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thl408 · 2014-12-02T23:06:24-08:00

Since this game was played five days ago, I'm sure it's been talked about to death from nearly all angles. I'll just try to show the film and let others decide for themselves. Is it mainly the gameplan? The team's execution of the gameplan? The QB? The running game? SEA's defense? TLDR version: Things that sucked: - Kap's inaccuracy - Coaches gameplan of continuing to give the green light to deep throws while having 0 deep threats and a poor success rate (34%) - Coaches not working the RBs into the passing game when it was available. - JMart's run blocking Things that were good: - Red zone defense - Aldon - OAK is next It's very disappointing what I saw from Kap, the coaches, and the Oline. Each of those components played a part in the anemic showing on offense. What's surprising though, is that the Oline was the least of the bad. SEA has a good pass rush so I don't expect Kap to have much time. I do expect them to protect him enough where he can complete his dropback and in most of the cases, they did. Credit the SEA defense too as they knew and squatted on some routes when Kap went to his quick throws, which mainly consisted of curls over the short middle. Instead of the deep throws, I thought the areas to attack were the flats and intermediate middle. I had questioned why the 49ers kept attempting deep throws in the previous games when there was no deep threat on the roster. From NYG game: "There were a number of times where the 49ers went for the long bomb when it was completely unnecessary. Given that they have no speed threat WRs and VD is gimpy, there is no speed threat on the team except for Ellington who hasn't caught anything deep downfield." http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/180298-giants-coaches-film-analysis/page12/#post174 From WAS game: Often, WAS would load the box with 8 and play man coverage. This is a compliment to the run game and a disrespect to the passing game. Some of that could be on Kap, but I think a lot of it is on the WR corp's lack of a deep threat. WAS didn't feel the need to fear being beat deep. This is why the 49ers took some deep shots even with no deep threats... When the WRs were covered downfield - no surprise there - there were indeed options underneath to throw to. Kap instead, scrambled for minimal gains. If the deep option is not there, Kap needs to be fast with adjusting his eye level to the short routes. Whether this is on the coaching to drill it into his head or on Kap to do it because that would be the logical thing to do, it needs to be done. http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/180357-washington-redskins-coaches-film-analysis/#post15 Then after the SEA game, we all found out this (from many recent articles): Kaepernick has attempted 61 passes of 20 yards or more down the field (3rd most in NFL)...But Kaepernick has connected on just 34.4 percent of his pass attempts of 20 yards or more with four touchdowns and four interceptions. So for the third game in a row, I am puzzled why the 49ers continued to push the ball downfield with no legitimate deep threat. It's like a baseball player with warning track power that is swinging for the fences. It's like a basketall player with a mid range jumper that's chucking up 3 pointers. The 49ers are throwing away downs by attempting so many deep balls and this offense isn't good enough to throw away downs. On a number of dropbacks, SEA neglected to cover the RB out of the backfield. This is smart on their part because the 49ers don't use their RBs in the passing game. It is a shame that an offense that likes to 'do it all' in terms of 2TE power run game to 5 wide spread passing, can't get their RBs involved. This allowed the SEA LBs to play back, spy Kap, and cover passing lanes. On to Kap. The only thing SEA did differently from the last game they played was blitz more often. Other than that, it was cover3 and cover1. All night. This isn't hard to read post snap. What's hard is locating the correct route under the good pass rush and good coverage. On many dropbacks, Kap either failed to recognize the correct throw or made a bad throw. It did not seem that there were many designed throws in this game. I think I may have only counted one of the deep throws in the game as the correct throw. All the others were head scratchers. Since Kap and the passing offense is the big story of the week. I will try to cut up each of his dropbacks. At least up until the 4th Q because after that point in the game, who cares. This loss stung bad for me. The 49ers had all offseason to think about what they would do the next time they met SEA and the coaches came up with this gameplan? Kap put forth this performance? Disappointing on so many levels that I stayed away from posting until I had a better understanding of what happened. The focus for me will be on the passing game. The good news (?) is that OAK is next so at least we can renew bragging rights over those chumps across the bay.

Dec 4, 2014 at 5:57 PM

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Originally posted by thl408:
I may stop doing all the dropbacks unless anyone wants to see a particular play. The next time the 49ers get the ball it's 19-3 with 10 minutes left in the game. The 2nd INT was dumb and will just make you want to suplex your goldfish.

Here's a palette cleanser.

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Dec 4, 2014 at 5:57 PM

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Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Boone looks like a turd on the play

On a critical 3rd down too. Who knows how the game changes if the 49ers convert there. blah

Dec 4, 2014 at 6:00 PM

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Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Boone looks like a turd on the play

On a critical 3rd down too. Who knows how the game changes if the 49ers convert there. blah

IIRC, Boone also yells at Martin after the conclusion of the play b/c he tapped his outside left leg indicating he'd take the inside guy...while leaving Martin with 2?

Dec 4, 2014 at 6:02 PM

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Boone looks like a turd on the play

On a critical 3rd down too. Who knows how the game changes if the 49ers convert there. blah

IIRC, Boone also yells at Martin after the conclusion of the play b/c he tapped his outside left leg indicating he'd take the inside guy...while leaving Martin with 2?

Yup saw that convo after the play. JMartin had to do what he did though. Or else there's an unblocked edge rusher. It's Boone and MMartin who are holding hands doing nothing.

Dec 4, 2014 at 6:08 PM

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Originally posted by NCommand:
You know...there JUST might be an opening...

I know a little bit about football, but I would never claim to have the knowledge that Harbs and roman have. All criticism aside, but they really need some one in their ear telling them "hey, that throwback pass off of run action get 10-15 yards everytime", "can we please wear that s**t out". The beauty of that play is you can wrap it up any way you want and get whoever you want involved---I'm looking at you VD

Dec 4, 2014 at 6:09 PM

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Originally posted by thl408:
Yup saw that convo after the play. JMartin had to do what he did though. Or else there's an unblocked edge rusher. It's Boone and MMartin who are holding hands doing nothing.

It's just sad how our unquestioned strength has become such a liability.

Dec 4, 2014 at 6:11 PM

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Originally posted by thl408:
Dropback #27

1st & 10
49ers try to flood the left side of the field. Another play where it's a half field read as Boldin and VD do not figure into the play.

Kap completes a playfake and looks up to see this. Maxwell is running stride for stride with Crabs with a FS over the top. Miller is covered by Chancellor, a very lanky defender. Both of those routes (Crabs, Miller) pushes the zone defenders on that side of the field up the field. This earns Hyde some good space to work his route.

Kap targets Miller vs Chancellor. If Kap puts the ball at the yellow X, Hyde has room to make a play. Too aggressive with the throw. This is 1st down.

Incomplete pass.

This is up there for worst Kaepernick play this season imo. First, he misses Hyde who is wide open with running room. Instead, he targets BRUCE MILLER deep against Kam Chancellor! Who in their right mind thinks that's a good idea!? What makes it even worse is his god awful throw to the inside, giving Bruce no chance to catch it and putting it dangerously close to Chancellor. Awful decision and throw

Dec 4, 2014 at 6:12 PM

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Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Boone looks like a turd on the play

On a critical 3rd down too. Who knows how the game changes if the 49ers convert there. blah

IIRC, Boone also yells at Martin after the conclusion of the play b/c he tapped his outside left leg indicating he'd take the inside guy...while leaving Martin with 2?

Yup saw that convo after the play. JMartin had to do what he did though. Or else there's an unblocked edge rusher. It's Boone and MMartin who are holding hands doing nothing.

Agree. That one certainly wasn't on Martin there and that's an easy one to see.

Dec 4, 2014 at 6:14 PM

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Originally posted by LZRD_WZRD:
This is up there for worst Kaepernick play this season imo. First, he misses Hyde who is wide open with running room. Instead, he targets BRUCE MILLER deep against Kam Chancellor! Who in their right mind thinks that's a good idea!? What makes it even worse is his god awful throw to the inside, giving Bruce no chance to catch it and putting it dangerously close to Chancellor. Awful decision and throw

Miller even ends up playing DB rather well to BTW.

Dec 4, 2014 at 6:15 PM

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Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You know...there JUST might be an opening...

I know a little bit about football, but I would never claim to have the knowledge that Harbs and roman have. All criticism aside, but they really need some one in their ear telling them "hey, that throwback pass off of run action get 10-15 yards everytime", "can we please wear that s**t out". The beauty of that play is you can wrap it up any way you want and get whoever you want involved---I'm looking at you VD

It's like a dysfunctional relationship. It's much easier to see things from the outside....inside, that's a whole other story!

Dec 4, 2014 at 6:44 PM

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Originally posted by NCommand:
It's like a dysfunctional relationship. It's much easier to see things from the outside....inside, that's a whole other story!

It's just frustrating because there are some tweaks with in the offense that we currently run that could have huge benefits. I have little doubt that wearing out (as I call it) stuff we do well in the passing game(namely, throwbacks off of run action and spider y banana) we can find 30-40 more yards of offense and 2-3 more first downs. This could have a big impact on the overall offense and the perception of kap as a Qb.

How nice would that throwback off of run action look in goal to go situations.

Dec 4, 2014 at 6:56 PM

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Originally posted by thl408:
Dropback #2

Here's a designed throw (AR concept) that looks to get the RB involved.

49ers look to hit Gore on a RB circle route.
SEA: cover3

This is a designed throw because VD and Miller never look back for the ball. They run their "route" then target their block. Kap sees that Gore has been schemed open.

Notice Miller is already blocking. Gore gets both hands on the ball, but can't handle the pass. Incomplete.

(I know the players looks like ants. The Levi's stadium all22 operator loves to zoom wide. It gets everyone easily in view, but everyone is extra tiny)

What

Originally posted by thl408:
Dropback #2

Here's a designed throw (AR concept) that looks to get the RB involved.

49ers look to hit Gore on a RB circle route.
SEA: cover3

This is a designed throw because VD and Miller never look back for the ball. They run their "route" then target their block. Kap sees that Gore has been schemed open.

Notice Miller is already blocking. Gore gets both hands on the ball, but can't handle the pass. Incomplete.

(I know the players looks like ants. The Levi's stadium all22 operator loves to zoom wide. It gets everyone easily in view, but everyone is extra tiny)

What some may miss here is a play exposing Kaepernicks lack of proper touch. Which impacts the short game, especially down the middle when he has to throw over linemen.

I can't see the gif on my phone, the video won't load but I watched it a few times on regular recording. The fact Kap jumps at the line to get the ball over defenders and delivers a straight line pass may have something to do with Gores inability to catch the ball.

Rather than passing with arch, with a softer touch a 6-4 QB has to jump and throw a stright line pass in order to create a passing lane? Why?

Dec 4, 2014 at 7:00 PM

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Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:
It's like a dysfunctional relationship. It's much easier to see things from the outside....inside, that's a whole other story!

It's just frustrating because there are some tweaks with in the offense that we currently run that could have huge benefits. I have little doubt that wearing out (as I call it) stuff we do well in the passing game(namely, throwbacks off of run action and spider y banana) we can find 30-40 more yards of offense and 2-3 more first downs. This could have a big impact on the overall offense and the perception of kap as a Qb.

How nice would that throwback off of run action look in goal to go situations.

It's funny b/c somene just posted a 2012 video of CK's highlights and the very first two plays were a seam route to VD and a read-option keeper also, for a TD. Where have these plays been? Just like the roll-right, toss-back left, I've been begging for that one to come back and it's been ages since I've last seen it.

[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 4, 2014 at 7:02 PM ]

Dec 4, 2014 at 7:07 PM

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Originally posted by Phil:
What
What some may miss here is a play exposing Kaepernicks lack of proper touch. Which impacts the short game, especially down the middle when he has to throw over linemen.

I can't see the gif on my phone, the video won't load but I watched it a few times on regular recording. The fact Kap jumps at the line to get the ball over defenders and delivers a straight line pass may have something to do with Gores inability to catch the ball.

Rather than passing with arch, with a softer touch a 6-4 QB has to jump and throw a stright line pass in order to create a passing lane? Why?

Not positive but watching it live and rewatching it, it seems like it may have been tipped by a DL there? CK usually doesn't have too many issues with his short game when it's the primary call (like a drag route to VD, McDonald or Crabtree, swing pass to Gore, etc.). That said, these kinds of passes clearly are NOT part of the game plan (the focus). That said, if there was an added focus on these kids of passes, even as primary reads, I genuinely think he would become more effecient and accurate at them (it is an area he needs to work on). Like Montana, he could even learn that "where" he passes, he can actually lead the RB/FB/TE to the most open space and maximize YAC.

Dec 4, 2014 at 7:09 PM

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Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:
It's like a dysfunctional relationship. It's much easier to see things from the outside....inside, that's a whole other story!

It's just frustrating because there are some tweaks with in the offense that we currently run that could have huge benefits. I have little doubt that wearing out (as I call it) stuff we do well in the passing game(namely, throwbacks off of run action and spider y banana) we can find 30-40 more yards of offense and 2-3 more first downs. This could have a big impact on the overall offense and the perception of kap as a Qb.

How nice would that throwback off of run action look in goal to go situations.

You and I talked about this this past off season...JUST adding the check-downs and dump-offs, the short game as a primary read, TO the long ball and running game, we'd be unstoppable. This game somewhat illustrates how just making a small shift in focus...to the backs if the sideline go-routes aren't there...could have made all the difference. Basically, use the same game plan Seattle used against us. Simple. Effective. Enough.