 you do X, Y & Z, and then year 2, you add additional levels of mastery, year 3, etc. Typically in a WCO, it takes 3-4 years to master completely. But that was not what we ran here or even worse, how it was taught.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by HayneInsane:
How many years is it supposed to take a QB to master the core plays? I mean, he was here all 4 years of Harbaugh's tenure, so you'd think he would have a very advanced grasp of the offense by year 4.

Well, we didn't have core plays. It was a hodge-podge offense. It wasn't like a pure WCO where year 1 you do X, Y & Z, and then year 2, you add additional levels of mastery, year 3, etc. Typically in a WCO, it takes 3-4 years to master completely. But that was not what we ran here or even worse, how it was taught.

This. If the playbook isn't being taught in a progressive manner, the QB isn't getting the foundation settled before the framework starts being built on top of it.

Gotta have the foundation solidify first. IIRC, there were reports that they didn't practice the foundation plays over-and-over to the degree that the old school successful SF teams did under Walsh/Seifert/Mariucci.

Originally posted by baltien:

Originally posted by 49ersOnMINE:
http://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Coaches-hope-shrinking-playbook-helps-Colin-6494676.php

Logan, however, thinks Kaepernick was too often executing plays he hadn't come close to mastering. He says it wasn't an issue of intelligence — he raves about Kaepernick's "football IQ" — but information overload. And Chryst would know: He spent the previous four seasons as the 49ers' quarterbacks coach.

I like logan a lot, i think he's the right QB coach for Kap.. this guy will make Kap's life a lot easier.

Good article. I like Logan's "no nonsense" style. Although the line played like garbage last year, nobody would argue that Kap has a lot of room for improvement.

Maybe Logan's style will resonate with him.

Sidebar: a lot of the commenters in that article are morons. Intelligence doesn't mean one is able to perfectly retain and efficiently run an entire playbook that spans hundreds of pages.

I find the comments calling Kap "dumb" especially amusing because most of (if not all) those guys probably couldn't recall 20 plays from Madden if a millions bucks was on the line.

Yet a QB is "dumb" because he doesn't know the playbook cover to cover.

Give me a break.

Agreed. It's not that Kap can't remember plays. It's that he can't master plays when the playbook is too big and too many concepts are being dialed up. I liked this quote:

"Coach Chryst might agree with me that it got way too spread out last year," Logan said. "And it got a little bit to where maybe Colin didn't know where that third read was. That was my feeling coming in here when I was visiting with Geep about how to move forward."

A QB can hear a play, recall it from memory, then picture it in his head, but in order to master it to the point that he is executing it instinctively, he needs to start with a handful first. If the 49ers are going to reduce the playbook, they better up the execution and formations/personnel packages.

Just the quotes alone tell you everything you need to know.

"I've had an extraordinary run of luck, for lack of a better word, getting to coach some extraordinary young men," Logan said. "And Colin is the next one. It's a tall order. And I take it real seriously. But it's a real gift as a teacher to get a student like this."

"Coach Chryst might agree with me that it got way too spread out last year," Logan said. "And it got a little bit to where maybe Colin didn't know where that third read was. That was my feeling coming in here when I was visiting with Geep about how to move forward."

"There's a lot of things this offense has to do," he said. "And it's expected of us."

"It's being able to execute the plays that are called and execute them more efficiently," Kaepernick said. "I think with our new offensive coordinator, with our new quarterback coach, we've cleaned a lot of things up and made it more comfortable and friendly for players to be able to go out and make plays."

"The thing that we've all been trying to do is keep the offense compact, where it's repetitive," Logan said. "We're changing the formation all the time, but we're presenting the same package of plays over and over and over.

"Rather than football's 101 best plays, we're trying to have football's best formations and packing it into an organized menu to where there's constant repetition."

"I've never mentioned it at all," Logan said. "I just think you can have too many cooks in the kitchen on a thing like that."

"Go out and be Kap. … Trust your skills, trust your athletic ability that you have, and just go for it." Said Logan: "Those are really wise words from Anquan Boldin."

"I think Colin might say there might have been some stuff that he wasn't really comfortable with last year," Logan said. "And I know he would tell you right now that he's really comfortable."

Originally posted by NCommand:
Just the quotes alone tell you everything you need to know.

"I've had an extraordinary run of luck, for lack of a better word, getting to coach some extraordinary young men," Logan said. "And Colin is the next one. It's a tall order. And I take it real seriously. But it's a real gift as a teacher to get a student like this."

"Coach Chryst might agree with me that it got way too spread out last year," Logan said. "And it got a little bit to where maybe Colin didn't know where that third read was. That was my feeling coming in here when I was visiting with Geep about how to move forward."

"There's a lot of things this offense has to do," he said. "And it's expected of us."

"It's being able to execute the plays that are called and execute them more efficiently," Kaepernick said. "I think with our new offensive coordinator, with our new quarterback coach, we've cleaned a lot of things up and made it more comfortable and friendly for players to be able to go out and make plays."

"The thing that we've all been trying to do is keep the offense compact, where it's repetitive," Logan said. "We're changing the formation all the time, but we're presenting the same package of plays over and over and over.

"Rather than football's 101 best plays, we're trying to have football's best formations and packing it into an organized menu to where there's constant repetition."

"I've never mentioned it at all," Logan said. "I just think you can have too many cooks in the kitchen on a thing like that."

"Go out and be Kap. … Trust your skills, trust your athletic ability that you have, and just go for it." Said Logan: "Those are really wise words from Anquan Boldin."

"I think Colin might say there might have been some stuff that he wasn't really comfortable with last year," Logan said. "And I know he would tell you right now that he's really comfortable."

we shall see come Monday night

Pretty sure Greg Roman also didn't know where the third read was on most plays.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Just the quotes alone tell you everything you need to know.

"I've had an extraordinary run of luck, for lack of a better word, getting to coach some extraordinary young men," Logan said. "And Colin is the next one. It's a tall order. And I take it real seriously. But it's a real gift as a teacher to get a student like this."

"Coach Chryst might agree with me that it got way too spread out last year," Logan said. "And it got a little bit to where maybe Colin didn't know where that third read was. That was my feeling coming in here when I was visiting with Geep about how to move forward."

"There's a lot of things this offense has to do," he said. "And it's expected of us."

"It's being able to execute the plays that are called and execute them more efficiently," Kaepernick said. "I think with our new offensive coordinator, with our new quarterback coach, we've cleaned a lot of things up and made it more comfortable and friendly for players to be able to go out and make plays."

"The thing that we've all been trying to do is keep the offense compact, where it's repetitive," Logan said. "We're changing the formation all the time, but we're presenting the same package of plays over and over and over.

"Rather than football's 101 best plays, we're trying to have football's best formations and packing it into an organized menu to where there's constant repetition."

"I've never mentioned it at all," Logan said. "I just think you can have too many cooks in the kitchen on a thing like that."

"Go out and be Kap. … Trust your skills, trust your athletic ability that you have, and just go for it." Said Logan: "Those are really wise words from Anquan Boldin."

"I think Colin might say there might have been some stuff that he wasn't really comfortable with last year," Logan said. "And I know he would tell you right now that he's really comfortable."

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Pretty sure Greg Roman also didn't know where the third read was on most plays.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by baltien:

Originally posted by 49ersOnMINE:

http://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Coaches-hope-shrinking-playbook-helps-Colin-6494676.php

Logan, however, thinks Kaepernick was too often executing plays he hadn't come close to mastering. He says it wasn't an issue of intelligence — he raves about Kaepernick's "football IQ" — but information overload. And Chryst would know: He spent the previous four seasons as the 49ers' quarterbacks coach.

I like logan a lot, i think he's the right QB coach for Kap.. this guy will make Kap's life a lot easier.

Good article. I like Logan's "no nonsense" style. Although the line played like garbage last year, nobody would argue that Kap has a lot of room for improvement.

Maybe Logan's style will resonate with him.

Sidebar: a lot of the commenters in that article are morons. Intelligence doesn't mean one is able to perfectly retain and efficiently run an entire playbook that spans hundreds of pages.

I find the comments calling Kap "dumb" especially amusing because most of (if not all) those guys probably couldn't recall 20 plays from Madden if a millions bucks was on the line.

Yet a QB is "dumb" because he doesn't know the playbook cover to cover.

Give me a break.

Agreed. It's not that Kap can't remember plays. It's that he can't master plays when the playbook is too big and too many concepts are being dialed up. I liked this quote:

"Coach Chryst might agree with me that it got way too spread out last year," Logan said. "And it got a little bit to where maybe Colin didn't know where that third read was. That was my feeling coming in here when I was visiting with Geep about how to move forward."

A QB can hear a play, recall it from memory, then picture it in his head, but in order to master it to the point that he is executing it instinctively, he needs to start with a handful first. If the 49ers are going to reduce the playbook, they better up the execution and formations/personnel packages.

I think this is a fantastic example and explanation of what went on last year. When the offense is introducing so many moving parts that the QB's starting losing track of the details of plays, that's a clue you've got too much going on. This would definitely explain the comments Chryst made early on about "streamlining" things on offense.

Seems like Chryst and Logan were able to determine that the playbook wasn't necessarily just too large or just too complex alone, but the level of variations and complexity COMBINED was over the top to the point where the players could not properly execute consistently and/or there was so much that it did not give the players ample time to practice and get enough repetitions in order to master. That would certainly explain the maddening inconsistency we saw.

I was one of the many screaming at CK wondering how he could miss certain things or not see the open man, but I think when the wheels are turning with that "information overload" I can admit it's easy to miss easy stuff that you normally wouldn't.

If the new system schematically does it's job (gets receivers open, attacks opponent weaknesses, etc) PLUS helps CK know his reads better and helps the team better execute, it's hard to imagine the offense performing worse than last season. I mean... we were 30th in passing, so...

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by baltien:

Originally posted by 49ersOnMINE:

http://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Coaches-hope-shrinking-playbook-helps-Colin-6494676.php

Logan, however, thinks Kaepernick was too often executing plays he hadn't come close to mastering. He says it wasn't an issue of intelligence — he raves about Kaepernick's "football IQ" — but information overload. And Chryst would know: He spent the previous four seasons as the 49ers' quarterbacks coach.

I like logan a lot, i think he's the right QB coach for Kap.. this guy will make Kap's life a lot easier.

Good article. I like Logan's "no nonsense" style. Although the line played like garbage last year, nobody would argue that Kap has a lot of room for improvement.

Maybe Logan's style will resonate with him.

Sidebar: a lot of the commenters in that article are morons. Intelligence doesn't mean one is able to perfectly retain and efficiently run an entire playbook that spans hundreds of pages.

I find the comments calling Kap "dumb" especially amusing because most of (if not all) those guys probably couldn't recall 20 plays from Madden if a millions bucks was on the line.

Yet a QB is "dumb" because he doesn't know the playbook cover to cover.

Give me a break.

Agreed. It's not that Kap can't remember plays. It's that he can't master plays when the playbook is too big and too many concepts are being dialed up. I liked this quote:

"Coach Chryst might agree with me that it got way too spread out last year," Logan said. "And it got a little bit to where maybe Colin didn't know where that third read was. That was my feeling coming in here when I was visiting with Geep about how to move forward."

A QB can hear a play, recall it from memory, then picture it in his head, but in order to master it to the point that he is executing it instinctively, he needs to start with a handful first. If the 49ers are going to reduce the playbook, they better up the execution and formations/personnel packages.

IMO, the best way for offensive football is to wrap about 5-6 key concepts in a s**t load of formations and master those concepts. Do less better, I do not like a system that's a jack of all master of none.

As mentioned earlier, once these concepts are mastered you then add more concepts or wrinkles with in your core concepts. There are so many great concepts out there the key for an offensive staff is to find which fit their personnel.

Tim Ryan (49ers radio color commentator) was doing some radio interview and he kept using the term "sister plays". Plays that compliment one another so that it may look the same to a defense at the start of the play, then it branches off to something else. The 49ers can apply this philosophy and make the few concepts they do run all compliment one another so that it keeps defenses guessing.